It's about time people started talking about SEXISM. The media & HRC, liberal SILENCE

[LulaMay]

I've grown very disheartened that even liberal people refuse to acknowledge or protest it. The sexism has been relentless, daily, disgusting.

I also think it less than admirable that Obama and his supporters have remained silent about it.... thus benefitting from it.

It has only been because of thousands of women complaining to NBC, and the actions of Media Watch and NOW that have motivated NBC to do ANYTHING about it....which has been minimal and insincere too. The pattern as NOW noted is offend, apologize, offend, apologize. I have been unable as a woman to watch MSNBC for weeks now it is so bad. The mostly male hosts and pundits are so often offensive and arrogant about it. They look like they have been trying to tear down Hillary Clinton with all their might, quoting obviously skewed poll after poll discounting her chances, and then looking shocked and ridiculous whenever tons of women voters turn out and she wins.

These men discredit not only HRC but women in general. It's INCREDIBLE that this remains a topic of little discussion even in the liberal world of politics.

I have one question for everybody at this point. How do you think the millions of women who are coming out to vote for Hillary, the first viable female candidate for president, feel about it? They see her attacked, day in, day out? Do you think they take it personally as women? Of course we do, because it is not HRC who is only being attacked, it is all women. We are being laughed at, mocked, in between angry reactions that HRC continues to win.

There is no equivalent of racism being used against Obama, nor is racism so openly accepted in our society as sexism is STILL. Obama has been promoted endlessly by the media, the male dominated media, and benefited from it. It has undoubtedly affected the contest. I believe HRC would be the nominee by now if not for the relentless sexist attacks by the media. But even if you dispel that, it cannot be denied that the coverage has been so incredibly lopsided in his favor and mocking of her.

WHEN is the liberal community going to seriously start talking about this and addressing it?

Until AFTER the primary is over? Because there is a sense that it does benefit Obama?

It is wrong, and a shame, because this is such an opportunity for sexism to be called out and protested, as much as racism is. When will that day come, when the B word and slurs like calling us whores in so many words or outright is not accepted?

My opinion is that women feel it is our time, and many men are trying to take stop it with sexism or remaining silent about it.

My guess is that if HRC doesn't win the nomination, many everyday women, most of whom are not on websites like this, will feel once again stomped on and that their day was stolen away.

I think they may be less than enthused to come out and vote.

The Democratic party has been taking the extremely huge turnout of women voters for granted, and they may rue the day.

It is very foolish.

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[Maine-ah]

6. go crawl back into your cave.

[neutron]

29. You should see how NBC treats women who work there

the few that get hired in creative, that is.

[femrap]

116. Zucker sucks. nt

[sheelz]

180. Pardon me, I want front row

Shiny happy people
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YbGSDkvh8B0

[LulaMay]

9. What an astute comment. Women will not 'get over' being treated like garbage.

Whether you are ready for it or not.

[LandOLincoln]

14. Sweetie baby honey pie, I think you're in the wrong party. n/t

[femrap]

117. deleted....

[spooky3]

2. Good post - but I think you meant to credit mediamatters.org

as they have taken a number of actions to confront MSNBC on their sexism.

http://mediamatters.org

[LulaMay]

17. Yes, thank you. I donated money to them today.

[AX10]

3. Obama and his minions are getting alot of traction out...

of Hillary being bashed/discredited.

I will seriously consider abstaining my vote for President if Obama is the nominee.

[DURHAM D]

7. I am with you there.

Obama is not a Democrat.

[AngryAmish]

54. He is a goose stepper

I hate Illinois Nazis.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

4. To quote my mother: "What's up with this, it's like women are some kind of aliens that came from

outer space instead of people that are here."

Mom's awesome. :-)

[LulaMay]

111. I like your mom's style. :)

[Alamom]

171. Yes, she is awesome. nm

[ingac70]

5. As a woman myself...

I think placing HRC on a pedestal and ignoring her poor judgment in voting hurts women more than not supporting her.

As much as I would like to see a woman in high office, I'd much prefer it be one that doesn't have a warmongering voting record.

[HeraldSquare212]

8. Exactly - war is not a feminist principle.

Ignoring the killing and maiming of women and children in preference to fighting slights and outrages in political discourse is just outrageous.

[Sparkly]

10. If you have a problem with her voting record, so be it.

That's not the point.

[HeraldSquare212]

15. That's not a voting record, that's dead women and children. nt

[boston bean]

203. Fine, you feel that way, does that mean you accept sexism? nt

[LulaMay]

13. You are changing the subject. Do you approve of sexism? Because she is being attacked with it.

[HeraldSquare212]

16. Nope. But it's less of an issue than the killing of women and children.

[LulaMay]

20. SEXISM has EVERYTHING to do with the KILLING of women and children. That's how important it is.

[HeraldSquare212]

24. So you're saying Hillary is a sexist? nt

[HeraldSquare212]

70. Sexism is not as bad as a govt policy of bombing women and children

and driving millions of families from their homes.

[LulaMay]

138. You are changing the subject. Criticizing her politics...okay, calling her daughter a whore is not

and is very important.

[never_get_over_it]

177. What is your point

The topic here is sexism NOT Iraq

There is very little difference between Clinton and Obama on Iraq - in terms of actual ACTIONS - Obama has voted as Clinton to continue funding the occupation - You can not say that Obama voted against IWR - BECAUSE HE WAS NOT IN THE SENATE - actually voting NO and not voting are two very different things - we will NEVER know for sure how he would have voted - I tend to think he would have been just as STUPID as Kerry, Clinton, Edwards, Biden and Dodd - BUT I will never know that for sure. AND he didn't even have the balls to vote one way or the other on Kyl LIEberman amendment - and once again NOT VOTING is NOT the same as voting NO

Also there might be a bit of sexism in Clinton's war mongering votes because she most likely voted that way to prove she is as strong as ANY MAN

The truth is we do not have a choice of two "clean" candidates when it comes to Iraq no matter how one spins it - we just don't....the only truly "clean" candidates on Iraq are Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul....and they are both out of the race....

[BlackVelvet04]

45. Did you vote for John Kerry?

he voted yes on the IWR. But men don't have to be quite as perfect as women to get a woman's vote, do they?

[HeraldSquare212]

65. the primary was over by the time it got to NY

I did vote for him in the general election, of course.

[BlackVelvet04]

72. Funny how one can compromise one's principles when it suits them. n/t

[HeraldSquare212]

78. I couldn't vote for an alternative in the primary then.

but the primaries are still happening now, and I can speak out against it.

and, yes, it is funny how one can compromise one's principles when it suits them. Or do you think there are no women and children in Iraq?

[BooScout]

174. Then you voted for someone who supported the war...

So STFU with your attempt to change the subject and deflect the controversy being discussed.

[ingac70]

27. She isn't being attacked for her gender...

she's being attacked because her voting record leaves much to be desired. Righties just plain ain't gonna like her, that is a given. But there is a reason the dems are split on her... and the fact she has a vagina isn't the reason.

[Sparkly]

33. When she's attacked for her voting record, fine.

When all sorts of sexist remarks are condoned here -- or everybody pretends to be cavepeople who have no clue -- it's incredible to me. I never thought so many "liberals" had unraised consciousnesses.

And this isn't about HRC -- for many, it's about ourselves, our experiences, our daughters, and others.

[K Gardner]

44. Its the voting record AND the fact that she's just plain not LIKEABLE to

MANY people for MANY reasons.. none of which are because she is a woman.

[BlackVelvet04]

48. And most of these people bitching about the IWR vote VOTED FOR JOHN KERRY......fucking hypocrits.

[Sparkly]

52. Well, I remember a lot of arguing about that, too.

Lots of people here incensed about Kerry getting the nomination, because of the IWR vote. Suddenly he wasn't a liberal at all -- his whole record was obliterated by that one vote. So it's not unprecedented.

[ingac70]

60. I'm sure her vote for Kyl/Lieberman...

push it over the edge for some folks. She didn't learn her lesson.

P.S. I skipped the 2004 election entirely because Kerry and Edwards, warmongers, were on the ticket.

[Darth_Kitten]

178. Well, at least she didn't vote "present"

and take the very easy, middle of the road line on just about, well, everything.

[ingac70]

179. The warmongering road is so much better...

isn't it?

[billbuckhead]

53. Obama has had the exact same record as Hillary on iraq since joining the senate

Unless you count the vote :tinfoilhat:bama never made had to make!

[HeraldSquare212]

74. But he spoke out against the war even though he didn't have to.

think about what might have happened if Clinton has spoken out against the war.

[LandOLincoln]

11. I see. So it's okay for David Schuster to imply that

she's a pimp and Chelsea's a whore because you don't like her voting record?

[HeraldSquare212]

118. Shuster was pointing out that until Hillary was in trouble Chelsea wasn't part of the campaign

because they wanted to protect her. But once Hillary was in trouble, the idea of protecting Chelsea went by the wayside.

[LulaMay]

149. No, he was calling her a whore and her mother and father pimps. That's why HE'S GONE.

[femrap]

119. deleted...

[LulaMay]

12. If you think she's being placed on a pedestal, you're not listening to anything in the media.

[ingac70]

18. The pedestal she is placed on...

isn't by the media. It is by women themselves. My own mother stated the only reason she was voting for Hillary in the Tennessee Dem primary was that we might not get a chance to vote for a woman for 20 more years! Mom knows exactly what shit votes Hillary put out, and it didn't matter. What mattered to her was gender. And that is bullshit.

[BlackVelvet04]

51. and obama funds that very same war....

John Kerry voted YES on the IWR and most of D.U. voted for him.

[femrap]

120. And you're saying the same to

Blacks who are voting for obama?

[UALRBSofL]

38. Bottom Line, men wont vote for women period

They have this medieval thinking women can't handle the highest office in the country. You can yap your gums all day it's not true but the fact is it's true.

[CaptJasHook]

128. I'm a man and I will vote for her.

Your view of men is skewed. There are misogynistic men and misandristic women. But don't put all of us in your box.

[LulaMay]

139. My husband and sons voted for her. We need progressive men who speak out, thank you.

[CaptJasHook]

141. I know more than a few. So take heart.

I could speak for days about what it was like growing up as a progressive male during the era of "Real men don't eat Quiche". Sigh!

I know I am unrealistic at times, but I feel we need to focus on the Progress, and not give the bastards an excuse.

It is always difficult, on the web, to determine where someone is at in their struggle. Many women whose have been living in a misogynistic culture for too long, first come to feminism and don't see the male allies they have around them. Just another reason for me to hate the chauvinistic Fucks who put them in that mindset.

[LulaMay]

150. Thank you.

[VotesForWomen]

185. this is absolutely true, at least to a degree. many men believe that god and nature intended them to

be dominant over women.

[BlackVelvet04]

41. Yeah, damn her for not being perfect......

while Obama funds the war after saying he wouldn't fund the war.

She's not on a pedestal....women don't have to be either saints or whores. I doubt you will ever support a woman for president because none will ever live up to your oh so holy lofty standards for women.

And I REALLY hope this pisses you off as much as this sanctimonious crap from women about how they would LOVE to support a woman but Hillary just isn't up to their standards, pisses me off.

[ingac70]

84. Hillary is a warmongering asshole...

who is getting the bulk of donations from defense companies, over Repub candidates!

Her votes are the reason why.

[BlackVelvet04]

43. I bet you voted for John Kerry.....

he voted yes on the IWR. But men don't have to be quite as perfect as women to get a woman's vote, do they?

[ingac70]

82. No, I did not vote...

for John Kerry.

[femrap]

123. Then you are truly an asshole.

A stupid repugnant asshole.

[ingac70]

I don't vote for warmongers.

anyone that voted yes on the IWR is the asshole.

[kikiek]

175. Boy you are right. Wonder how not voting in 2004 is working out for em. Talk about blood on their

hands and enabling. Iraq war would have been ended, and we would have a great President Edwards following the next 4 years. Idiots.

[Mojorabbit]

91. Her war votes are horrible

and I can tell you if Barbara Boxer was running you would not see this mess. She is not likeable to a large percent of the population who votes on likability. She would make a good president nonetheless. It is not sexism to not find her likeable... speaking as a woman. If I had a daughter I would teach her to vote on merits not gender.

[Deja Q]

69. But another DUer told me she'd end the Iraq war to pay for the healthcare initiatives

Who's playing the smoke and mirrors game?

Might be some stranger on the internet.

Might be Hillary.

Might be both.

And it might be politics in general.

I'll buy the boots.

[pnwmom]

205. The OP is not about people who criticize her for her policies or voting record.

It is about all the sexist attacks and innuendo.

[K Gardner]

19. Oh lordy.. as SOUTHERN hardworking women, my friends and family and I are ALL

just about fed up with this moaning about sexism and victimism and womanism. We're actually voting against her because she is exploiting the victim, the woman and the pity card.. and because we're sick of getting preached at by other WOMEN !! Get over it.

She can either do the job, handle the stress, or not. Is she TESTED, Is she VETTED, Is she READY.. or is she a victim? Time to decide.

[skooooo]

22. amen.

[LulaMay]

25. Then you are turning a blind eye to how you, we are treated.

[K Gardner]

39. Errr.. I'm treated just FINE. I earn a substantial living and am highly respected in my field, have

plenty of room for advancement, have worked hard, stayed single most of my adult life, maintained a home and yard and raised kids on my own and now grandkids. I have no complaints, thank you for your concern tho. If I did have complaints, it would not be something that I'd need to go browbeat everyone into voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton to try to solve.. given her votes on war and given her despicable conduct in this campaign and her blatant dishonesty, I wouldn't ask HRC for anything nor would I trust her with my welfare, certainly not with the WH or my country.

Now, if that's all.. I'll get back to my WONDERFUL woman's life, with which I am extremely happy and which I have carved out for myself with no help or PITY from anyone.

[spooky3]

63. Are you in a male-dominated or gender-neutral field?

If not, then according to a pretty consistent body of social science research, you have likely experienced much less sexism at work than have women who are pioneering in these fields. So maybe that's why you have no complaints.

Very glad you have a WONDERFUL woman's life, but that really is not relevant to what the OP is posting about.

[K Gardner]

75. Because I've been able to "make it" as a professional.. I'm questioned about the "gender" of "my

field"??? Who the fuck are you people? ROFL. I never wore my "sex" on my sleeve, or expected to be treated any differently because of it. Holy Moses.. I feel like I'm in a time warp.

[spooky3]

80. I am asking you whether you are in a male-dominated field or a gender

neutral one for the reason I articulated. Your response makes me highly suspicious that my hunch was correct. My point stands.

On edit: I see from your profile you are a nurse. That's a female dominated field. There's no need to get defensive about being in a very important profession. But you need to understand that what you have experienced is very different from what the OP is talking about and what women who are in male-dominated professions (such as politics) deal with.

[K Gardner]

95. Are you even remotely aware that as a Level One Trauma Nurse I work with mostly men? Or are you

stereotyping "nurses" as "girls" ?? Are you aware that paramedic RNs are for the most part males.. and that flight nurses, again, are for the most part males? I'm sure none of this matters, as you are trying to prove a Hillary Sexism Point.

More power to you.

[spooky3]

121. "Male-dominated" refers to the gender of the incumbents who hold

the job. You do not hold a job in which you are constantly viewed as out-of-role for your occupation.

Why don't you stop name-calling and try understanding the point that was made? Google the term and read the research.

Here's one example:
http://www.apa.org/monitor/may07/harassers.html

[Donnachaidh]

122. but you were perfectly content to put your southern woman label on your sleeve just a few posts ago

I guess you'll only get *outraged* when it personally touches you? Feminist if and when it suits you personally. :puke:

[LulaMay]

88. You see yourself in a vaccum, separate from being a woman. We are insulted every day.

It's a self defense mechanism, to deny being mistreated.

You may be successful, many women are, but you are still a woman, and women are insulted and kept down as a group. You are a member of that group. We do not have equality, by any stretch of the word.

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[LulaMay]

114. Do you have a point? I can withstand being attacked for speaking out.

[Donnachaidh]

124. there's that FEIGNED outrage again.

It's marvelous how so many of our sisters really do ignore everyone else on the planet. But bring up THAT fact, and then you'll see *outrage*.

[alarimer]

207. Bully for you.

If you cannot see that other women are discriminated against and harassed and generally treated like shit every single day, you are worse than blind.

There is such a thing as a glass ceiling. Statistically, women make less than men, even for the same job. Not to mention the expectations of appearance that men do not have to deal with. Women are treated like sex objects often nothing more in the popular media.

[readmoreoften]

37. But any slight against Barack Obama is still racist, right?

If gays are angry at Obama over associating with McClurkin and Caldwell they're called racist.

On CNN a "guest professor" said that Clinton was racist because she said she thought she could lead better. He said that by saying that she was insinuating that Black men can't be leaders.

When Bill Clinton said that Obama's ideas on Iraq were a fairytale, it was taken as a slight against his entire campaign, ergo against African-Americans.

These are still okay, right?

As long as racism, including dog whistle racism, is being parsed let's try to air out the sexism and homophobia while we're at it.

[BlackVelvet04]

56. Well, lots of southern women have very low expectations for women....

so I'm not surprised.

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[BlackVelvet04]

76. She's not my hero....

I don't need a hero. I don't need a saint. And you wouldn't have voted for Hillary no matter what she or her supporters said or did. She's not perfect enough for you.

[VotesForWomen]

184. yeah, and you were screaming racism a little while ago, weren't you? nt

[pnwmom]

206. I'm not going to "get over it" until it's STOPS.

And that does not appear to be any time soon.

Would you be saying the same thing if Obama were being subject to racial attacks? I doubt it.

[goldcanyonaz]

21. BRAVO! Our party was progressive about women until a woman ran for President.

This forum along with the media and has sickened me in their blatant sexist and misogynistic rhetoric in regards to Clinton and women in general. After she lost Iowa she was called a bitch, fuck you bitch, etc on this forum.

Racism is NOT accepted here, but sexism is not only embraced but also celebrated.

[Sparkly]

26. It's amazing.

Absolutely amazing.

[Captain Hilts]

36. Same with Trek until Capt. Janeway. The shit she takes on Trek boards is amazing.

As if Kirk were perfect.

[hedgehog]

42. At least Kirk never turned into a lizard.

Just sayin......

[OzarkDem]

212. It really hasn't been that progressive about women

For years the party's efforts to reach out to women voters consisted only of abortion and education issues. As if women were the only ones responsible for education? As if we didn't have other issues that concerned us, like health care?

The main female demographic Dems reached out to was the over 65 crowd. Is it any wonder they lost so many women voters in 2000 and 2004? Why would anyone be surprised? Labor unions have been leading the party for the last 20 years or so. Clinging to the old macho, blue collar voters has hurt the party. They must get over it.

Even the GOP has done a better job of advancing women in its ranks, electing them to higher office. No, the Democratic party has always denied its identity as the party of women with macho posturing and pursuit of the male Reagan Democrat crowd.

[AlinPA]

23. Your post has good points but I am offended by your claim that I have been silent about

this. Yes, I am an Obama supporter (Hillary, too as well as Edwards) and have not made up my mind yet on Obama and Clinton. If you leave Obama out of your post, there are some good points. Please don't lump every one together and blame them for something that does not apply to all.

[LulaMay]

30. Tell me where the liberal community has been very vocal about this. Vocal as they should be.

I did not criticie individuals, I criticized our party and the liberal movement for being silent.

Obviously there are many individuals who are offended and have spoken up.

I mention Obama because it is a simple fact that the media has treated him much more favorably, without racism, while attacking her with sexism.....and he has been silent about it.

[tyne]

31. IMO, the argument

does nothing but hurt women. And, I'm a woman. If you want to portray women as poor little victims...please do it elsewhere.

Plus, crap like this hurts Hillary, IMO.

[spooky3]

61. Why don't you visit mediamatters.org

and read the extensive factual evidence, which completely supports what the OP said?

http://mediamatters.org

Blaming the "victims" simply denies the reality and perpetuates the problem.

And, because they're subjected to the same societal influences as men, women can be just as sexist as men--Google "Phyllis Schlafly" for one of hundreds of examples--so if you thought you were somehow exempt or a better judge of things simply because you say you're a woman, you would be wrong about that.

[LulaMay]

66. Have you heard of Stockholm Syndrome? We have been victimized, but we are POWERFUL.

[Bluerthanblue]

28. if Hillary isn't the candidate who come out with the nomination

it has very little to do with her sex. I wish I could say the same would also be true- Comments like "women feel it is our time" don't fill me with much hope.

As a woman, I would be very happy to have a woman as leader of this country- but the fact that she is a woman would be secondary to the fact that she was the best person for the job.

peace~

[LulaMay]

34. That is ridiculous. You are refusing to acknowledge that sexism has an effect, unlike racism?

[Bluerthanblue]

62. no I'm refusing to let a very capable powerful person play

the victim, and use one aspect of her whole to manipulate public opinion.

Sexism does exist- Using it as an excuse for failure is as ugly to me as those who use it as an excuse to discredit an otherwise completely acceptable candidate.

Seeing her as a "woman" first and giving her preferential treatment based on her SEX is just as sexist as those who discount her for the same reason.

peace~

[LulaMay]

73. She does not play a victim. She ignores the media sexism. She is powerful.

[Bluerthanblue]

86. then why do you encourage us to do any different?

Re-read your OP-

peace~

[LulaMay]

90. It is POWERFUL to confront sexism, it is weak, built of fear, to deny it exists.

Because when you do, you WILL be attacked for it. As can be seen on this post.

[Bluerthanblue]

103. I don't deny that when you address a wrong you will be met with

confrontation. I DO disagree that sexism has been rampant in this election.

Powerful, worthwhile, effective people don't need to USE victimization to advance themselves. The point of the OP IMO is to manipulate a rude comment into something more- to bolster Hillary's less than stellar performance at this point in the race.

I DO know first hand the effects of sexism- in ways you can only imagine. Please don't think you are speaking to someone who is unaware, in denial or not personally affected. I'm not ignoring the issue- I'm refusing to cry fire where there is none.

peace~

[sniffa]

32. All I can say to this is

Don't be distracted.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4468754

[mrreowwr_kittty]

35. I'm an Obama supporter and I emailed MSNBC about Schuster's remark.

I don't disagree with most of your post but I have to take exception to one idea you've expressed, which is common among progressive women. Which is that the vast majority of women who vote for HRC are doing it out of feminist solidarity. While undoubtedly many are excited about electing the first woman POTUS, there are just as many who are motivated by other reasons, some not so laudable. Take the 2 women I spoke with while canvassing in NV prior to the caucus. One wouldn't vote for Obama because she "heard he was a Muslim". The other said there was no way she was voting for that "n-word". Do you think those women were operating from a feminist worldview?

Your experience isn't universally applicable.

[LulaMay]

55. Women do not have to identify themselves as feminists to believe in themselves, to want equality.

Women are excited to vote for a woman, to see them selves represented, like they COUNT. The movement is of women, it does not need a name. Their excitement is because they are women, not because of any group they may or may not belong to or identify with.

That is how far women have come. So many of us all see what is what, and want more.

I suspect a good share of conservative women would vote for her.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

71. So those 2 women are feminist? Sorry, don't think so.

And not because I highly doubt either could recognize anything Steinem has written. Racism and sexism arise from the same fetid swamp of oppression known as the patriarchy.

I find it telling that you didn't address the racism of the 2 women I met. Not surprising, considering you don't believe Obama has been the target of racism.

I think you are right, a good share of conservative women would vote for her. Particularly if she were running against an African American.

[LulaMay]

93. That was not the content of my remark. I am talking about women in general.

I was not talking about the two women you mentioned. They were the least interesting part of what you said. It was your remark that women are not voting for HRC out of feminist solidarity.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

99. They're not.

I didn't even mention all the women who told me they were voting for her because they wanted Bill back. Or because she had more "experience". A few liked her healthcare plan.

In all my canvassing, in 2 states, I've had exactly 3 women (regular voters) tell me they were voting for Hillary because she was a woman.

[LulaMay]

106. You are missing the point. Women are turning out to vote, for her, in numbers never seen.

How do you explain it? You deny that women have excitement, feel personally affected by it? You deny that women are feeling a sense of pride, recognition, at HRC's candidacy? It is possible to find individuals who give/have other reasons, but as a group, it is undeniable that she has encouraged a huge number of women to come out and vote for her...as is seen in the numbers voting for her.

[LulaMay]

59. And good for you. So did I. :)

[Captain Hilts]

40. If someone shouted "shine my shoes" at Obama, I think it would have raised a stink, rightfully so.

[Sparkly]

49. Thank you!!

[ruggerson]

57. Everyone in the media chuckled over the iron my shirt remarks

at the exact same time they were berating Mr. CLinton for making what they, through very imaginative stretches, tried to maintain were racially divisive statements.

The double standard is breathtaking.

[McCamy Taylor]

46. Sexism is still acceptable in America. Racism is hardly acceptable at all. That is the difference,

[Captain Hilts]

79. Make a racist comment, get fired. Make a sexist comment, get laughs. nt

[ruggerson]

47. Halleluliah!

thank you thank you

[AngryAmish]

50. What's wrong with being sexy?

[Bonobo]

58. I always use that line. Grrr.

[AngryAmish]

102. IF you only would have told me...

[Deja Q]

67. The only people making it a sexist issue are the sexists.

I have been gender-neutral and inclusive of other candidates.

Including the crying one, of which no politician would ever get away with.

Those who want Hillary in "just because she's a woman" are sexist.

Have your Hillary. If she betrays us, there will be plenty of tall buildings for you to go jump off of.


BTW:


Everybody loves Joe, right? ;)

[LulaMay]

81. You have no point. Your response is irrational and defensive, without substance.

[LulaMay]

83. And the only ones making an 'issue' (ie; protest) of racism are who then, racists?

[Name removed]

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[LulaMay]

77. Another astute comment. Perhaps you are sexist or haven't dealt with it....likely I'd say.

[susanr516]

85. YES!

This may be the best. OP. ever.

[goldcanyonaz]

87. I agree!

[UALRBSofL]

89. I guess y'all missed the T-shirts people were wearing

With a picture of Clinton on it crying with the logo below "cry baby" ! ! !

[susanr516]

113. No, I haven't seen that

but I live in Texas and we don't vote until March 4. My vote is actually going to matter this time--that's never happened before, lol!

[Jed Dilligan]

92. There are millions of gender-based abuses for me to get angry over

before I worry about attacks on one of the most privileged and powerful individuals in the entire world.

[LulaMay]

96. When she is attacked for being a woman, it is an attack on all women.

[Jed Dilligan]

104. I don't buy into all the gymnastics people do

to turn personal criticisms into misogyny.

Solidarity with the ruling class is not really progressive no matter how you dress it up.

[Whisp]

127. would you say the same about the attacks on Ann coulter?

I really don't like her at all, as most everyone here. what I dn't like about her are her ideas.
but the sexist crap against her is a thousand fold worse here than against Hillary.

do you defend all women against sexism, or just the ones you think deserve it or theones you like?

will you pipe up when the next round of picking at her sexuality will come by here?

[LulaMay]

133. She is a bigot, maybe mentally ill, but I don't like sexist jokes that she looks like a man, etc..

It isn't necessary. She is and should be held accountable for her demeaning, ludicrous and cruel remarks.

In fact, the sexist jokes about her appearance tend to detract from discussing the real problem of her bigotry and who pays her, or pays any attention to her and why.

[Whisp]

140. that's the only right answer there is.

if i had the gumption or will, I would look up some posters that scream sexism toward Hillary - I just may find that some of them are lieing and behave quite differently toward Coulter. just a hunch.

[riverwalker]

94. If she wanted to be taken seriously

she would campaign under "Clinton" not "Hillary". WTF is that about? You don't see campaign banners "Vote for John" or "Vote for Hank". Her wily attempt at being "familiar", and "intimate" backfired and just looks ridiculous. The sexism will probably stop when she stops being a stereotype and poster child of everything the womens movement has been fighting to overcome.

[LulaMay]

100. She IS being taken seriously. That's why she's being attacked so vehemently.

First of all, many men have campaigned with first names to evoke a friendly, personal tone. What about "Mitt"?

Secondly, she does not disavow being Senator Clinton. If she did, the media would attack her even more for trying to do so.

She is not using Rodham much lately to try and take that weapon away from them.

She has a lot of personal pride and achievements.

[K Gardner]

101. Agreed.. just look at this thread and the OP berating women who don't

agree with her and telling us we are "mistreated" and if we don't admit it we are "isolated from other women".

Not only does Clinton need to stop playing the gender/pity/woman card, her supporters need to, as well.

[LulaMay]

108. I have not berated anybody. I am responding with points, not name calling.

[UALRBSofL]

105. That is so wrong

She is distancing herself from Bill by using her first name. By distancing herself she is showing she can do the job without his help.

[mzmolly]

97. Pretty tough to battle when Women are still contributing to the problem.

:(

[LulaMay]

110. Would you blame minorities for racism? No matter how they reacted to it as individuals?

Some women are too afraid to speak up. Some women protect themselves by trying to deny they feel mistreated. We all are pressured to look/act/behave in certain ways, pressure that is daily and intense, hard to deal with.

That does not mean women are responsible for being mistreated by men. They are not responsible for sexism any more than black people are responsible for racism.

It's called blaming the victim.

[mzmolly]

112. I don't see minorities contribute to racism in the manner I see women contribute to this problem.

Unless women are prepared to address this issue as a group, it wont go away.

[LulaMay]

126. It's called blaming the victim. Women live with men, love men, our situation makes solidarity hard

Minorities bond together as a community against racism. Women's situation is very different, tending to put more personal pressure on us not to rock the boat, to conform, because the boat is also within our own families....husbands, fathers, brothers, mothers who fear for us. Women have formed communities by creating a movement, meeting together, but it is hard because we fear making the men in our lives angry or upset.

We need the men in our lives to stand up and confront their 'brothers'. Many more are, and that's partly why things progress, improve....but it is women who have been making the difference for a long long time in history.

You can't diminish that by pointing a finger at women's individual, self preserving actions.

It's like the dilemma of a battered woman. In many cases the woman is living with a man so violent that she is literally trapped. She knows it is a very real possibility that if she challenges him or tries to leave, he may kill her. It happens every day. They know that their husband can ignore restraining orders, stalk her even if she goes to a shelter. It is a very hard, sad situation that the public still does not acknowledge. Many people blame battered women for staying with an abusive man, which is cruel.

The honest thing to do is to talk about men battering women, that men are responsible, and that a large percentage of men who still control our society, in every government sphere are not doing anything about it.

That is where the responsibility lays.

[mzmolly]

132. I disagree.

The responsibility lies within us all.

[LulaMay]

134. Then you do not see sexism in the same light as racism.

[mzmolly]

Sure I do. I just don't see minorities contributing to racism and defending racism as

"Biblical" - "ok" etc. Tune into an episode of "Rock of Love" and/or "Girls Next Door" and listen to an Ann Coulter rant about how women should not have the right to vote, then tell me that "we" are not part of the problem. Listen to women who work critique those who stay home and visa versa and tell me that "we" are not part of the problem. Read the threads in which some women HERE defend misogyny and call it art/freedom of expression, and tell me "we" are not contributing to the problem.

Unless we, as women have a basic consensus on what it means to be empowered, I don't know that we'll have real, lasting progress anytime soon?

[LulaMay]

169. What about my pointing out the differences in our situations? Living with and loving men

makes everything more difficult. It makes it harder for women to find a way to have a 'community'. There is so sexism it can be overwhelming, so much pressure on us, from every place.

We are the ONLY group who have had to face being oppressed by our own loved ones, and having that oppression defended as the natural order of things.

Mostly though, because we live with and love men, they are part of our families, most women find it very difficult, if not impossible where there's a violent man, to challenge the status quo. Men do not typically react very well to it. That is deep oppression.

The onus has to be put on the source of the oppression, which is men. Men have oppressed women for all of written history, with violence and intimidation, poverty. If you don't concur with that, then you are taking the position that it is 'natural', normal for women to be in a subordinate role. Men have kept women apart, in marriage, isolated in homes and ways that make it hard to come together as a group.

To blame women for this is not helpful. It gives license to men and does not hold them accountable, so they can continue on.

Also, look in history....every oppressed group HAS been forced to kowtow to and identify with their oppressors to some degree to survive. For instance, many black men were made to be 'foremen' of a white owners slaves, beating and whipping other black people. Trying to survive does terrible things to people, but it's wrong to blame them for being oppressed.

[mzmolly]

191. What I've said is that the "onus" is upon us all.

I don't "blame" anyone, men or women. We have a societal problem that needs to be addressed on a societal level.

I think your comparison to slavery is over the top, sorry.

[LulaMay]

195. Again, that is like blaming black people 4 racism. And, excuse me, but women are slaves still

they are kidnapped, beaten, drugged and trapped as young girls and women and used by men as sex slaves.

And everyday women are beaten and killed by husbands, boyfriends, fathers, THEIR OWN LOVED ONES, for not doing as they are told. Many women can't escape the situation because they know if they try, they may be tracked down, even to shelters, by that man and killed.

So please don't ever tell me that comparing women's condition has no comparison to slavery.

[mzmolly]

198. Sorry women are "free" to vote, work, own property, etc. We have equal rights under the law.

I didn't say there was "no" comparison to slavery, I said that your particular comparison was over the top.

You've basically used "sexism" and now "slavery" as a campign tool for Hillary Clinton. I don't think you're helping her campaign by doing so? People will not feel "guilted" into voting for a woman/minority. That's NOT what equality is all about.

Peace, I'm out.

[LulaMay]

199. No, there is NO ERA, no guarantee of equal rights, and women are still enslaved

in this world and country....as I pointed out.

There has been progress, but sexism and violence, intimidation against women exists. You're denial of this is a sad commentary on the lack of empathy and enlightenment, from women themselves often because our oppression is so great.

Whenever you deny there is sexism and say we've won equality, you turn your back on every women suffering in a brothel, being beaten up by her husband, raped on the street, harassed at work....take your pick. And you do an unwitting, incredible disservice to yourself.

I encourage you to read some feminist theory and think about it. Try Robin Morgan.

[mzmolly]

210. Anyone who has read my posts here on sexism

knows I'm not in denial about the complexity of the problem.

My Grandmother was beaten to death by her abusive partner at 47 years old. More than one close family member/friend of mine has been raped. A good friend of mine was sexually abused by her much older brother, and turned to prostitution in her teens.

I've witnessed much in my lifetime indicating that we women still have a struggle on our hands. So spare me the book recommendations. I don't need to read a book on "theory", I've lived it.

However, your desperate attempt to use sexism as a campaign tool is real the disservice to women, and I'm not afraid to call you on it.

[LulaMay]

201. AND the rights we have won are due to brave women who acknowledge and fight sexism.

Not those who deny it exists and turn their backs on other women.

[mzmolly]

211. Which brings us back to the original point I made in this thread.

Thanks :hi:

[miceelf]

107. Uh

Obama's camp has publically criticized Shuster's comments.

Is it still somehow his fault? Or are you just pretending that Obama is going along with the sexism because you don't want people to vote for him?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23073503/

Bill Burton, a spokesman for Obama, called Shuster's comments "deplorable" and said they had no place in the political process.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

109. cicada

[femrap]

115. K and R....great post, Lula May. nt

[adapa]

125. Can you imagine someone screaming "shine my shoes" at BO? but "Iron my shrit" at HC was OK

When a sexist idiot screamed “Iron my shirt!” at HRC, it was considered amusing; if a racist idiot shouted “Shine my shoes!” at BO, it would’ve inspired hours of airtime and pages of newsprint analyzing our national dishonor.

Goodbye To All That (#2)
by Robin Morgan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4483875

[LulaMay]

129. I like Robin Morgan so much. Thanks. nt

[Whisp]

131. there is no doubt that sexism is alive and well.

and it's a constant everyday struggle to try to set things right.

but I would never support Hillary, not because she is a woman, but because she has terrible jugement when it comes to her decisions that effect people in a life and death and misery way.

I can't see how any feminist could vote for a woman who promotes war before promoting peace.

[UALRBSofL]

143. Yet Kerry got a pass on IWR

But Clinton is criticized for it. Double standards.

[Whisp]

146. is Kerry in the race?

I wouldn't support him for the same reason.

why can't you just deal with this fact instead of try to glance it off?

[HeraldSquare212]

137. And, of course, that's worse than bombing women and children.

[LulaMay]

142. It is not ok to use war as an excuse to attack her w sexism/ it is the root of much violence & war.

Support her or not....that isn't the point.

[HeraldSquare212]

147. I'm not "attacking her with sexism"; I'm objecting to a feminist defense of her

that ignores her support of bombing innocent people. that's truly a feminism with blinders.

[LulaMay]

144. PS- You are making a repetitive red herring.

[HeraldSquare212]

148. Bombs aren't red herrings, they're bombs. nt

[HuffleClaw]

130. ANY criticism of hillary is sexist !!!!!!

or so some would have us believe. its become beyond tiresome imo.

[ShortnFiery]

135. That's right! Mark Penn says so and Media-Matters put that mean ole' tweety bird in his place!

:eyes:

Really, Mark Penn needs to "cease and desist" with this tactic.

It's getting just PATHETIC in it's TRANSPARENCY. :crazy:

[LulaMay]

136. Red herring. Criticizing her politics, actions isn't sexist, but calling her daughter a whore is.

Like David Schuster did, or saying she only got where she is because her husband 'messed around' (per Chris Matthews), or men joking that they want to have sex with her like I've seen on this board, calling her Billary, or implying she has no substance or achievements of her own, no business being a candidate. Looks like millions of women disagree.

[ShortnFiery]

145. Misquoting is below you. He called her parents "Pimping her" plus she's 27 years old.

And can stand up for herself for heaven's sake. Damn, I'm so sick of The Clintons always acting like whining victims. Grow up!

[LulaMay]

153. What is a woman who is 'pimped' called? Schuster is GONE because it was so offensive.

[LulaMay]

156. PS- That's pretty silly to imply it was okay to call her parents pimps!

[CaptJasHook]

152. No, but some critcism of Hillary HAS been sexist, nt

[robbedvoter]

154. No. Only the "tears" and the "claws" ones. The IWR&al ones are legit.

[robbedvoter]

151. Agreed. I wasn't aware of the depth of my feelings on this. The more they kick

me, the more invested I become. And the more women- from a broad political spectrum - will get into it. We ARE the majority population/voters in this country. And no, we are not indentured voters to any candidate - so stop saying you own our votes.

[LulaMay]

155. I think a lot of women feel that way, and the Dem men should pay attention.

[Avalux]

157. I call bullshit. The liberal community is supposed to defend HIllary? Who's being sexist?

Accusing everyone and their brother of attacking Hillary because she is a woman takes the focus off her record and her lack of experience.

No one is calling Hillary derogatory sexist names (like whore, slut and bitch) or anything close to it.

The outrage expelled on a daily basis over 'poor Hillary' is ridiculous.

I am a woman and if Hillary does not win the nomination, I will not feel as if my day was stolen away.

She is not the best candidate and it has nothing to do with her sex. When I vote for a woman, it will be because she is the best person to do the job.

[LulaMay]

158. Where have you been? She has been called a bitch, now a pimp, implying her daughters a whore.

[LulaMay]

159. Calling BS on sexism, no matter what woman is attacked, is speaking up 4 all women

Saying it's okay to attack even one woman with sexism is saying it's okay, period.

[robbedvoter]

160. So, whore, slut bitch are the only accepted sexist attacks in your book?

Thanks for the graphic examples, BTW. Spelling them really raised the level. Also, thank you for leaving out the "C" word.
Analyzing her tears, "the claws coming out", "pimping Chelsea" - those are sexist attacks - even is not on your short list.
Attacks on issues - fine. Saying that she is only in this race because people feel sorry for her because of Monica - not acceptable.

[LulaMay]

162. No, unfortunately there are too many to list them all.

[pathansen]

161. I'm also offended by the words "Bitch", "Witch" for Hillary

and the media frequently called media "Whores" at this forum.
This is all highly offensive sexist language.

[Life Long Dem]

163. Maybe it's Clinton's fault? Isn't everything usually blamed on him?

How about Hillary? Has she even attempted to resolve this or does she expect Obama to?

[ShortnFiery]

164. It's NOT EVER "The Clintons' Fault" - Like "The Bushes" it's always someone ELSE who is to blame.

:eyes:

[LulaMay]

165. Can you make a point, backed up with facts, instead of simple accusations?

[Life Long Dem]

166. I want to see Hillary stand up to the networks on this one!

[LulaMay]

167. She isn't stupid. It is better for her to not to respond. It's up to us to protest.

What a trap that is.....detract from her message and her strength by engaging her in sexist crap.

[Life Long Dem]

168. It just doesn't look good when Obama's name is even mentioned.

Once he is brought into this, then the motive goes out the window and this is viewed as political. Just saying.

[miceelf]

170. Yah

That's especially true given that the mention of his name is dishonest. The OP claims his campaign has been silent about the sexissm, when in fact his campaign was quick to condemn Shuster's choice of words in very clear terms.

[hill08]

172. Hillary will win

A person who won Ca, NY, NJ, FL, and many more major states rightly deserves to be the nominee

[thesubstanceofdreams]

173. is voting for Obama sexist?

you say that if Obama wins, women will feel "stomped". There is indeed a lot of sexism in this country, and both women and men should be proud that there is such a strong and qualified female candidate. But to imply that a vote for Obama is in itself sexist is beyond ludicrous.

[LulaMay]

192. Is a vote for Hillary racist? I didn't say that. I said women will feel stomped on..

and many, many will. One of the MAIN reasons would be that it hasn't been a fair fight. The daily barrage of sexism towards her/women has affected the race, though she STILL has been winning, much to the utter SHOCK of the mostly male talking heads on TV who can't hardly believe it each time she does. It is a spectacle. There has been no comparable racist attack on Obama. In fact, the media gladly called HRC and Bill Clinton racists, on Obama's behalf...which is not true.

I am sure black people would also feel disappointed if Obama is not the nominee, but it won't be because he was slammed with racism everyday in the media. They have largely given him positive coverage, tons of it. Saying he's the inspiring one, he's JFK, take your pick of all the positive remarks....while with HRC the most positive things they say are 'well, she surprised us all' or 'well, she held her own'. It is so f8cking DEMEANING.

The media, and frankly, the DEMOCRATIC PARTY leaders have been taking for granted that WOMEN have been a HUGE voting block in this election, many many of whom are excited to vote for a woman for president. Being taken for granted will turn women off.

That is what will make women will stomped on again.

I feel it. I haven't been able to watch MANBC, a better name for it, for weeks because it is so prevalent and so painful and infuriating to watch, and be subjected to.

The only thing that has made me feel good is that women, and enlightened men, in enough numbers have ignored the asinine media sexism and still turned out to vote for her in huge numbers.

[grace0418]

176. I think it's wrong to assume criticism of Hillary must be inherently sexist.

I'm a woman and I will personally breathe a sigh of relief if she is not the nominee. Not because I don't want a female president, but because I don't want her to be president. It has nothing to do with her chromosomes. I'll vote for her if she's the nominee, but I won't be happy about it.

[LulaMay]

189. Don't skew my arguement. I said she is being slammed with sexism.

Not that ANY criticism of her is sexist. Criticize her politics all you want if you don't agree, but NOBODY should be calling her a bitch, witch, Billary, saying they want to have sex with he (on this board several times), or calling her a pimp and her daughter a whore. Please think.

[grace0418]

190. I agree that nobody should be throwing sexist terms around, just as nobody

should be throwing racist terms around (or any other completely ridiculous insults). But your implication in your OP was that women were going to group together en masse and if we don't get Hillary as the nominee we may decide not to vote. Well, I disagree. I do feel it's time for a woman president. I also feel it's time for a minority president, a gay president, an atheist president, or any other person qualified for the job regardless of their gender/race/etc.. I just don't happen to want Hillary. I'll vote for her if I must, but I don't want to have her as the next president. And if she ISN'T the nominee, I know PLENTY of women who will be more than happy to vote for Obama. In fact they will be relieved and thrilled to do so.

And for the record, I think all the time and I find it a bit insulting that you imply otherwise.

P.S. I don't find the term "Billary" to be sexist. I think it's quite apt, frankly.

[LulaMay]

193. Women HAVE been turning out 'en masse' to vote for her, and our party is taking that 4 granted.

It is a huge and foolish mistake for Dem leaders, mostly men, to do so.

Women are tired of being taken for granted.

[grace0418]

213. SOME women have. I haven't. Nor have any of my female friends. That's my point.

You talk about sexism, then you lump WOMEN together like we're all automatically going to vote for Hillary or not at all. That's just simply not true.

[Annces]

181. Thank you for articulating this

People take cues from general societal acceptance. People know that racism is a big no-no, but sexism is still rampant because it is accepted at so many levels, even by many women unfortunately. I have had my own sister say she thinks men are more important then women. It gets into people minds early, if they are the kind of people who read the weather vanes to see how they should act.

I had a Filipino female co-worker once who said she thought women were "bad" and did not want a female child. She says she has changed though. She had 5 boys. Then when her mind changed that women were not inherently bad, she had a little girl. The mind has great influence on our bodies I believe.

[LulaMay]

197. Thank you....We're taught that it's the 'natural order' of things, and that we should comply.

It's a hard thing for women to shake off....especially because we live with men, love men in our lives. It is INCREDIBLY difficult to think of them as part of the group that has oppressed us. It's hard to challenge the men, our loved ones, to face their own sexism when it pops up, and to change, to speak up to other men. Many women live with a man who it is near impossible to take that risk with, and no woman likes it when her husband or boyfriend gets upset or defensive with her, angry, if we point it out to them.

Sometimes you'd just rather go to bed and get a decent night sleep. :)

[NJmaverick]

182. ANOTHER LAME ASS SEXISM POST

The Hillary hacks show they have no morals or shame! I guess every woman that votes for Hillary must be a man hating sexist. After all if you don't support Hillary these Rove like Hillary disciplines will accuse you of being a woman hating sexist. Disgusting and it's tactics like this, that turned me off from Hillary. I don't want and our nation doesn't need a female version of George Bush in the White House.

[Darth_Kitten]

183. You just don't want to admit sexism exists......

And it's not about whether or not you are voting for Hillary.

This may come as a surprise to you, but women don't deserve being treated like shit. :sarcasm: Oh, and that had nothing to do with Obama.

[NJmaverick]

220. More like hypocrisy exists

If a woman votes for Hillary that normal and good. If a man votes for Obama he must be a woman hating sexist. Didn't see enough of this sort of bull sh** double standards from the republicans?

[LulaMay]

186. If you don't admit sexism exists, is being uasd against HRC, YOU'RE SEXIST.

[NJmaverick]

219. ROFLMAO!

I can't believe anyone posted this. Rove has got to be looking at the Hillary hacks like a proud poppa. Every sick twisted distortion of facts and logic Rove perfected are now being adopted by the Hillary Hacks.

[LulaMay]

188. By the way, very astute LAME ASS post. I'm so scared of your loud name calling!

[NJmaverick]

218. Don't like names act in an appropriate manner

You remind me of my 7 year old nephew who whines about getting in trouble when they do something bad. He completely ignores the part where he did something wrong.

[OzarkDem]

187. As a woman myself

I'm glad the day has finally arrived when we have a woman candidate for President, one who is amply qualified and a serious contender.

The majority of Dem voters are women, and have been for many years. But the party stumbled during the 80's and 90's when it ignored women voters in favor of the Reagan Democrats.

Losing a large section of women voters in the last 8 years has really hurt Dems. This is a chance for them to regain their strength among independent women voters again. I hope they don't blow it.

[Capn Sunshine]

194. Hillary's opposition is not about sexism

I'm against her whole corporate fangdango, and decided long ago that her candidacy represented the Establishment wing of the party that squelches any attempt to reaffirm the party's core values.
THIS was what caused it:



That she is a woman is not relevant to the argument, and it reeks of desperation to be playing this. It's also insulting to a significant portion of the Obama supporters, who happen to be women.

[LulaMay]

196. Don't skew my arguement. I said she is being slammed with sexism. Criticize her politics is legit.

But it is undeniable that she is being slammed with sexism by the male dominated media, and that has an affect on the race.

Obama has not been treated like this by the media. The pundits and anchors aren't calling him racist names or making racist innuendos.

In fact, the media came to his immediate defense and accused HRC and Bill Clinton of being racist, even after Obama admitted in the debate that HIS campaign was pushing that story and accusation, which he said he REGRETTED.

But he's been given a pass on it, and the media praises him every day, comparing him to JFK ad nauseum.

[Leopolds Ghost]

200. It's time Hillaryites started talking about warrantless wiretapping

Since Dems are about to vote to legalize it on Tuesday, and
indemnify the illegal participans, and Hillary intends
to vote "no" only if it has enough votes to ensure passage.

Now there's a real issue.

[LulaMay]

202. Why? Because you don't want to talk about sexism? GO VOLUNTEER AT A WOMENS SHELTER

[Leopolds Ghost]

215. Because DLC Dems are about to legalize wiretapping, NOT rape or ban abortion

All three of which are heinous violations of a woman's right to privacy.

Don't allow them to use sexism as a smokescreen for the DLC agenda.

Gender isn't the only issue that matters.

[LulaMay]

204. Post about her politics if you want, but be honest enough to respond to THIS TOPIC.

[LulaMay]

208. I'M REALLY GETTING SICK OF THIS SEXISM AND ABUSE. This is why Dems will lose women voters.

Thank you everyone who has responded intelligently and with some COMPASSION for women.

The rest of you are dinosaurs who need to evolve and give a care about women and children, and the salvation of men, in this world.

And if you truly think slinging sexist language at the 1st woman viable candidate for president isn't part of it all, isn't important...the harassment, intimidation, violence against women and children are A JOKE, then YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

That ANYBODY can defend or roll their eyes at a man calling a woman whose running for president a PIMP implying her daughter is working like a WHORE just boggles my SANE MIND.

I'M SO ANGRY AT PEOPLE HERE WHO DARE TO DO THIS.

You are the reason progress in this world LAGS, and frankly why we still have WAR. ALL WAR IS ABOUT MEN FIGHTING FOR THEIR SLICE OF THE PIE OF POWER AND MONEY, AND KEEPING THAT PIE TO THEMSELVES BY KEEPING WOMEN DOWN. IT'S WHY RELIGION IS ALWAYS PART OF IT, AND WOMEN AND CHILDREN ARE BUTCHERED.

So, if you want to criticize HRC politics, go ahead, but DON'T DENY SHE HAS BEEN SLAMMED WITH SEXISM AND THE EFFECT SEXISM HAS ON ALL WOMEN AND THE WORLD.

[adapa]

209. This anger was a big part of Hillarys win in NH-

I was absolutely livid at the white male talking heads implying it was because we NHerites are raciest-not to say some aren't but because the everyday woman of the state voted for her.

& the bleeping talking head boys kept yack-yack-yacking & NOT BLOODY listening to the woman on the same panel. I was fit to be tied. The BOYS kept not listening & disrespecting her.

They keep talking like the if this goes to the Superdeligates, & BO loses, the AAmerican Group will be upset.
Well HERE's a NEWS FLASH, WOMAN, 52% of the population will be upset if Hillary wins buy the rules & they take it AWAY FROM HER BECAUSE THEY DECIDE TO CHANGE THE RULES

[Leopolds Ghost]

216. I am not sexist towards Clinton... marriage as a path to political power for women is problematic.

Women should be able to succeed on their own merits in the US.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

214. Women presidents/prime ministers are not always wonderful

my guess nobody here experienced Margaret Thatcher. It was such a release to see her leave her post as UK prime minister!

[greeneyedboy]

217. Word. Thank G0d for digbysblog, feministing, pamshouseblend.com, etc.

I'd go insane without a little reality check on the insane misogyny that has arisen from the media sewer in this race.

Disclaimer: I was an Edwards supporter, and like the two remaining candidates pretty much equally, so please skip the dismissive "you're shilling for Clinton" nonsense. This is a real issue.