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marcellobarrios Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:04 PM
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Obama's strategy is smart and Republicans are buying it
Edited on Fri Feb-08-08 11:05 PM by marcellobarrios
I like what Barack Obama is doing.
Let's think about it for a second: Barack Obama is telling Republicans that he will listen to what they have to say if he becomes president. Obama hints that even compromise may be possible, with Democrats and Republicans working hand in hand.

But here's the catch: Obama knows that we are going to kick Republican butt so bad in the congressional elections that there will be NO NEED to compromise, because Repubilcans will be irrelevant. There will be no need to let Republicans have a say in Democratic proposals because not only will we have a progressive president (Obama, if he wins), but we will also have a sizable majority in congress, which at this pace is projected to increase substantially.

Obama is smart. Many Republicans who seek "bipartisanship" are being duped by his apparent "praise" of Reagan. But their tiny number of senators and Representatives will give them zero leverage. Starting 2009, Republicans will be irrelevant. But We all know Obama plans to be the opposite of what Reagan or any recent Republican president has been.

I say keep it up, because it's working. Barack Obama, aided by a friendy congress, will be the best, most progressive president we ever had.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:07 PM
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1. so Obama plans to lose Congress
at midterms by saying I'll compromise and being Bush Jr all over again.
That will work out really fine - not.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:14 AM
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36. he won't lose Congress
and all he has to do is give a token here and there. And repukes lost the Congress for a complex stew of reasons- including sexual scandals financial scandals and corruption. Abramoff ring a bell?
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mihalevich Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:07 PM
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2. Yes We Can!!!
He will be the most pragmatic president.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:08 PM
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3. I take back my prior post where I thought you were a Clinton supporter
My appologies.
:blush:

And nice post!
:hi:
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marcellobarrios Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:10 PM
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4. I like both
But I think Obama is the better candidate.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 07:08 AM
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38. Translation: "It was OK to bash you when I thought you were a Clinton supporter. My bad."
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 07:08 AM by Perry Logan
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:11 PM
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5. No, they're SELLING it. Obama IS a Republican.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:19 PM
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10. right. meanwhile Obama is labeled as being MORE liberal than Billary n/t
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:02 AM
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34. Billary?
Did I just read the word "Billary" on DemocraticUnderground?

Fucking hell, I think I'm going to stick to playing minesweeper until this horseshit is over.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:48 PM
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29. And Ann Coulter thinks McCain is more liberal than Hillary.
It's like the freakin' Twilight Zone all of a sudden...

At least, in theory...
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:05 AM
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35. McCain is against Torture. Hillary...not so much.
Yeah she took it back, but her first instinct was to allow it. I think we know where she really stands on this.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:12 PM
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6. I'm not a mind-reader
I'm not going to assume any candidate is going to do the opposite of what they say unless they have a strong record to back them up.
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marcellobarrios Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:33 PM
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23. Obama has a VERY strong voting record
How many votes out of 10 cast by Obama in the senate would you say you disagree with Obama?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:35 PM
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25. That says nothing
about how he will develop a strategy for dealing or not dealing with bi-partisanship.
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marcellobarrios Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:37 PM
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26. Don't forget there will be no need for bipartisanship
You are forgetting that my opinion is that Republicans will suffer a big loss in the congressional elections.

What I'm arguing is that there will be no need for bipartisanship, and based on this, Obama is using a strategy that Republicans are buying.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:48 PM
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28. That's a very big gamble
and Obama doesn't have a strong record of standing up to the GOP in Congress, majority or no.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:12 PM
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7. You're joking right?
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:17 PM
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8. Obama: Most Liberal Record In The Senate Last Year
And even the Republicans like him. An amazing opportunity for us.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:19 PM
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11. In 2000 Gore was, 'the most liberal' in congress
in 2004 Kerry was the 'most liberal senator'

Do I detect a pattern here?

:rofl:
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:21 PM
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13. Damn, I thought I was the most liberal Senator... maybe I'm #3 in al Queada... hard to keep track
Edited on Fri Feb-08-08 11:22 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
These Republican totems are like monopoly pieces...
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:24 PM
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17. Gore Was In Congress In 2000?
Read some history - it'll do you some good.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:00 AM
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31. No, Gore was in congress from 1977 til 1993
And republicans claimed he had the most liberal record. They do it every 4 years. I am amazed that I even have to explain it to you.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:26 PM
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18. Obama missed 1/3 of the votes that they use to base this data on obama voted liberal 62 out of 65
Edited on Fri Feb-08-08 11:27 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:18 PM
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9. Oh yeah, the fascists will just line up to vote for the slogan spewing Democrat
How many times will democrats fall for this idiotic line?

How many times will the democrats repeat the same 'unity with republicans' fantasy, only to be burned again?
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:20 PM
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12. This "Don't worry! Actually, Barack is a total liar" talking point needs work
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marcellobarrios Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:30 PM
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20. Obama's record speaks for itself
Obama is a proud progressive with progressive ideas in the war, abortion, immigration, health care, EVERYTHING.

His rhetoric is a strategy that is working, because he's attracting Republicans and independents, as is reflected by the latest polls that show Obama with a nice lead over McCain.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:32 PM
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22. Since you say he is lying to those swing voters, do you expect the lie to survive until Novemeber?
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marcellobarrios Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:35 PM
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24. Yes. The conservative base hates McCain
So much that Ann Coulter said today that she would rather vote for Obama, and said the other day that she would vote for Hillary.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:22 PM
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14. hahaha you are delussional .....you swallow for Rove
Edited on Fri Feb-08-08 11:55 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:23 PM
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16. damn that's nasty!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:23 PM
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15. god damn cicadas
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:27 PM
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19. I know I find it funny when folks are calling him naive he is right on target...
Edited on Fri Feb-08-08 11:29 PM by cooolandrew
... I wouldn't say Republicans are buying into anything I think they do genuinely like the guy but not his policy.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:31 PM
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21. you obviously know little about the Republicans in Congress
They'll make him WISH he was still in the Senate. And every single one of them will do it with a big ole cheesy grin on their faces.

Try watching C-span for a month or two, when they are in session. Remember, the Republican party is the minority NOW. You really think the battle-scarred pukes who will remain after the November dustup are going to be conciliatory? If you do -- I have this bridge that is perfect for you...

:rofl:
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:46 PM
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27. Just because the Republicans are uusually quiet re Obama
does not mean they are not thinking. They will play their
cards when it counts. GE.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:57 PM
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30. You're right and you're wrong here
I think you're dead right that Obama wants to see a dramatic victory in November that sweeps lots of Dems into office, and gives Dems not just the ability to make some real progress, but the mandate to do so.

I think you're wrong, though, if you're implying that Obama's quest to start the American political sphere back on track towards a form of civility we lost in the 90s is some sort of false front. While the extremes of both parties revel in polarization, the vast majority of the country does not. There is a hunger for civic renewal in America's public life, and one reason Obama is rising in the polls is because he speaks authentically to that.

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:22 AM
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32. K&R
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:52 AM
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33. Maybe, maybe not.
Obama supporters are engaged in wishful thinking. He's an empty vessel into which his fans pour their aspirations and expectations.

Very few of them will actually get their pony.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:50 AM
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37. I don't think that's what he's doing at all.
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 06:50 AM by Political Heretic
It's DU that constantly spins his message into one of "I will unite establishment washington democratic politicians and establishment washington republican politicians."

Obama speaks of uniting the American people.

Because when you strip away all the political spin, and the partisan entrenchment, the people of the United States actually SHARE many core beliefs and expectations for their government.

A majority of ordinary people on both sides of the isle believe that we have a health care crisis.

A majority of ordinary people on both sides of the isle believe that this war was either ill-advised or ill-executed or both, and that it is hurting us economically, hurting us diplomatically and that its time we brought it to a close.

A majority of ordinary people on both sides of the isle believe that massive out of control spending and deficits combined with legal exemptions allowing multi-billion dollar corporations to pay less in taxes than a middle-class family is a failure of our system - regardless of what they think about higher or lower taxes in general or about the spending priorities of washington.

A majority of ordinary people across both sides of the isle feel that the protection of constitutional rights for American Citizens matter, and that accountability in government is tragically missing.

The disconnect is between the polarizing propaganda of beltway politicians and the establishment media consistently bombarding the airwaves speaking for the American people and telling them what they believe. While reseach consistently indicates that when partisan rhetoric is stripped away, the American people are overwhelmingly in favor of a richer, progressive more community oriented America. It is time for a leader who will unite ordinary people across political divides around these common goals. That message of unity is not some secret scheme. It is the vision for a better tomorrow.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 07:09 AM
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39. I'm almost relieved to see the Obama people can't figure out his strategy either.
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 07:09 AM by Perry Logan
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 08:48 AM
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40. Totally agree,
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 08:49 AM by BringBigDogBack
I picked up on this about halfway through his second book. I think he figured it out.... A way to get one of the more progressive senators elected as Prez, while carrying coattails. :thumbsup:
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