Dems Beware! While the Kerry Party Reigns on DU Voter Turnout disappears!

[KoKo]

All this news about Dem voter turnout after "Super Tuesday" being very low, is not the sign of an "energized party." It's more the sign of a Party who decided and is comfortable with the decision.

BUT!

We better worry about this in November, because if it looks like a Kerry landslide, Dems may well not make the effort to go to the polls figuring it's a "Done Deal/TV Event."

So all this talk about "ABB support Kerry" could work against us by making our voting Dems complacent. My worry is that,the energy for turning out Dem vote, died with the "Frontloaded Primaries." Why else would the turnout be so light?

And,if we Dems stay home, comfortable that Kerry is going to win overwhelmingly, who is the BEST at getting out their vote?

Need I ask: Fill in the blank____________!


The energy for "turning out Dem vote," Died with the "Frontloaded Primaries." We need to find a way to recapture it or we could be "blindsided by the Right."

The Repugs will use this against us. How do we know they aren't fixing the polls. After all when Chimp was riding high that's what folks here, myself included, thought?

We must keep our Democratic Voters Energized.....but how?

[David Dunham]

1. They're energized against Bush. Yesterday's primaries just didn't matter.

[progressive dem]

55. People want more to hope for, not just to hate Bush

People want someone that offers hope. Edwards is the positive, energized, candidate that can bring in the disenfranchised who are fed up with all of the negativity of old school politics.

[newyawker99]

61. Hi progressive dem!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[goobergunch]

72. We'll see what happens in Illinois tomorrow

There's an important Senate primary there.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

2. Dems understand the difference between the primaries and the GE

The primaries were over on Super Tuesday, so no compelling reason to vote.

Getting Bush out of office will be plenty of incentive. Democratic turnout will be huge.

[goobergunch]

74. See post #72 (n/t)

[sandnsea]

3. By not being henny pennies

By having some pride and courage. By getting excited about the possibilities of a Kerry Presidency. Energy independence. International respect and cooperation. Health care for every American. 2 years service, 4 years college. Lots of things to get excited about. Don't react to every stupid thing the media says and just keep our eye on the prize.

[pinto]

4. heard Texas had record turnouts, but that aside, I hold with the maxim:

all elections are local. we need Democratic office holders at the State and local levels to be vocal and effective in their support of the party's ticket.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

41. I live in Texas

And believe me, there was no record turnout.

[Chelzek]

71. Haha that's funny

I live in Texas - my precint with hundreds of people had 11 people come to vote. Record turn out I tell ya.

[The Magistrate]

5. This Is Mere Croaking And Grouse, Sir

The primary contest is over, and so persons do not much bother.

The Party's candidate is high in the polls, receives good attendance at his rallies, is striking hard at the enemy and drawing blood. The rank and file of the Party is filled with a cold resolve to see the criminals of the '00 Coup evicted from office, and will see to it that is done come Doomsday in November. There is no need for worry, and surely no need to try one more weary time to ignite previous squabbles here: what there is a need for is concentrated attack on the lying reptiles in usurped office, for seconding and cheering on the attacks by our candidate, and for demolishing the attempts by the wriggling foe to blind the people to the facts of their malfeasance and criminality.

"Desperate men do desperate things, and stupid men do stupid things. We ae in for a desperately stupid summer."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[bassguitarman]

6. How to convince people to vote democratic

I really need some opinions here. I know a couple of people who if the candidate is not Kucinich are either going to vote for Nader or not vote at all. I feel that Bu$h needs to go period !!! and while Kerry is not my first choice, he is a choice I can live with. I say a vote for nobody or a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush. Sometimes you have to make a stand for your priciples but I really don't think this is the election for it. Any thoughts??

[sangh0]

7. Dpn't waste your time

trying to convince someone who has already made up their mind. Your time is better spent talking to strangers.

[bassguitarman]

9. I would but..

They are members of my peace group.. Both liberals and are influencing others..I hate to give up on them, It might be the best thing to do but we need to be united. They make Kerry out to be some kind of monster, on the same level with Shrub and crew..still I hate to give up on them with out a fight.

[sangh0]

20. I sympathize with you

I'm in a similar situation. Some of my less politically aware friends are influenced by my arguments, but those who are self-motivated when it comes to politics are rarely persuaded to change their mind. It sounds like these people, as members of a peace group, are pretty well motivated and aware. It sounds like they have a good idea of what they want, so IMO it's going to be that much harder to convince them.

And I know how you feel. It would be great to get some more passionate and politically-involved people involved in *your* issue/candidate/etc. Unfortunately, those are some of the most difficult people to persuade.

[KoKo]

36. Bass, where did my post make out Kerry to be some kind of Monster?

Please quote where I said that! This post was, how do we get our "base energized" to come out in November, if the Polls show Kerry is in the Lead? What if Dems figure he will be elected so I don't have to show up?

Then what happens to any Dem Congresspersons who might need his coat-tails for election? And what if a low turnout puts the Chimp back in because we were complacent?

[sangh0]

39. Do you have a persecution complex?

When I referred to "strangers" you thought I was talking about you.

Noe bassman talks about *HIS FRIENDS* who make Kerry out to be a monster, and again, you think someone is referring to you?

[KoKo]

10. Whoa! SangO, I've been here a Long Time? A Stranger? A low blow...

n/t

[sangh0]

19. Huh?

Bellieve it or not, some of my posts have nothing to do with you. By "stranger", I meant someone he/she met on the streets while canvassing. I've convinced more strangers to register/vote/vote-Dem than I've convinced people I know.

[KoKo]

21. You do so many "fly by posts" it's often hard to read you. Could you

expand what you are saying. I would like to answer you, but since you take me less seriously than I you....it should be interesting. :D

[sangh0]

24. Boy KoKo01

I'll ignore the personal comments and address your question

It's easier to persuade those who haven't already formed an opinion. The poster I responded spoke of his freinds in a peace group. It seems to me that if someone has joined a peace group, then they are politically aware and active enough to know about the various candidates, and to know which are acceptable to them and which are not. That being the case, unless they have a specific issue that they have been misinformed on (giving you the opportunity to give them the real facts, and possibly change their mind) it's going to be extremely difficult and time-consuming to get them to change their mind.

In my experience, that time could be used getting several people on the street to support your candidate, or whatever. In my experience, those who haven't yet decided will often walk up to you and request info and discuss it with you. These people are open to being persuaded. Sometimes, they want to be persuaded.

The peace group people probably have a pretty good idea of what they're looking for and they are probably not looking for someone to talk them into something else.

[HuskerDem]

26. I think he was saying the world does not revolve around KoKo1

but I could be wrong.:shrug:

[KoKo]

29. Nor does the world revolve around you or any of us here. Your observation

is correct, but application was narrow. :-)'s

[progressive dem]

54. A vote for Nadar is a vote for Bush

Edwards is the next best thing to Kucinich. There are a lot of Kucinich for Edwards supporters.

Did you notice in the debates how Dennis always referred to Edwards as my "good friend."

Edwards would give Dennis a voice he otherwise wouldn't have in the administration.

[KoKo]

11. Magistrate! My post is NOT anti-Kerry. It's about Dem Complacency

if we don't keep our folks energized and enthusiastic enough to get to the polls in November if they think this is all a "done deal?"

Please address my question. How do we keep our folks who would vote, energized? :shrug:

[The Magistrate]

25. One Good Step, Sir

Is to isolate defeatists and croakers, who attempt to reduce moral by disengenuous "concern" and similar devices.

Another is for activists to aim attacksd at the enemy, and devise counters to lines of attack the enemy uses, and get these out in circulation.

"There will be a holiday in our street soon!"

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[madfloridian]

50. Are we to not question or make suggestions anymore?

I find your statement rather upsetting.

SNIP..."One Good Step, Sir Is to isolate defeatists and croakers, who attempt to reduce moral by disengenuous "concern" and similar devices....."

I think those fancy words were meant to hurt. It is not needed and not helpful.

[sangh0]

62. Is someone stopping you, or is it your imagination?

I think your innuendo is meant to hurt. It is not needed and not helpful

[edzontar]

76. We have all read the posts pleading for purges and stifling expression.

We KNOW that they want to silence any and all dissent.

[sangha]

78. You also know they can't do it

so why are you so afraid?

[edzontar]

57. The people we should fear most, Matey, are the self-appointed

Arbiters of "permitted" discussion, which soon becomes a mater of "permitted" thought.

THEY are the real enemies of democracy, whether they come from the left, the right, or the "agressive" middle.

[sangh0]

63. Is someone stopping you from discussing anything

or do you just like the virtual pout?

The MNagistrate makes a comment, and now the whines about "permitted discussion" and "real enemies of democracy" start. Just like the "concerns" of those the Magistrate warned about.

[edzontar]

75. Not successfully. But they want to.

Check some of the recent posts in ATA, for example.

[sangha]

79. Oh-h-h-h! How scary!!

"they want to"

Hold me, mommy! I'm scared

[edzontar]

80. SangHOOOOOOOOO!!!!

nt

[CoupdEtat2000]

60. Thank you for pointing out the disengenuous "concern" and similar devices.

It's so old and tired, ... so old and tired, and not very well disguised.

As we saw with the originator of this thread.

I don't think they always realize it anymore it is so old hat for them.

So old and tired...

When can we ALL fight the real enemy instead?

[freeforall]

37. Well KoKo

I would encourage Dems to keep talking to people in their neighbourhoods and everywhere else. Remind them that it is a privilege to be able to vote, and that their voice counts. Also being able to show (in a rational manner) what Bush has done to the country - such as job losses, unecessary war in Iraq, etc.

I really think that Dems need to keep talking to others at a grassroots level, and especially remind people that if they don't honour their privilege to vote, they may not have it any longer with 4 more years of Bush.

[derby378]

8. This time around, voting is not enough

Ginny and I participated in a Democratic precinct caucus for the first time ever last night. It was so easy! All we had to do was show up. So few people bothered to participate in the caucus that we both became precinct delegates by default. The same appeared to be true for the Republican precinct caucus from what I saw.

Here's a little secret about precinct caucuses: They're the only way that most voters can introduce resolutions for consideration by their party of choice. I whipped up a quick little resolution with a pen and scratch paper in which our precinct condemned the abuses fostered by the Patriot Act. The resolution passed unanimously.

So now the two of us are headed to the district convention in a few weeks, and after that, the state convention awaits - if we both manage to keep our delegate status.

If you want to support your candidate, a vote can work wonders. If you want to get involved at a local level, however, voting isn't enough this year. Get involved in your local caucus and get informed. If there's one thing Howard Dean taught me, it's that we really do have the power - if we can just bring ourselves to wield it.

[KoKo]

12. As the "Co-Chair" of my Democratic Precinct here in NC, I 'm trying to

figure out how I can go around my Repug Neighborhood and tell them to vote Democratic. At our meeting last night we discussed this. And, we discussed how we get more of our "silent minority" Dems to get involved.

How can we do something to get them energized? :shrug:

[sandnsea]

13. Hmmm

I don't know about getting your Pubs to vote Dem. If I were in NC, I'd go where the unregistered Dems are. Another post said the unemployment office. That sounds good to me! With a flier about Kerry's fixing the trade treaties; putting money back into state budgets for cops, firefighters and teachers; providing R&D for new energy technologies and jobs; helping the unemployed get health insurance. That's just what I think. Find our Dems, sign 'em up, head 'em to the polls.

[KoKo]

15. sandnsea, thanks for the tip about heading for Unemployment Office for Dem

ocrats.

Might I ask what you are doing to support Kerry to get Bush kicked out of the White House. I would love for you to share your successful experiences with me.

Thanks. :-)'s

[sandnsea]

28. Same thing

Registering voters, volunteering at the local Dem office, phoning primary voters, other volunteer work as well. It's not rocket science.

[KoKo]

31. WoooHoooo, can you give me your list of what you've accomplished?

I would love to see your accomplishments. I actually AM a Democrat....have been one for years...however tips from newcomers are always welcome. We never know what we might have missed in trying to sign up our fellow Dems. :-)'s

[sandnsea]

33. Excuse me?

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back or break your leg getting out that "party base". Who I guess are now Republicans in your neighborhood or something. Self-important Deanies, best Democrats in the whole wide world!!!!

[KoKo]

34. I didn't understand your post.....Repugs in neighborhood, self important

Deanies?

Could you explain? :-)'s thanks!

[rasputin1952]

40. I don't know about that...

I was not a 'Deanie', but I do know that many Dean supporters have now embraced Kerrey, and I know of no one that has gone over to the "Dark Side" of the GOP.

I think that we all have to get together and defeat bush in the best way possible, through solidarity and the common thread that the country is in deep trouble under the current administration.

There will always be a core of die-hard GOP'ers that refuse to see the light; but for sure, plenty are NOT going to vote for bush again.
That came about by hard work on the part of Dems that have been all over the map pointing out how despicable bush has been.

O8)

[madfloridian]

48. I am self-important. It is called confidence. That is ok.

I am a Dean supporter who will vote for Kerry. I am proud of being a Dean supporter.

HOWEVER: Many Dean supporters are Republicans and Democrats who have no loyalty to the Party. That is just the way it is.

They will stay if they are given a reason to stay. Otherwise they will just not vote for a Democrat.

Self-importance is called confidence. A rose by any other name.

[madfloridian]

49. So...I gather if you disagree, you think voters will magically appear.

And the ones here who are blasting KoKo1 (which I hate to see, since this person is valued member here) are you saying that no one needs to be concerned about voters in November?

You all just think everyone will head out and vote? I don't think so, and I think we need to keep an eye on it.

There is sudden apathy here now, where before there was enthusiasm.
It may reappear in November, but we should not just assume that.

Wow, KoKo sure got jumped on in this thread, and there is no reason for it.

[sangh0]

64. So you're "concerned" about the magic?

Another "concern" with no basis in fact. We keep hearing about all these disappearing voters, while at the same time, increasing numbers show up at the polls.

And Koko was "jumped on" creating a "concern" that has little basis in fact. I guess no one is supposed to criticize anyone on DU unless we get permission from those who cry censorship everytime someone disagrees with them.

[madfloridian]

65. 3 days later? This was 3 days ago. This thread was gone.

I don't even know what to say.

Best to be silent then. Not worth the effort to raise issues.... Just vote no issues.

[Nicholas_J]

14. This logic doenst stand up

Voter turnout over the nominee has been low after super tusday, but only in the south. In Flrorida, Voter turnout, while low, was actually twice as high as anticipated with black voters turing out in record numbers. Black Voters turned out in very high number in those areas in which they were disenfranchised in 2000. Florida had planned for a very low turnout of 8 percent, but black voters turned out in such numbers that the turnout was 16 percent, twice what was expected. Very high turnout for primaries in Florida.

The Bush campaign has already stated that it expects that Bush will trail Kerry clear up until the Republican Convention, and they are planning for this, But other Republican pundits think that this is a dangerous strategy for the Bush team to be playing and the one most likely to cost Bush the nomination. But it is the only card Bush has to play, as the base of the Democratic Party traditional support, minorities and most important, Black voters are coming out in record numbers. Serious Record numbers which may lay waste Bush's hold on the south if the perrcentage of black voters who are coming out in the primaries stay as high and come out during the General Election. If black voters come out in large numbers in the South, this will cost Bush South Carolina and Florida easily. Black Voters constitute 47 percent of the registered voting population in South Carolina and almost all of them are registered Democrat. Kerry has a strategy to win without the south, but it appears that he may be able to win several of the southern states with the largest amounts of electoral votes. Florida has been fluctuatin between Bush and generic democrat until February, when it moved into a close win for Kerry. Right now Florida is no longer a state leaning towards Bush and has come out clearly to be seen as a state leaning towards the Democrats and this is becoming firmer with each new poll. All Kerry will need is to win the states Gore won in 2000, and take either Florida or Ohio back from Bush to win the General Election. Kerry is beginning to beat Bush in those states where Bush won by a bare margin in 2000.

Voters are enrage by the performance of the Bush administration, adn no amount of attack from the Bush administration about Kerry flip Flopping seems to be sticking to Kerry, as it did not stick to Kerry during the race for the nomination. When Kerry sticks top the facts about his votes against intelligence budgets and explains the opposition based on not wishing to vote for enormous slush funds to pay for pork projsect to go to Halliburton, none of Bush's statements stick. They are not sricking for his claims of Kerry voting against weapons systems based on the same budgets fattened up for Bush friendly contractors. All Kerry needs to do is mention the facts behind the pork in those budgets and all Bush attacks seem to fade away, and Kerry just does better in the polls the more Bush attacks.

Bush seems to be losing a great deal of the most important swing voters who are now the margin between winning and losing. He has lost a rather significant portion of the gay voter who went for him in 2000. THAt is reported to have been a million votes, and even half of that alone could cost Bush the election in November. Women, who vopted for Bush in larger maounts than they usually vote for Republicans have taken a large turn away from Bush over to Kerry, who is the democratic candidate who has continually gotten the largest percent of women voters. Kerry also is the beneficialry of the largest percentage of black support among the democratic candidates.

This election may very well be decided by women abandoning Bush, blacks who are comng out in much larger than usual numbers, and those gays who supported Bush in 2000, but have desrted him over his changed stance on leaving gay unions to the states.

[Guava Jelly]

16. It disapeared because anyone with a brain of a gnat

Realizes that Kerry is going to be the nominee
So why go out and pull a lever instead of doing your laundry .Watch tv or just relax after a hard days work,Trust me our peeps will show up when they are needed to oust the monkey king.

[KoKo]

17. Damn Straight.........I'm hoping those "peeps" will show up too! But what

if they don't........hence the point of my post. "Peeps" don't show and Chimp wins?" Duhhh...:shrug:

[HuskerDem]

27. What if the sky falls and the moon really is made of green cheese?

There is just as much evidence for either of these scenarios as there are in your tissue paper premise.

[Jacobin]

18. Today's vote is unimportant.

You can bet that they will turn out in absolute droves to vote against Smirk and not necessarily for Kerry. That would include me.

[HuskerDem]

22. Apples and Oranges at best FEARMONGERING at worst but

I am certainly willing to give you the benifit of the doubt.

There's simply no basis for any kind of connection between voter turnout in the primaries AFTER the nominee has already been selected and turnout in the general election. Apples: meet oranges, Oranges: apples.

I'm glad the primaries are over so we can go to work early on the real target, that ass in the White House.

[molly]

23. Bullshit!

[RetroLounge]

38. Poop

eom

[mike1963]

30. As has been eloquently replied above, it's clear that a big turnout was

essentially unnecessary since Senator Kerry is, to put it in the vernacular of the uncouth, a "slam dunk."

I voted for Clark in our primary a few thousand years ago here in Oklahoma (which you probably know he actually won).

But that was then, this is now - we apparently have our nominee and that's fine with me. But if I had been a resident of one of the states holding primaries day before yesterday, I probably would have been too busy watching some paint dry to bother voting either for against a foregone conclusion.

That does not mean I have (or would have) any less energy to expend getting the usurper out of the White House.

Nibbling at the edges of inevitability does not affect the result.
;-)

[Imalittleteapot]

32. In Texas, not many voters showed up at the polls.

No big deal. Repukes knew who their nominee would be. Likewise for the Dems. A lot of people didn't think it mattered all that much. They'll come out in droves in November.

[KoKo]

35. But, the point of my post was, if they didn't show up for Primary because

they thought it was a "done deal," how do we get them out in November if the Polls show Kerry as the Lead? What if they don't show up because they think that and Chimp gets in because his base is the most energized?

:shrug: Don't understand why no one gets it.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

42. I get it KoKo

And I understand your concern. Unfortunately everyone seems to think that voter turnout will miraculously happen in November because "everyone hates Bush". Where it is true Democrats definitely hate Bush people aren't taking seriously those lunatic republicans out there (and there are a shit load of them). It is, in my opinion, a huge mistake to assume it will be a walk because "everyone hates Bush". Obviously not "everyone" hates him, he's collected 150 million and has 660k volunteers. Remember the last election? Where it may very well have been stolen it was close. Just keep working on everyone you come in contact with and get involved with your local Dem party. All we can do is our best.

[sangh0]

43. No true. Not "everyone"

Some people seem to think that voter turnout will miraculously disappear in November because people don't hate Bush* even though in 2000 nobody hated Bush* but 50 million+ voters showed up to vote against him

[KoKo]

47. But, Sangh0, Bush is the "Resident -in-Thief" and Gore is out of it????

So where is the "logic" in what you are saying?

btw....why do you love me so much? That you must follow me and even pump this paltry thread of mine which should have died two days ago.

Without you Sangh0 this post wouldnt' be alive. YOU are the one who kept it going when I was willing to let it go. Why are you doing this?

at least your last comment could lead to discussion. Thanks for that. :shrug:

[KoKo]

45. Sigh.....thank goodness SOMEONE get's it! THANKS!

I think my post really wasn't worded in a way that got across to folks.

I will try to do better.

Thank you much, for seeing it! :toast:

[hippiegranny]

44. are you kidding?

i have NEVER seen people so energized to vote in a NOVEMBER election as this one. i truly doubt that anyone who is even fractionally cognizent of what is at stake will be staying home because they're convinced we've got it in the bag.

are you one of those people who worry if there isn't something to worry about?

[KoKo]

46. "HG, your average voter "couch potato Dem" is going to run out and vote

if the "Media" tell him the election is "in the bag" for Kerry?

Do you really believe all Dems all over the counry are like those of us who will crawl bleeding with bullets overhead to vote for a Dem to Throw Out Bush?

Hey....these are the same Dem Party folks who watched an "Election Stolen" and didn't turn out for the "Mid-Term Elections" which made a big difference in our House Votes.

The Lazy Dems....are my worry. They will stay home, but the RW Repugs will be out their with the buses from the Churches and the Anti-Female Hills & Hollers getting out their vote for the CHIMP!

I'm only pointing out that as much as we may love Kerry....we better work our butts off to get that vote out. :shrug:

[GOPBasher]

51. It will not look like a Kerry landslide.

It's going to be a very close election. This nation is evenly divided.

[KoKo]

52. But if Media says Polls say Kerry will Beat Bush comfortably 59/43 would

you figure if it was raining or you had something better to do, you would go out and cast your vote?

If the "Media" portrays it from this Summer on as a "Kerry Win" would you make the effort? :shrug:

[progressive dem]

56. Vote, no matter what! The swing votes wil make the difference

As they do every year. Edwards can garner these swing votes.

[progressive dem]

53. Energize the ticket with Edwards as VP

All must admit, Edwards is the best speaker! Even the pundits rave about his speeches and how they fire up the crowds. We need his energy and charisma to bring in the undecided (and there are a lot out there), the moderates, and the Independents.

Carville wants JRE as VP.

We need the optimism to draw voters in, Bring it on, just isn't enough.

[arewethereyet]

58. how many of those early primary votes were GOP ?

are we as energised as we think ?

[DemPoliticalJunkie]

59. Who told you voter turnout died?

It was record breaking in most states. I question your information.

[madfloridian]

67. This article disputes what you say.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/national/8151775.htm

That said, I do believe there was more interest in the primary....for a while. I do believe interest was higher.

The way it was frontloaded, though, did not lead to record turnout.

I hope people are angry enough in November to turn out, but to see everyone saying not to even think it might not be.....it is just ridiculous.

Check out the figures in this article, then perhaps you can find one to show your statement.

[sangh0]

68. That article is very misleading

It compares recent turnout numbers with those from 1960 to show that the current turnout is breaking records, which is true. However, it makes little note of the fact that turnout has been increasing significantly.

IOW, though the article shows that turnout is NOT "breaking records" it contradicts the premise this thread is based on (ie that turnout will go down)

[madfloridian]

69. This article shows 11.4% primary turnout.

Up to March 2.

http://www.news-leader.com/today/0310-StudyPrima-35512.html

SNIP..."Voter participation in the front-loaded Democratic primaries that helped turn John Kerry into the party's presumptive nominee was among the lowest ever, according to a study released Tuesday.
An estimated 10.3 million people in 19 states and the District of Columbia cast votes in Democratic primaries through March 2, constituting just 11.4 percent of the electorate, said the Committee for the Study of the American Electorate. The nonpartisan, nonprofit research organization specializes in voter turnout issues....."

All they are saying is not to be complacent. There is absolutely nothing unpatriotic or undemocratic about saying not to be complacent.

And if the Democratic party is bragging about record turnout, they need to be careful what they are calling 11.4% of the population.

[sangh0]

73. A very misleading report

For one thing, they don't count caucuses due to the difficulty counting the people who caucused.

For another, they count turnout in states that had primaries AFTER Kerry had effectively locked-up the nomination, which had a depressing effect. Also, it usually takes longer for the nominee to be determined, so there usually are more active primaries than there were this year.

Also, because Dems make up a lower percentage of the voting population (mainly due their being more independents these days) the percentage of Dems turning out is lower.

Look at the NUMBERS of people turning out, not the percentages. The NUMBERS of Dems turning out has increased dramatically.

[madfloridian]

70. Duplicate....posted itself twice.

Dupe.

[molly]

66. After reading your post - I AM

energized!

:kick:

[KoKo]

77. Well thanks! I was hoping for that! This post keeps popping up and

it's good to hear that some folks got what I was trying to say. We gotta not rest on good poll numbers and the rest of it. We've got to keep out there working on the streets.

I got flamed so much on this post, I didn't follow it much but since it keeps popping up, occasionally I see a post like yours, that get's what I was trying to say. I probably didn't say it well in the original post and it was misinterpreted as a Kerry bash or something, which it wasn't.