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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:08 AM
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Limbaugh, McCain, etc. have said far worse things about Chelsea. What will Hillary do about that?
Limbaugh called Chelsea "The White House dog."

John McCain told a really tasteless joke about Chelsea a few years back.

Both comments turned out to be utterly stupid, particularly since Chelsea turned into a very attractive woman. Yet Mom did nothing when these things were said.

David Schuster of MSNBC used the phrase 'pimped out,' which in this day and age has become slang du jour. It doesn't mean what people think it means. Schuster was stupid to say it, as the phrase, as with much other crude slang, is highly unprofessional.

Hill is right to stand up for her daughter. But why is she attacking Schuster when others have said far worse? Will she demand an apology from McCain? Lowbrow? Or does she just blow with the winds?

Personally, I think Schuster merely fucked up. We all say stupid things we regret at times. I highly doubt his intent was to offend. He just said something really stupid, and apologized for it. Plain and simple.

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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:10 AM
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1. Its b/c its election season silly. She will use anything to her advantage
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:31 AM
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6. "She will use anything to her advantage"
but lacks the political acumen to really understand what IS to her advantage, and what is just noise.

She's not very good at this, really.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:11 AM
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2. Do they work for a news organization?
No. And while they were reprehensible comments (and Rush should be fired for many things) it is not the same issue.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:11 AM
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3. She attacks the only network that gave the netroots a voice and is sensitive to the Dem party
Fox and Limbaugh don't care what she squawks about.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:13 AM
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4. Its funny that she'll denounce MSNBC, but wants to do a debate on FOX. oh the irony!
He didn't mean "pimped out" as in the actual meaning of the word. He used it as a slang term. Shouldn't have done it though, some older generations are not really in tune with the slang that younger generations use, probably more offensive to them.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:40 AM
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15. Don' t make excuses for Schuster. --your post is idiotic!
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:58 AM
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24. "Some older generations,"
the ones so out of tune with your reprehensible slang, outnumber you. And they vote in reliably large numbers.

Stop making excuses for something that was wrong.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 07:39 PM
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32. you really need to lighten up.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:38 AM
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14. You still do not get the significance of this situation do you!!
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:13 AM
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5. You're right! Hillary should be more concerned that Obama pimps out Michelle.
There I said it. Anyone going to press "alert?"
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:35 AM
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9. ya know Michelle Obama is a strong woman who would
laugh at your characterization.

Even though I defend her when I feel unfair criticism is being leveled at her, I know she is a tough cookie and she can handle it.



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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:38 AM
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12. They would play it that way now that Chelsea has been slurred,
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 04:39 AM by anamandujano
just to make it look like Hillary is over-reacting.

In a campaign that freaks out over the word "fairy tale," you are only Monday morning quarterbacking, and you know it.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:29 AM
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28. You haven't been reading up on Michelle Obama, have you?
They said she is FIERCE in her arguments. That is why she calls Hillary "Barack's opponent" and won't talk about her...so she stays out of trouble.

If you heard the woman you would know that she is good. That's why they call her "The Closer".
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:33 AM
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7. Hillary has no business sticking Chelsea in the middle of the
zoo.

Chelsea will get eaten alive and that is why mama bear is so protective of her.

She should have left Chelsea out of it. Chelsea is too nice for all this crap.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:35 AM
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10. Gore's kids worked for the campaign, as did Jeb's kids work for W.
All of a sudden, it's a bad thing?
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:38 AM
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13. Campaigning is not for everyone.
I would NEVER EVER want to do it.

That is why I feel bad for her, because it feels like she doesn't like this stuff.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:41 AM
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16. She looks like she likes it just fine. Why talk around the main issue
which is that the free for all MSNBC attack machine went off the tracks again.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:36 AM
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11. Chelsea is a grown women and makes her own decisons. But,you really do NOT
comprehend the situation do you--!!

Personally, I think Schuster merely fucked up. We all say stupid things we regret at times. I highly doubt his intent was to offend. He just said something really stupid, and apologized for it. Plain and simple.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:41 AM
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17. I'm not talking about Shuster. I'm talking about EVERYTHING that is going to be flying her way.
If Chelsea really loved this stuff, they would be broadcasting her. But no, they keep it off the air. Why? I bet this is a request of the Clinton people because this is how Chelsea wants it.

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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:42 AM
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18. She was at the town hall, i.e. on the air.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:25 AM
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27. Chelsea Clinton is an enormously private person...
A few quotes:

By any measure, Chelsea is now a public political figure. And yet, one thing has not changed since she was a teenage first daughter – she somehow is allowed to claim immunity from media interrogation. She has given no interviews since joining the campaign team. And she avoids reporters with an almost obsessive zeal. When approached by a cub reporter one day in December, Chelsea's response was astonishing. "I'm sorry, I don't talk to the press, and that applies to you, unfortunately. Even though I think you're cute," she told the young girl before brushing her aside. That protective bubble around Chelsea can be traced back to the first days that Bill and Hillary took occupancy of the White House in 1993. The late Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis paid a visit and urged the new first lady above all to protect Chelsea from the media looking-glass.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillarys-girl-reinvention-of-a-presidents-daughter-780179.html

The Private Clinton

People close to the former first daughter say it's her decision, in consultation with her mother, to remain at a safe distance from the press.

In Iowa, a congressman was enlisted to stand by her side "on Chelsea duty."

And there was the famous encounter with an intrepid reporter from the Scholastic News in Des Moines.

Nine-year-old Sydney Rieckhoff was snubbed when she tried to ask Clinton what she thought her father would be like as a first spouse. (She later asked the former president and he answered the question.)

By all accounts, Clinton is an enormously private person. She prefers to avoid political fights, publicity and all the tabloid attention that can inevitably follow.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Vote2008/Story?id=4154245&page=2

"It may not have been the role she was initially very comfortable with, but she has grown very fast into the role of spokesperson," said Peter Fenn, a veteran Democratic strategist who observed the young Clinton from a nearby seat at a recent debate in Los Angeles.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/02/09/former_first_child_steps_out/
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:39 AM
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31. neither you nor I know the reasons.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:34 AM
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8. I hope she's holding that in reserve
What McCain said about Chelsea is several orders of magnitude worse. I hope that she's not just letting bygones be bygones, if such a big deal is being made about David Shuster's ill-advised but innocuous remark, but is planning to keep McCain's ugliness close to her vest until she needs to remind us of them. Because what McCain said was truly nasty, as compared with Shuster's remarks, which were just a goof and not representative of any ulterior motive.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:43 AM
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20. It was no goof.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:43 AM
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19. "far worse" doesn't make it ok.
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 04:43 AM by Political Heretic
Look, I'm going to go ahead and take the flames and say I'm not sure that the comment warranted a suspension. I really dont know... "pimping out" is really not vernacular that I'm super familiar with, so I may not have enough appreciation of how bad it is.

I knew enough to find it totally unprofessional, and I felt an apology was absolutely appropriate. And like I said, just because other things are "far worse" doesn't make something okay. But, it kind of feels like 50,000 bucks worth of punishment for a 50 buck crime. :shrug:
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:48 AM
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21. I don't care if he's suspended or not. I just hope Hillary boycotts them.
They all keep pushing to see what they can get away with. Tweety will say something else and apologize only if he has to.

You do know that pimp means, don't you?
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:19 AM
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26. Yeah, I know what it means. What I meant was:
Because its not a phrase that is all the common in my context, I'm not exactly sure what level of offensive it really is.



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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:57 AM
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22. Funny how the Drama Obama people admit
he shouldnt have said it then go on to defend him.

Any of you read the emails from Schuster? He wrote that he said it because she wouldnt do interviews with reporters....so that means they are pimping her out? Then he goes on air and apologizes just to save his job when it was clear from the emails that he meant what he said. The guy bores me and before this I couldnt figure out why he was even on the air to begin with.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:58 AM
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23. It's a good point we need all the left leaning pundists we can get. HRC for prez wooo.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:09 AM
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25. Well, you know of course that Tweety worked for Tip O'Neil and
is left leaning also. Kind of makes you think, doesn't it.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:33 AM
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29. I'm sure it had nothing to
do with the hundreds of emails and calls the network got in response to Mr. Shusters indefensible comments. There is a pattern on this network for this kind of thing - we now have two jounalists from MSNBC that have had to apologize on air for being sexist pigs. In another place, in another time, this place would have been UNITED on this point.

That said - he has been suspended (I think two weeks is fine) and he has apologized (first one a joke - second one very sufficient). Like for the rest of us, there were consequences for his actions.
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anniebelle Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:39 AM
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30. And lied when he "so-called" apologized!
Seems to me this board was all over that "wimp" Kerry when he didn't fire back when fired upon, now someone does and what do you holler?:rofl:
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