I am so tired of this mantra that Obama is not winning anywhere it counts.

[Perky]

Caucuses do not matter. Red stare wins do not matter, Home states do not count.


Okay.
Missouri? Connecticut? Illinois? Delaware?

He will win five more this month.The Potomac's, Wisconsin and Hawaii.

You want to discount Home states that is fine,


On that basis you have to exclude Arkansas and New York From Hillary's column

You want to exclude Caucuses and red states...Oops.. there goes Nevada and Arizona and Oklahoma


So Hillary winds up with California, Massachusetts and New Jersey.And Obama has won three.

Flip it around.. Hillary has won one Caucus to Obama's 11. Hillary has won two red state primaries to Obama's four. Each has won three other contest excluding their home states.


Hillary wins that competition because she carpetbagged her way to New York. Ya done?

Obama will win three more this week and two more in the month of February none of which are red states, none of which are caucuses.

When that happens are you still going to continue with this line of reasoning.Ya done?

Obama does not create the methodology.. Does not select the state's demographics. He has competed everywhere and won and in fact he cleaning Hillary's clock in the South, In the plains and in the west....He is better organized, he is better funded. and the american voter likes him more.

[mzmolly]

1. It's an absurd talking point.

I agree. :hi:

[Bicoastal]

2. Ooh, that was a roundhouse punch! A little needlessly mean, but...

Ah, hell. K&R for you!

[sniffa]

3. I haven't seen any of that

But there's a reason for that. :D

[Skinner]

4. I haven't heard that. But I agree that it is dumb.

What counts is delegates. Period. End of story.

Doesn't matter where you get 'em. Just that you get 'em. And Obama is getting 'em.

[RichGirl]

10. That's true....

in primaries it doesn't matter if it's a red state or blue state. But in the general it's going to matter if too much of your support is in red states.

[TeamJordan23]

5. Don't forget swing state Colorado. nm

[BeatleBoot]

6. And in November..

An entirely different race.


Toe to Toe with McCain in Louisiana....in Georgia....in Arkansas....in Nebraska...in Florida...in Idaho...


The party is fucked.

[Laurab]

7. You do mean the republican party I hope?

I much prefer our chances with Obama against the insane McCain, than I do with Hillary. McCain doesn't stand a chance, IMO.

[RichGirl]

13. No...that would be our party.

Hillary could get Arkansas and can't be sure about Florida, but the others will go to McCain regardless of who we run.

I always like to hope that red states will turn blue, but I wouldn't bet on it.

[Laurab]

26. I think you're mistaken. Even the repukes don't like their candidates.

For Obama, they might sit home, if not perhaps even vote for him. Hillary, on the other hand would GOTV for the wrong party. If you don't see any states Obama can win, you haven't been paying attention.

[BeatleBoot]

14. No I don't. Sorry to say.

I don't see one southern state Obama can win.

The numbers aren't there.

http://www.cookpolitical.com/


Hillary has a chance at Arkansas.

But, other than that, Obama can't win one southern state.

And we need a southern state.

[Laurab]

27. Sorry, I'm not seeing that. As I said to the poster above

The repukes can't stand their candidate(s). For Obama, even if they won't cross over and vote for him, they might stay home. Hillary, on the other hand would GOTV for them like no one else.

If you're not seeing that we can win southern states, you're not paying attention. Obama is our best chance.

[RichGirl]

8. Well...it's true.

Here's a map.



Home states do count, if they are blue and Illinois is blue. Kansas is red, Missouri is red...as are Nebraska, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, Louisiana, etc. That's at least seven red states for Obama. And Virginia is red too. They haven't elected a democrat in over 45 years. Hillary has won less red states and she won the two most important blue states with the highest number of delegates, California and New York. (BTW...Hillary won NY because she's an excellent senator there. But, that's beside the point.)

It's like this: Obama won big in Georgia. But, Georgia has a lot more republicans in it than democrats. So the state will elect McCain in November. That's why it and other red states don't count. Hillary's red states don't count either.

Caucuses don't represent actual votes. If there is a tie and discussion on electability takes place, it will have to be considered that we don't know how many votes we get from caucas states and that we will most likely not get any red states.

[FlyingSquirrel]

12. There are actually a lot of swing states in this country..

Wondering why they aren't represented on that map.

[RichGirl]

15. Here's a pretty one....

[Hippo_Tron]

16. And Hillary is winning in mostly states that we will win automatically in November

Massachusetts, New York, and California aren't going to vote for McCain. And the dynamics of the race change completely when the party is united behind the nominee.

[XemaSab]

19. Electoral college calculator

http://www.grayraven.com/ec/

(fro estimating Hillary vs. Obama, first clear the states, then select states between Nader and teh Green party.)

[FlyingSquirrel]

20. I can HARDLY WAIT till the Electoral College becomes OBSOLETE!

http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/index.php

[FlyingSquirrel]

9. Is it a Mantra or is it a Meme?

Still can't tell the difference. ;)

[Dogmudgeon]

11. All elections count. And wishful thinking is death in politics.

Hillary's.

Obama's.

Anybody's

Obama is in a run of picking up a bunch of small states. He's still getting wins. It ain't just chopped liver!

--p!

[XemaSab]

17. Obama won San Francisco, Oakland, Sacramento, Santa Cruz, and Santa Barbara

:patriot:

[Redstone]

18. Thank you so much for your lofty declarations. It's nice to know that voters don't count,

since you've given us your pronouncement of what will be.

Redstone

[Perky]

Let's chat aout it arounf 7:30 Tuesday night when Obama is declared winner in all three primaries.

[Perky]

25. Let's chat aout it arounf 7:30 Tuesday night when Obama is declared winner in all three primaries.

[donheld]

21. Oh give it a rest, let'em sqwack

It's all they have. Losing there grip on these elections/caucuses is hard on them. They have to hold onto the hope they will win TX, OH, PA etc. Otherwise they'll know there candidate is done for.

[EffieBlack]

22. Isn't it funny how the goalposts keep moving?

"White voters won't vote for him."

Then came Iowa.

"Well, that was only a caucus, so that didn't count - let's see how he does in a real primary."

South Carolina

"Well, he only won because black people voted for him. Let's see how he does in the heartland."

Missouri, North Dakota, Nebraska, Minnesota, Idaho, Kansas, Colorado

"Sure, he won those states. But he's not getting the Hispanic vote."

[AtomicKitten]

23. If winning everywhere doesn't count, somebody better check their math.

[smalll]

24. Missouri was very close, Connecticut is rich "Gold Coast" Latte Liberals, Illinois' the home state -

Delaware? 21% black.

Start winning big state priamaries (not caucuses,) and not just one at a time, and it will start counting.

[cloudythescribbler]

28. And Democrats in those red states know what poison HRC is downticket nt

[ShadowLiberal]

29. Wins anywhere matter now, it's all about momentum now

Iowa and New Hampshire aren't big states, but they're regarded as extremely important since they give candidates the big momentum or kill their momentum. Since we have just a few states voting each day we have a state vote now a win in them matters. If you lose 15 states in a row people will start saying "you know what, you're finished".