How did DK get less votes than Bill McGaughey in LA?

[MessiahRp]

Not to mention he barely got more votes than LaRouche...
Some staggering numbers for Kucinich people to ponder...

Beyond Dean, Edwards, and Clark supporters who are still voting for their candidates, the other candidates that dropped out and lacked serious support were still outpolling DK in some places...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040310/ap_on_el_pr/pp_dem_pres_all&cid=694&ncid=2043

TEXAS (Where Kucinich spent a lot of time):

Joe Lieberman, 24,970 - 3 percent
Dennis Kucinich, 15,687 - 2 percent

LOUISIANA:

Bill McGaughey, 3,142 - 2 percent
Dennis Kucinich, 2,395 - 1 percent
Lyndon LaRouche, 2,314 - 1 percent

MISSISSIPPI:
Dennis Kucinich, 773 - 1 percent
Joe Lieberman, 764 - 1 percent

In Florida Sharpton did better than Kucinich by about 3,442 voters...

I love DK, his causes are far closer to my heart than most other Democrat's but it's time to step out before these losses get any more embarrassing and he becomes even more irrelevant. The fact that he was closer to competing with Lyndon LaRouche and long exited candidates like Joe Lieberman than he even was in competing with now exited candidates Wesley Clark, Howard Dean, and especially John Edwards shows that in order for him to be relevant he needs to get out now, works out a deal with Kerry to help him out and in return get a plank at the Convention for his ideas to be shared nationally.

Please DK, save yourself from losing any more primaries as badly as you lost these...

Rp

[ludwigb]

1. I can't understand

why Kucinich's numbers are so low in Texas.

Did he campaign at all down in the border regions or in El Paso? I assume he hit progressive communities in Austin and Houston, but those are pretty insulated. I guess Dallas progressives didn't get out the vote for him either.

Disappointing. On the other hand it's nice to see people turning out to support Kerry.

[Mairead]

2. Read the thread about Dems having to drive 25 miles to a polling place

And that's AFTER they somehow find out where it is!

[snoochie]

3. These are some of the most backward states in the union

and you're surprised he didn't do well there?

[MessiahRp]

6. We could pass it off as just the Southern States

But take a look at his numbers most everywhere else including his home district...

His relevancy to the party is weakened when he does horrible and loses to people not even in the races anymore..

Rp

[snoochie]

7. Not 'passing it off'

And I'm not one to judge his relevancy by how he is doing in the presidential primaries.

He LED THE EFFORTS against bush in the house. You really believe that his poor showings somehow negate what he's done? What he's capable of doing in the future? I don't.

[MessiahRp]

14. Maybe not to you

But as sad as it is people will think of DK in terms of the Presidential race nationally and that will hinder his ability to really get his issues across a wide base.

Remember the real world doesn't operate like DU, they only remember winners and DK not only didn't win but he never even was all that close and the media treated him that way.

Not to mention you made me recall another great reason to get out of the race... doesn't he have his house seat up this year? Shouldn't he be concentrating on that if it is up for re-election?

[Kanary]

17. Could you explain why you're confrontive in this way?

I'd really like to know what is behind this confrontation you've started.

What is it you're after?

Please explain.

Another Delusional Diehard for Dennis!!

Kucinich 2004!

[cosmicdot]

4. I pondered ... now what?

"Please DK, save yourself from losing any more primaries as badly as you lost these..."

you want to shut Dennis up? down? what?

He's more interested in saving our Nation.

is he an embarassment to you?

such an unnecessary thread

[MessiahRp]

5. As a DK supporter I would expect that

But I am looking at this from the what's good for Dennis aspect of this.

He's already getting no national media coverage so spending this money and racking up campaign debt is starting to become a useless exercise...

He's not even getting many votes in the places he is campaigning. You can try to generalize it as the South but look at the other results. There are very few places Kucinich resonated including his own home district.

He needs to work to secure a speaking plank at the Convention which there is no guarantee he has even close to (or will get enough to)do.
If he wants to secure a plank he needs to meet with Kerry and get it done and the longer he campaigns against him and gets less and less votes the less it will seem as if Dennis will have a voice worth putting out there especially to the majority of the party in which Dennis is far left of. The longer DK goes and the worse he does the more irrelevant he looks.

I want the guy to speak, I happen to like him and I think having a true progressive voice at the convention (I do not consider Dean a true progressive) is a good thing. But the longer he drags this out and the worse he does the harder a case it is for him to make about him deserving a speaking slot.

I would say that delegates-wise he is on equal footing with Al Sharpton and it will be very hard to give Sharpton a place to speak without looking like you are just giving him one to pander to minorities... for DK he doesn't have the race card in his favor.

Dennis should get out now and work hard on beating Bush in other ways before his campaign debt becomes so large that he can't pay it off and before his relevancy vanishes completely in the party.

Rp

[Mairead]

9. What campaign debt do you think he has?

Apart from the bridge loan he took out because he's only received part of the public monies due him, I mean.

[snoochie]

10. I was wondering about that too (nt)

[MessiahRp]

13. Pardon my assumption

I remember him being nearly out of money in New Hampshire back when the Ted Koppel debates occurred, with him not winning a primary I assumed he would be running into debt by now. I have not seen any numbers so I went by assumption. I apologize if he does not have any debt.

Rp

[Desertrose]

11. how nice of you to look out for Dennis...however

you should get you facts straight before you make the attempt...and quite frankly, I doubt DK needs you to do that for him.

In spite of what many here think ..with noted exceptions :) Dennis knows exactly what he is up against and what is going down- the fact he chooses to hang in for the rest of us "just plain folks" speaks highly of his integrity & tenacity.

#1 There is no campaign debt...check the stats on any of the links about campaign finances

#2 To equate DK with Sharpton ( no offense to AS supporters meant here) when DK has been working HARD in the House of Reps for years and has held numerous public offices is pushing the limit...as far as irrelevancy..well I'd save that word to describe your post.

Peace
DR

[Kanary]

18. So, you want to push DK supporters, but then discount anything we say

because we're supporters?

What is it you're about?

What is the motivation here?

Come clean.

Kanary

[Josh]

8. Well I'm not sure about McGaughey, but I know that DK wasn't on the ballot

in LA. Neither was Sharpton. They're write-in votes.

[Nadienne]

19. Wow, this I did not know...

:evilfrown: That really sucks.

[Desertrose]

12. uhhh- how much airtime do you suppose DK has had after Super Tues?

Has he even been mentioned on CNN, MSNBC,FAUX? I would imagine a lot of people may have assumed he has dropped out since the media doesn't mention him.....
and really it is ALL KERRY ALL THE TIME

Just some "ponderings"

Peace
DR

[MessiahRp]

15. Which accents my point perfectly...

The media doesn't consider him relevant, the poster above said he never even made it onto the ballots. The real world will think of him in smaller terms than DU. If he gets out and secures a plank he'll have a national audience to speak to, and everyone knows at this point that's the most coverage he will get. We all know there is no Kerry-Kucinich-Sharpton debates in sight.

Rp

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

16. Because Kucinich is a very weak candidate

Hardly anyone is voting for him.

Not good in an election.

[redqueen]

20. Please, DK, stay in and keep fighting for what we believe in.

That's why we love you so.

:loveya:

A Case for Continued Support for Kucinich

[Zorra]

21. Agreed. TG someone is doing it.