McCain just said the Islamo-Fascists blowing up down-syndrome females...

[bridgit]

in a market place by remote control killing them and dozens of innocents around them; can be seen as the height of evil. Do you agree? I guess do you even agree that it happened at all? Either way, this will be the shape of republican speeches to come. And in the face of such happenings, do our candidates have a way to either diffuse such rhetoric, or address the problem of suicide bombers?

[niyad]

1. great scott, what IS that fool smoking?

[bridgit]

3. i dunno, but he said it with his straight-talk-face and he ain't shraing...

:(

[Tellurian]

36. The incident happened a few weeks ago..

Imagine what McCain will pull out of his hat against Obama...

:scared:

[bridgit]

45. i think that's right and yeah...part of the point here, but this shit is going to get very ugly...

:scared:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

2. Uh, terrorists are evil and do evil things? This is up for debate?

[Unsane]

6. Agreed.

[bridgit]

7. ah, so there are evil-doers...

now we're getting somewhere

[Proud2BAmurkin]

19. No, the filthbags who flew the planes into the wtc were just misunderstood

[bridgit]

21. very well, now there are no evil doers, just the misunderstood: check!

[Unsane]

39. dense much? people who trick downs syndrome sufferers into blowing themselves up are EVIL

it isn't open for debate.

[bridgit]

40. you dense much? in the span of less than a handful of posts he/she went from...

"yeah they do evil" to "the filthbags who flew the planes into the wtc were just misunderstood", oh, oh, i get it...you clowns think this shit is funny. well get ready, Slappy. cause this will be spewed from whole chunks of the republican response to follow..."dense much", goof-ball, look in the mirror

[Unsane]

47. it was clearly sarcasm on his/her part

[bridgit]

51. cool...

[Sparkly]

30. It's a GOP strawman. nt

[Eurobabe]

4. McLame also said "my friends" about 30 times too

I cannot stand this old goat. :grr:

[bridgit]

12. he says "my friends" more than Hillary says, "Day 1" and that *is* disturbing...

:mad:

[hill08]

5. which is why

Dems cannot run Obama, the most liberal senator, pacifist, dove candidate against war hero McCain

[robbedvoter]

8. "Your war - unnecessary, put us all in danger, no WMD - W is an idiot, you're his clone"

It's how Hillary does it.

[hiaasenrocks]

22. How will Hillary say "your war" with a straight face?

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

9. Some arab countries do serious human rights violations as a normal way of life.

It would not surprise me, however I think he is refering to a few suicide bombers that were indeed mentally disabled.

I'm pretty sure it has a factual basis.

[bridgit]

52. "serious human rights violations" indeed...but i see you're already gone so...

it is a matter for academics perhaps

[countingbluecars]

10. There is a perfectly good answer

to that. We need to end the war and bring our troops home. We only make it worse being there.

[bridgit]

18. agreed...

[thunder rising]

11. There are retractions of this in the media. The first step in making an enemy is to dehumize them!

[elehhhhna]

13. but when saudi law beheads people, it's kosher. right?

life is cheap, folks.

[bridgit]

50. Yes, sadly, life is cheap, though from what I know I bet there is a Kosher why *to do it*...

:):(

[smalll]

It happened only a few days ago in Baghdad I think.

And saying it's the "height of evil" well I can't disagree with that much at all. I remember hearing the story over the radio and thinking even then 1) wow that's bad and 2) events and circumstance just handed the Repubs a talking point nicely gift-wrapped.

Thank God this happened now rather than in the last days of October this year.

[bridgit]

35. i think that's right, within a week or so as i recall...

[Onlooker]

14. Of course they do

Clearly, the McCain-Bush approach has not worked. There are more people dying from terrorism, not fewer. The Democratic approach to stabilizing the situation is withdrawing from Iraq, engaging in diplomacy, and pressuring our allies. Through that appproach, maybe we can create an environment where stable enough governments exist that can reign in the sort of nuts who turn the unwitting into suicide bombers.

[bridgit]

54. Rather agreed, I think it important as well to disengage The Waking Malthusian Nightmare...

of trying to garner all the already scarce resources of a world that is not ours...and negotiate in good faith instead of bad

[Prefer]

15. This mistake is talking about terrorism in a vacuum

I mean, what is an act of terror but a statement. In this case, we take it out of context of the statement that was made. What was going on there regionally. Who was meant to receive what message?

Labeling it as merely an "act of evil" is a way to devoid it of any relation to the situation on the ground there and what might lead people to perpetrate this violence. And if you wont't talk about that, what is the point of trying to talk about a solution?

[elehhhhna]

16. didn't we, years ago, try to put bombs on dolphins? just asking.

[bridgit]

17. I recall that program...

Poor Flipper http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_of_the_Dolphin :(

[LoZoccolo]

20. I don't have much of a problem with that particular statement.

I would argue that what they want isn't exactly fascism, though it would be authoritarian, but a Muslim theocracy. I would also argue that you could probably always one-up the evil of someone else, but I wouldn't hesitate to call it very very evil; certainly one of the more evil terrorist tactics.

[bridgit]

25. It's certainly nefarious behavior but I agree; "the height of evil" is likely an escalator...

we would not care to step onto is my thought

[killbotfactory]

23. It's an evil he helped unleash by voting for war

I hope he's proud of himself.

[bridgit]

26. So proud he'll make it a plank of his candidacy I bet...

[Barack_America]

24. Um, yeah.

That's pretty fucking evil. Again, if the reports of what happened are true. I'm in no position to determine that, however.

[opiate69]

27. Has it been proven that those women had Downs?

Apparently not..

Down syndrome claim challenged
STEVE LANNEN; McClatchy Newspapers
Published: February 3rd, 2008 01:00 AM
BAGHDAD – A top U.S. general said Saturday that the perpetrators of Friday’s suicide bombings in Baghdad – the deadliest attacks in the capital in nine months – might have been mentally impaired teen girls who carried out the attacks unwittingly.
A British forensic expert cautioned, however, that suggesting the two bombers suffered from Down syndrome based on photographs of their severed heads was risky. He noted that the heads would have suffered massive trauma when the bombers’ explosives detonated.

“The diagnosis would have to be more scientific than that,” said Bob Lamburne, the director of forensic services for the British embassy in Baghdad.
More at link: http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/nationworld/story/272793.html

[bridgit]

28. Which is why I left a front door as well, "I guess do you even agree that it happened at all?"

[Sparkly]

29. Another odd statement he made, about not "sacrificing in vain"

He said a mother gave him something of her son's, a fallen soldier, and asked him to make sure he didn't give his life in vain. He said he'd not only make sure the son didn't give his life in vain, but he'd make sure we NEVER AGAIN have men and women give their lives in vain.

Did I hear that right? "Never AGAIN?" So is he admitting that lives were lost in vain? Was he talking about Vietnam? What was he talking about?

[bridgit]

32. That whole "sacrificing in vain" gambit is no-less than pernicious: you start a war...

based on lies & deception; you use American GI's cause they're, well, Government Issue - they come cheaper than Blackwater and have more deadly toys plus you can order them around and use them as a back drop for politcial points & gain...but there you are, in Babylon smoking & joking, splashing & dashing, shooting & scooting, etc, while your pals at Exxon/Mobil & no-bid crony war profiteers suck up all the money that's left over, if any, no I'm sorry...but he should know damn well that lives were lost not only in vain but for the interests of corporate America. Handing the family heirloom of a fallen loved one to John McCain for safe keeping is a statement alright, one that should not go misunderstood...maybe they had no where else to put it

[CJCRANE]

31. "Islamo-fascists".

I hate that word. I have a friend who's terrified of "Islamo-fascism".

I don't believe it really exists but if it does then it is most likely being funded by Bush-Cheney's allies and deliberately increased by their policies.

[bridgit]

53. i hate it too, it talks right past the fascism we bring to the table and that solves nothing

:(

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

33. He;s right, the question is how do you effectively deal iwth terrorism

things like the IWR and the Lieberman IRan resolution are the actions of people like McCain and Clinton that do nothing but create more terrorist and radacalize people.

[bridgit]

34. oh i know what you're suggesting, but religion is a radical-izer of man as well...

that's been the case for thousands of years, long before the IWR

[CJCRANE]

37. But in this case

religion is also a geo-strategic tool. Wahhabism originated in Saudi Arabia and is used by them to spread their influence in other countries. Islamic fundamentalism was encouraged in Pakistan and Afghanistan to defeat the Soviets.

Nowadays christian fundamentalism is encouraged in America to keep the Bush-Cheney base loyal and supportive of foreign war-mongering.

These two groups - islamic fundies and christian fundies hate each other - but don't realise that they are being pitted against each other for the profit of their leaders!

It's a vicious circle of hatred and war-profiteering - all each side has to do is to appeal to the bigotry of their base to keep the war going.

[bridgit]

38. Separate Church & State Now! is a recurring theme of mine; fundamentalism...

in any stripe does not advance toward that end. Wahhabism is said to be the trade off we made when oil was first found in Saudi Arabia: "Although the region in which the country stands today has an ancient history, the emergence of the Saudi dynasty began in central Arabia in 1744. That year, Muhammad bin Saud, the ruler of the town of Ad-Dir'iyyah near Riyadh, joined forces with a cleric, Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab, to create a new political entity." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia

In a very real sense, "christian fundamentalism" created "Islamic fundamentalism", as you've referred to it here, via their hatred of the U.S.S.R. and subsequent funding of any group, in spite of their stripes, willing to confront them.

But I do agree it is/has been a circle-jerk for quite some time now.

[Doctor_J]

41. If he keeps this up, the "crazy" meme just might work

:thumbsup:

[New Dawn]

42. A Christo-Fascist president has killed over one million Iraqis in the past five years

I think that is pretty damn evil.

[bridgit]

43. between 41 & 43 they've killed & negatively effected millions upon millions...

while they just keep rolling along...that has an evil quality to it, that kind disconnect

[lumberjack_jeff]

44. ... and they were each holding a kitten.

The way to defuse this rhetoric is to point out that more than 100,000 people have died as a result of allowing Republicans to try to solve this problem.

[bridgit]

48. Now that I'd like to see, Dems just standing there saying, "No. You're wrong. Now it's time...

for you all to shut up & sit down for a while."

[Radical Activist]

46. Next they'll be executing the mentally challenged.

Oh wait, that's Bush.

[bridgit]

49. heh...

:)