DK: Missing NM ballot boxes found in Clinton supporters' homes?

[FourScore]

According to Heath Hausamann' blog:

http://haussamen.blogspot.com/...

Apparently three missing ballot boxes from Rio Arriba county, and a fourth from Sandoval County account for the 2% of precincts that have yet to report in the New Mexico caucus, which has Hillary Clinton currently leading Barack Obama by roughly 200 votes.

Well, it appears that the missing Rio Arriba county ballots been found in the home of county Democratic Party Chair Theresa Martinez. Her husband, Sen. Richard Martinez, has endorsed Hillary Clinton.

According to Hausamann:

Several sources told me the ballot boxes spent the night at the home of Rio Arriba County Democratic Party Chair Theresa Martinez, whose state-lawmaker husband, Sen. Richard Martinez, endorsed Hillary Clinton. But Richard Martinez told Santa Fe New Mexican reporter Kate Nash that the boxes actually spent the night in the homes of three polling-place managers. He gave Nash no explanation for why the results from those ballots weren’t reported to the state party last night and why they were instead kept overnight in officials’ homes.

"The site managers locked them and they kept them and they took them to my wife this morning," Nash quoted Richard Martinez as saying.
Regardless of which candidate you support, this is the kind of voter disenfranchisement we've been accusing the GOP of for years, and is absolutely despicable. Please rec this diary, and feel free to forward this information on to whomever you see fit.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/8/17560/88572/643/452933

[Politicub]

1. Guilty - I'm sitting on one right now as I type this post

Us Clinton supporters - dishonest to the core! :sarcasm:

[FourScore]

8. I hate the way people make this so personal.

I never post in this forum for exactly this reason. I should have put it in election reform.

[Cha]

16. I'm glad you posted it here, wmp!

I probably wouldn't have seen it, otherwise. Shouldn't hilary be further ahead in New Mexico where their ol' buddy Richardson is the Guv? :)

[Cha]

14. Yeah, you've got red

herrings up the yin yang, too.

[Catherine Vincent]

2. That's weird.

But if it was locked, they can't get to the ballots. They would know if the ballots were tampered with. If they were republican, I would see a problem with that.

[AX10]

3. Dailykos is going into Rush Limbaugh territory now.

Scumbag!

[K Gardner]

5. Actually, the story is legit and was reported in the local paper today.

[Kittycat]

15. Did they say where it stands? Have the ballets been inspected?

[K Gardner]

32. I'd have to look over in Election Reform or on Bradblog to see if

any updates have been posted. Will see what I can find !

[K Gardner]

35. Try this link for more info..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x497085

[Blarch]

46. Jeeesh.

How many messengers have you killed today ?

Grow up already...Just because Hillary has vowed to use Karl Rove tactics, doesn't mean that you should.

[Thrill]

4. Hillary is going to steal it, I told you guys

[TexasObserver]

6. Hillary supporters trying to steal the election for her.

I've suspected as much since the returns slowed that night. Not surprised. Par for the course.

[LandOLincoln]

27. So we should give a damn what a

pinche tejano thinks about our screwed up primary? :rofl:

I can guarantee you that no one in a rural New Mexican county or precinct had to steal anything for Hillary Clinton. The only counties in which Obama did better than Clinton were Los Alamos, Santa Fe, Sandoval, and Bernalillo--the heavily populated middle Rio Grande valley where the wealthy "latte Dems" are concentrated.

Sorry--the fuckups and long lines were simply because state party chair Brian Colon was asleep at the wheel and failed to anticipate the huge turnout, consequently the polling places that were open were woefully understaffed and undersupplied.

I was a volunteer at Mary Ann Binford Elementary School on Albuquerque's West Mesa. There were something like 6 precincts voting there, as opposed to the usual 2-3, but only one table staffed by 3 people--and worst of all, only one voter list. In combining the six precinct lists into one, something like 1/3 of the names had been lost. Consequently those people had to vote with a provisional ballot--which meant standing in another long line. A LOT of people simply said fuggit and went home.

AFAIK the situation was the same in most of the heavily populated counties I listed above, and thus the 17,000 provisional ballots they're still counting.

Oh yeah--Obama's campaign had sent an observer to oversee the ballot counting at Binford Elementary. The Clinton campaign had not, so I agreed to stay and perform that function, just as I had done for Wes Clark in 2004. The count was 300 Obama, 441 Clinton, with about 350 sealed provisional ballots to be counted later.

Finally, there are representatives from each campaign overseeing the counting of the provisional ballots.

So you know what you can do with your insults and your assholery. You are no credit to Senator Obama.

[Straight Shooter]

55. They can't help themselves.

"Facts are stupid things." Their candidate admires Reagan. It's reflected in his supporters.

[Nimrod2005]

7. True....

[tandem5]

9. is NM winner-take-all? nt

[truedelphi]

18. Don't know. Those excerpts

from The article seems to make it seem so.

[tandem5]

20. I checked - its not winner-take-all nt

[truedelphi]

23. Good to know. Thanks. n/t

[Radical Activist]

10. Holy fuck

I can't believe this kind of crap still goes on.

[Evergreen Emerald]

11. Notice that every time Clinton wins, Obama supporters suggest that she cheated.

I wonder why they don't suggest that when they win?

[FourScore]

21. I'm not an Obama supporter. Nor a Clinton one.

I will support whoever wins the Dem nomination. 100%!

[fudge stripe cookays]

41. My cousin had a son who worked with her at her law firm...

years ago, and saw phony billing and all kinds of other dishonest crap from her. This doesn't surprise me at all.

[MyNameGoesHere]

48. You don't say?

Oh please do tell. This sounds like the scandal of scandals.

[fudge stripe cookays]

49. The Rose Law Firm

I'm not going to say more, because I don't want bad things to happen to she or her family.

But I don't trust Hill as far as I can throw her, and this is why: double dealing, hours being billed that were not worked, and disappearing files. If she was this bad as a power-hungry lawyer, imagine what she'll be like as president.

I can't stand Obama or Hilary. I was parying for Edwards to stay in. I can't stand Obama for his McClurkin thing, but knowing what my cousin told me, I have little choice.

[MyNameGoesHere]

51. Really? Do tell. You tell a lovely story and

you tell it so well. With such enthusiasm. Is Bubba around?

[fudge stripe cookays]

54. Huh?

I just said I wasn't going to say anymore. I have my reasons. It is my personal motivation for not voting for Hillary unless I hold my nose, tightly.

And I'm not sure who Bubba is, but if you're referring to my cousin's son, that's an unflattering image. And that's even less of a reason to reply.

[MyNameGoesHere]

56. No Bubba Gump of course.

So did he relay this to you using his super secret squirrel decoder ring?

[fudge stripe cookays]

57. I'm done with your baiting.

I trust my cousin and her son more than I trust your candidate. This story above gives me extra reason.

I owe you no explanation. And assholes like you are the reason I've stayed away from GD and GDP all primary season.

Thanks for proving me right.

[MyNameGoesHere]

59. Until you offer proof

and not some lame ass story about a cousins son thrice removed on your mothers side, who is the baiter? Yeah? Ok i thought so.

[sandnsea]

12. Move along, nothing to see here

*sigh*

[1776Forever]

13. I thought Chicago was suppose to be the place where this happens:}

:sarcasm:

[AZBlue]

17. I'm disgusted and disturbed by this.

Even more disturbing is the fact that I'm not really surprised.
K&R

[no name no slogan]

19. If NM is a caucus state, then what are the ballots for?

You normally don't have ballots at caucuses.

This doesn't add up.

[no name no slogan]

22. WHAT ARE BALLOTS DOING AT A CUACUS? (still wating...)

Caucuses do not use ballots to elect delegates. So even if these ballots WERE found, what would they have to do with a caucus?

This story makes no sense.

[stillcool]

28. Obviously New Mexico does...

http://www.abqjournal.com/elex/141793elex02-06-04.htm
Friday, February 6, 2004

Initial Caucus Vote Tally Completed

The Associated Press
The state Democratic Party has wrapped up its initial count of ballots in Tuesday's presidential caucus and moved on to 8,575 provisional ballots cast by people whose names weren't on the roster at the polling place where they voted.
Democratic officials would not estimate how long it might take to count the provisional ballots, but they have said the ballots would not change the outcome of the election.
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More than 106,000 people voted in Tuesday's primary, surprising party officials who had hoped for a turnout of 50,000.
The results from six of the caucus' 169 regular precincts were released Wednesday night. Those precincts had not been counted Tuesday night due to a variety of problems. In Taos County, for example, caucus workers went home because of a snowstorm.
http://www.abqjournal.com/elex/141793elex02-06-04.htm

see the post below from 2000 if you want to have a laugh.

[LandOLincoln]

29. Because it was actually a PRIMARY--but only for

presidential candidates. The down-ballot primary is still in June.

Bill Richardson was instrumental in getting our Democratic presidential primary moved up to February back in 2004, but it had to be termed a caucus to distinguish it from the "real" primary in June.

[K Gardner]

36. Its a caucus in name only.. see explanation on thread linked here..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x497085

[BringBigDogBack]

24. wowza

[stillcool]

25. Funny...

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/13/votes.elsewhere/

Recounts might spread to New Mexico, Oregon
November 14, 2000
Web posted at: 7:35 a.m. EST (1235 GMT)
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Despite the added boost for Gore in the second-most populous county in southern New Mexico, officials said the winner of the state was still too close to call.

Earlier, election officials turned up two ballots in a warehouse where some precinct supply boxes were stored and brought 16 locked boxes back to be opened by a presiding judge.
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A recount seemed likely in New Mexico, though its five electoral votes alone would not affect the outcome of the presidential race. With about 570,000 votes cast statewide, Bush led by a four-vote margin, according to Monday figures from Secretary of State Rebecca Vigil-Giron's office.

Gore once led in New Mexico by 7,000 votes, and was considered the winner on Election Night. But computer glitches, more than 250 missing ballots and complaints from several hundred residents who said they didn't receive absentee ballots resulted in the evaporation of Gore's lead.

Republican attorneys are requesting that state police impound early-voting and absentee ballots in case of a challenge or recount -- a move New Mexico Democrats denounced. State Democratic Chairwoman Diane Denish called the Republicans' request "hypocritical."

Police seized ballots in seven counties during the weekend under orders from two state judges. Under New Mexico law, either party may request impoundment. It is then up to a judge to decide whether to grant the request.

Now that Bush is leading, Denish said, Republicans "suddenly want the ballot count to end." She says when they were losing, "they did everything they could to get questionable ballots counted.

[JAbuchan08]

26. THere should really be a recommend function for individual posts

[stillcool]

31. oh boy...there's more....

in one article from 2004 election officials were taken by surprise by the turnout...

[Indenturedebtor]

30. Good point

Hmmmmmmm .............

[K Gardner]

34. I remember this ! Not much about 2000 that isn't SEARED into my brain.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

33. I've never heard of ballot boxes being taken hom!

I thought that was illegal?

[sfam]

38. If you think about it, its a great idea...it allows you to get rid of...

all those ballots from people who voted "incorrectly."

Taking the Ballot boxes home???? OK...well, what are ya gonna do? New Mexico = Florida

[TexasObserver]

39. Stealing Elections - A Clinton backer gets caught red handed

This could and should result in felony criminal prosecutions of these criminals in New Mexico.

[LandOLincoln]

63. I notice you still haven't had the guts or the decency

to respond to my post #27.

Pinche tejano...

[havocmom]

68. Bill Clinton spent Super Bowl Sunday with Bill Richardson too, don't forget

What a sad, sad mess Richardson seems to be close to time after time.

[lwcon]

37. I'll bet they were right under Vince Foster's body n/t

___

The Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy, now at my new home: Correntewire.com

[cooolandrew]

40. I'll try to forgive their dishonesty, to keep my peace.Democracy only works if it is fair though.

[stillcool]

42. Something else about...

officials being 'overwhelmed'...

Low turnout expected at New Mexico caucus

Heather Clark/Associated Press
Tuesday, January 29, 2008
http://www.abqtrib.com/news/2008/jan/29/low-turnout-expected-new-mexico-caucus/


Brian Colón, chairman of the state Democratic Party, said that without the injection of money from the candidates' get-out-the-vote efforts, it will be tough to get people to the polls next Tuesday.

"The only thing that I kind of lose some sleep over is I wish I had half a million dollars to promote the thing," Col¢n said during a recent break from answering phones at the party's Albuquerque headquarters.

"I think we will have had great success in New Mexico if we turn out 30,000 to 40,000 people," he said. That compares with about 105,000 votes cast in 2004.
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Several county party officials in more populated areas of the state sounded frazzled as they tried to locate enough volunteers, grappled with finalizing polling places and readied advertisements for local media in the two weeks before the caucus. But officials in the smaller towns generally said their preparations were going smoothly.

[Tatiana]

58. Very interesting... n/t

[Nailzberg]

43. They make great Ottomans. You should pick one up yourself.

[JAbuchan08]

44. Maybe this woman should be psychoanalyzed

to see if she's been brainwashed into a cult.

[Honeycombe8]

45. Like the missing box of billing records that were found in Billary's W.H. office?

This needs to be looked into.

[alteredstate]

47. Unbelievable

[snappyturtle]

50. Unreal. Thanks for posting...........I think! n/t

[mckeown1128]

52. kick and rec nt

[TexasObserver]

53. How can any Hillary supporter not declare this criminal theft wrong?

Repudiate this election stealing.

[LandOLincoln]

66. If there were any "election stealing" going on,

I'd be the first to repudiate it.

But this claim is bullshit and what's more you know it, which of course is why you still haven't responded to my post #27.

BTW, they're calling for volunteers to help count the provisional ballots. I'm going to volunteer, so I'll be doing some more reporting from the front lines, as it were.

Which of course you will continue to ignore, while whining and puling about us "hacks" and how we're stealing the election from your idol.

Pinche tejanos... :rofl:

[Eurobabe]

60. Is this for fucking real?

[TexasObserver]

61. I can hardly wait to hear the bullshit stories these NM hacks tell

[LandOLincoln]

64. And still no reply to my post #27...

Coward.

[Meldread]

62. This seriously needs an investigation.

And if anyone is even remotely thought to be guilty of voter fraud or tampering with the votes, they should be put on trial and put in jail if found guilty.

[ursi]

65. Isn't this a felony?

[Hill_YesWeWill]

67. oops nt