The Queen Hath Spoken: Off with his head!

[Meldread]

"OFF WITH HIS HEAD!"

There are so many hypocrites on Democratic Underground, so much spin, that I'm shocked we are not all sucked into an alternate reality. David Schuster, one of the most liberal voices on cable news, is now suspended because he offended the delicate sensibility of Hillary Clinton. He was on just this morning on Morning Joe defending Democrats against Romney's stupid remarks that claimed Obama AND Hillary were surrendering to terrorists. I guess folks like that can't be considered on our side.

What did he say? He said and I quote: "Yeah, but doesn't it kinda seem like Chelsea is being pimped out in some weird sort of way?"

The outrage? The phrase "pimped out". :eyes:

You can tell there is a generational gap right there. This reminds me of when a mother found a note in her daughters backpack from a boy who claimed that he "raped" someone the night before. She called the school and complained, and looked like a fool when it was revealed that he was talking about something that happened in a video game - that he had "owned" someone. It was a generational gap in the lexicon. I have personally used the phrase "pimped out" (and "raped") in the same context before.

"Wow, they are really pimping out their newspaper."

Does that mean that their newspaper is a whore? No, it does not - it means that they are pushing it onto people, hard, which is exactly what the Clinton's are doing with Chelsea. They are pushing her onto people, hard, in order to gain support, and his comments were made AFTER he showed a clip from the View where Chelsea called each of the View women one by one, one after another so she could ask them to support her mother.

:eyes:

Of course, I don't think this will change anyones mind. It was poor phrasing, but it will never end the fake outrage here on DU. There are people here who love to be victims. It is some twisted martyr syndrome. Had Schuster brought up the Bush twins, commented on their past behavior, and bluntly called them "drunken whores who take after their father" you'd have to bar the doors on the site. The server would crash from the endless cheering. Yes, I already know the responses from some of you. Your shit doesn't stink. You'd never do that. You're completely innocent. You are perfection made flesh. Your halo glows so bright you have to wear shades. Yeah, I know.

Meanwhile, here is Hillary who is so upset over some half-assed, taken out of context remark, that she won't debate on MSNBC. No, she wants to DEBATE ON FOX! We all know Fox has never said anything bad about the Clinton's or Chelsea. No, they are too busy calling Obama a Muslim and a Terrorist.

Frankly, if I was Obama I'd tell Hillary I'd only debate on MSNBC, with Matthews and Schuster as moderators. No rules. Anything goes. If she can't accept then she can go on Bill O'Riley's show and debate him. If she wants to pimp herself out in a desperate attempt for air time, he shouldn't be any part of it. Oops, I said it. I guess my head will be next to roll - I have offended the Queen herself.

I pity her if she wins the primary. If she can't handle remarks like that, then she apparently isn't ready to stand up to the "right wing machine". By the time they are done with her, her victim syndrome will be in such overdrive that she will nail herself to a cross.

[Iris]

1. I'm sorry -generational or not, I hate hearing words like "raped" and "pimped" used

as if they are common, every day words.

[Meldread]

5. Yes, well they are...

...and the context above in my OP is how he meant it. He was not calling her a whore. Of course, I know some people didn't catch that if they don't regularly socialize with the under 40 age group, and I don't think anyone is going to say it was particularly smart to use the phrase on TV. Of course, at the same time, it is like occasionally slipping up and shouting "Shit!" or "Fuck!" when you stump your toe or something in a situation you'd normally not use such language. Anyone who sees the video can obviously tell what context he made it in - but really... I just see this as an excuse by the Clinton's to avoid debating on MSNBC. They really want to debate on Fox and that has to make you wonder.

Does anyone really believe that Chelsea was so upset over the remark that she went to her room to cry? No, she didn't give a shit and she probably knew what context he meant it to boot.

[Iris]

79. I'm mostly around the "under 40" group

and I rarely hear those words in daily conversation.

om edit: I generally have no problem with swear words or slang. When I was in my 20s, we used the word "fuck" quite liberally as noun, adjective, verb, but I didn't expect others around me to adopt my word choices and certainly didn't expect a television commentator/journalist or whatever they are to use it.

[TexasObserver]

6. and that's you, because they are common, every day words

Maybe refusing to join 2008 is the problem.

They're both used repeatedly, daily, all over the place, and not for the events which they represent in your head. The problem is your refusal to accept that you don't own those words and you can't dictate their role in language.

[femrap]

37. I hear that Castration is the new

word...it's used like when a male is ineffective, asked to leave, or loses some type of competition.

Get with it. What are you...castrated?

[TexasObserver]

oh don't be silly

This where I tell you I'll add you to my ignore list, with the other nutcases.

I don't care what you say, I just don't want to waste another moment reading your inane blather.

[femrap]

49. Get with it...dude

It's 2008 and males who just can't deal with women....they're castrated.

Chopped, sliced, and diced.

How does it feel? I think Bob Dylan asked that ? once.

[Iris]

77. Ah! We're nutcases because we think language matters!

[Iris]

75. I have every right to think certain words are inappropriate.

I have some standards.


So sue me.

[KittyWampus]

59. Pimp My Ride?

[Meldread]

61. I would, but...

Obama has all my spare money. :P

[TexasObserver]

70. You have to apologize to your car!!!!

[Iris]

76. still disgusting.

[islandmkl]

2. in the context, which referred to Hillary & Bill...

I would say "pimped out" is an accurate description

[islandmkl]

3. sure, it was a little tasteless in whole, but not inaccurate

[Eric J in MN]

31. Yes, inaccurate. She's 27 and working for his mother's campaign because she wants to. NT

NT

[Meldread]

7. Yes, it was an accurate statement if taken in context.

They are pimping her out - they are pushing her onto people in an attempt to woo support. They are sending her after Super Delegates and other people, however David was referring to her being pushed onto the women on the View. He was basically saying, "Isn't this going a little to far? I mean really, does anyone care what the women on the View think?"

I watched the freakin' show, I heard him say it, and I didn't think twice.

[K Gardner]

11. I didn't think anything about it either. My kids use the phrase all the time. I think most

of the outrage is fiegned because people DO understand the context or lack of. However, it is a convenient ploy and device for Hillary to get her way. If it hadn't been Shuster, they'd have found something else, another excuse.

[mondo joe]

17. Please excuse the rest of us for not being at your kids' level.

:hi:

[K Gardner]

21. I do. I know all the uneducated Hillary voters here can't help it because they're not

Masters Educated and Successful Upper Income Generating voters like my children.

[mondo joe]

24. Oh, nice classist attitude. Good confirmation. NT

[K Gardner]

25. Nice condescending PERSONAL ATTACK you just leveled at my "children", whom you

don't know from Adam, asshole.

[mondo joe]

28. Sorry - I didn't realize they were so educated and special, or I would have

deferred to them as I am but a lowly serf.

[11 Bravo]

83. I just got here, but can you fucking read? Where's the "PERSONAL ATTACK" on your children?

[femrap]

39. It 's the same thing obama does

with his wife, right? He pimps her...wonder how much money she makes for him???

[Meldread]

43. I don't know. Lot's I hope.

Michelle works hard, but so does Bill. He is a good advocate so long as he keeps his mouth shut, like a good little bitch.

[femrap]

50. That castration is showing...dude. nt

[NightWatcher]

4. incoming

[mondo joe]

8. If he'd said it about Obama pimping his wife or kid you'd have killed him with your bare

hands.

[islandmkl]

12. nobody said Hillary is pimping BILL...nice try...

Obama isn't sending his kids to talk to voters, delegates, party functionaries...try to keep things somewhat relative

[Meldread]

13. If Obama was pushing his kids and wife onto people...

...then he'd be making an accurate statement. Seeing as how Obama's kids are too young to be pimped out onto Super Delegates, which is unfortunate, I don't see how it is a problem. Michelle probably is being pimped out in an attempt to woo support. I'd be pissed if Obama wasn't pimping her out to as many people as he could to get as much support as he could.

:eyes:

Should I kill myself with my bare hands now?

Welcome to the 2008 Lexicon. The 1960's are <----- that way.

[mondo joe]

15. Your ability to rationalize your bias is quite remarkable.

Good luck with that.

[HughMoran]

14. & the poster has the unmitigated gaul to use the word "hypocrite"

This is one of the most shocking and disgusting days ever on DU :puke:

[NMMNG]

9. So if somebody said that Obama was "pimping out Michelle"

because she campaigned on his behalf you'd be OK with it?

[Meldread]

20. Yes, I hope people are pimping themselves for Obama. Especially his wife.

There is nothing wrong with whoring for a cause you believe in - I whore for Obama as much as I can. If I had the power to lure Super Delegates to Obama, I'd beg him to pimp me out and I'd happily whore for his cause - a cause I believe in.

Jeepers Creepers. More 2008 Lexicon. Retreat to the 1960's ASAP.

[femrap]

42. You have a real problem with women, don't ya?

Or is it that you're flaccid? Guess that you gotta yourself castrated...

It's the condition that has come into 2008 language use....especially since HRC is running for Prez.

I guarantee no one wants you...you've been castrated. And it's HRC who did it to you.

[NMMNG]

53. "Pimp" and "whore" are just part of the 2008 lexicon.

And they don't have any negative connotations.

Much like "that's so gay"?



Then count me as glad to be a relic of the past.

[Meldread]

55. Actually...

...at first I didn't like the phrase, "that's so gay". However, after hearing it so much it became irrelevant. Of course, I also didn't like the word "Queer" - I use it now sometimes.

Although, that's so gay seems to be falling out of use with most people, oddly. I think it was just a language fad, although younger people (than me - teenagers) still use it. I know lots of gay people who say it still, though, but use it differently when talking about one another. As in, "you are acting the part of a stereotypical gay male". It's meant as a joking tease among friends when used between a trusted friend and a gay person or a gay person to use it as a tease against another close friend.

:shrug:

That's just the way it is, but the fact remains the context is important. David did not mean to be offensive and anyone who views the clip with context in mind can clearly tell that he did not mean to be offensive.

[NMMNG]

63. Context and intent

That's just the way it is, but the fact remains the context is important. David did not mean to be offensive and anyone who views the clip with context in mind can clearly tell that he did not mean to be offensive.


He may very well have not meant to be offensive but people were offended. Likewise Bill Clinton may not have intended to be offensive with his "fairy tale" remark or his Jesse Jackson remark, but people were offended. Many people who call Ann Coulter "Ann the Man" may not intend to offend but they do--at least they offend people in the GLBT community. The list could go on infinitum.

Words have an effect on people despite the adage "sticks and stones...", and that's why we have to be careful what we say to and about others. We also need to know when apologies and other forms of reparation are necessary. I don't really think Shuster needs to be fired, but there's nothing inherently wrong in HRC demanding it. (Before you protest, I ask if you protested when Obama demanded the firing of Don Imus and John Tanner.)

[Meldread]

65. I don't think anyone is saying that what he said was a good idea...

Obviously, I think everyone realizes that people of all ages - older people especially - watch the show. However, my point is contextually he didn't mean to be offensive or derogatory. He wasn't calling her a whore and wasn't implying that her parents were whoring her out which seems to be how most people have taken it.

I was watching the show when he said it. It was so common place for me to hear similar phrases it didn't even register in my head as offensive. I didn't even realize that it was offensive to anyone until people complained. That's how common it is used in the under 40 crowd.

That's my point. Certainly, he shouldn't have said it but I do not even think he meant to say it. He was in a conversational mode and sometimes things that are just in your common lexicon slip out. I talk differently among friends than with, say the elderly. Everyone talks differently when among different groups of people. However, occasionally I think we can all attest to a time or two when we said something that wasn't appropriate to use with the group you were with - they didn't get it. IMO, that's what happened.

I find it sad that a guy who is literally on our side is being crucified for a remark that was taken out of context and punished for it. Apologize? Yes, he should apologize to all those who aren't "in tune" with the times and the lexicon being used. To them it WAS offensive.

However, even so, there are some here and all over who will not accept an apology, no matter how sincere or honest.

Again, the point of the post is CONTEXT. I do not want people running around thinking David basically said Hillary and Bill were whoring their daughter out in a sexual way.

It is somewhat hard for me to understand why people don't seem to "get" it even after it was explained to them. To me, from my prospective, once it was explained what he meant people should have said, "Oh, my bad, I thought you meant something else." And moved on - for an example see my response to someone else in the thread. I misunderstood what they said and that's what I did. I don't see why people can't do the same with David. Therefore, from my prospective, it is fake outrage because they want to play the victim.

[NMMNG]

67. I'm part of the under 40 crowd

and neither "pimping" nor "whoring" are part of my common lexicon.


It is somewhat hard for me to understand why people don't seem to "get" it even after it was explained to them. To me, from my prospective, once it was explained what he meant people should have said, "Oh, my bad, I thought you meant something else." And moved on - for an example see my response to someone else in the thread. I misunderstood what they said and that's what I did. I don't see why people can't do the same with David. Therefore, from my prospective, it is fake outrage because they want to play the victim.


This is the utter disconnect I don't get. When GLBT people were angry about Obama's McClurkin deal we were accused of "faux outrage" by Obama supporters who just didn't understand that what Obama did was a downright shitty thing (or maybe they did but couldn't get over the cognitive dissonance).

Now people who have a stick up their asses over Clinton are dismissing the outrage over the pimping remark as "faux outrage". It's much the same thing. Apparently women and others who care about them can't be displeased about use of a sexist term without it being dismissed as "faux outrage".

But did we dismiss the AA community's anger at Bill Clinton's remarks ("fairy tale", Jesse Jackson in SC) as "faux outrage"? Why the fucking double standard with some people?

[Sapphocrat]

68. Why the double standard?

I dunno -- I'm still waiting for somebody to explain why it was cool that Obama demanded the firings of Don Imus and John Tanner for their racist remarks, but it's not cool to ask why he won't distance himself from the likes of gay-bashers McClurkin and Caldwell. :shrug:

[NMMNG]

69. Maybe because they're too useful to him?

Because despite all of his lip-service to LGBT rights he actually believes homophobia isn't as bad as racism?

:shrug:

[Sapphocrat]

72. After carefully weighing all the possibilities...

...that's the only conclusion that makes sense.

[Meldread]

73. Because it's not the same thing, therefore no double standard.

What Obama's Campaign did was wrong and LGBT people were rightfully disappointed and angry. What people are accusing David of DID NOT HAPPEN in the way that they claim. If he had said, "Yeah, now I'm going to go Pimp My Ride." He wasn't calling his car a whore, but that's basically the argument being used by the people who are "angry" over what happened. What he said was accurate and factual - Chelsea was being put out there, and pushed onto people hard in exchange for support and votes. That is what he said, albeit stupidly to a crowd of people where it just went right over their heads.

You might not use the lexicon, but I do and I know many, many others who do. Hell, I call my cat a little bitch as a term of endearment, as in "Come here you little bitch." Right before I swoop him up into my arms. Am I calling him a female dog? No. I'm using an affectionate term, and anyone who listened to me say it could tell so by my expression, tone and body language. Just like anyone who watches the clip can tell what David meant by his tone of voice.

So, in a nut shell, no it isn't the same. It isn't the same because the event people are so angry over never actually took place in the way that they claim it took place. That would be the equivalent of being mad at Obama for the McClurkin ordeal, except McClurkin never showed up and was never invited. It would have been the equivalent of the African American community getting angry if Bill Clinton had said: "John Edwards won South Carolina in 2004 but did not go on to win the nomination" instead of dismissing them because they were black and supported Jesse in the 80's. That is why it is not the same.

[NMMNG]

80. I'll defer to maddiejoan on this one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4505900#4505981

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Response to Reply #3
4. Hint for ya

Schuster wasn't suggesting that we place rimless hubcaps and a bitchin' sound system on Chelsea.

[Tom Rinaldo]

10. If someone saying that Hillary pimping her daugher isn't bad enough for you

Let me try a different angle. Do you think anyone would have dared comment that John Kerry was pimping out Vanessa and Alexandra when they were out helping his campaign in 2004?

And another point. You do realize how old Chelsea is don't you? She will be 27 in a few weeks. Where on earth did Shuster get his spin that poor Chelsea was being pimped out to do campaign dirty work for Hillary? Chelsea is an adult women for god's sake who is doing political work on behalf of her mother's campaign. If she were a political son at age 27 would anyone think for an instant that she wasn't fully engaged in the political process on her own initiative rather than being "pimped out" by her mother?

Look, I don't want Shuster fired over this, but I think a real suspension, not just a few day slap on the wrist, is in order.

[Meldread]

30. No one is saying it was smart, but it is context that matters.

He did not mean it in a sexual way - as if the Clinton's were physically whoring out their daughter. He meant it exactly the way I explained it in my OP.

It's like the word gay. Gay can be used to describe a feeling of joy or happiness. It can also be used to describe sexual orientation, and in today's culture it is also used to describe something stupid or ridiculous. As in the phrase, "that's so gay."

The phrase whore, raped, and pimped out have similar contextual meanings that have NOTHING to do with literally having sex with another person. Some older folks might not have caught that, but when I was watching the show I didn't even think twice when he said it and was shocked to see that someone complained. There is a serious generational divide, either that or people want to play victims.

Although, on the Clinton's part, I believe it had more to do with them not wanting to debate on MSNBC. They want to debate on Fox... makes you wonder, doesn't it? They are basically using David as an excuse.

[Eric J in MN]

33. Yes, it was a metaphor and not literal. But some metaphors are innappropriate, like this one. NT

NT

[Meldread]

38. I'm not saying it was a good idea to say it.

Frankly, I think it just kinda slipped out. We talk differently when in the company of others, but occasionally when we get conversational (as he was at the time) we tend to relax and talk as we would normally. I don't even think he realized what he said until people complained, but the fact of the matter is his punishment is unfair because his statement was taken out of context.

Had he actually meant that the Clinton's were physically pimping out their daughter, forcing her to turn tricks, it'd be a different story. I'd be outraged and demand that he be fired. That would be wrong, but that isn't what he said or meant and I think everyone knows that.

What I find perplexing is that the Clinton's are using it as an excuse not to debate on MSNBC. They want to debate on Fox, so if I were Obama I'd avoid the Fox debate like the plague. Hillary will likely have them slime the hell out of him on national television because they want Hillary to win the nomination.

[Eric J in MN]

47. I expect that the suspension will be enough for her to debate on MSNBC.

With regard to the wrong words sometimes slipping out, I agree.

But David Schuster could have made a good apology afterwards instead of blaming the perception of his critics, and misleading about what else he said during the broadcast.

If he had made a good apology, I would probably be against the suspension. Since he didn't, I support it.

[Eric J in MN]

32. Actually, Chelsea Clinton is almost 28. NT

NT

[femrap]

44. Great post, Tom Rinaldo. nt

[OKthatsIT]

64. Chelsea, 27 yrs old, Occupation: HEDGE FUNDS

Sounds like a chip off the Clinton block to me.

Nobody's pimpin Chelsea, but Chelsea.

[Yurovsky]

81. That darned pesky 1st Amendment ...

and that nasty freedom of the press.

Please. The guy might have screwed up, but Hillary has said far more viscious things about people with little or no power, and she has NEVER been held accountable.

Was the comment in poor taste? Probably. But that's not illegal in this country, no matter how much money or power Hillary Haliburton has.

[Yurovsky]

82. Dammit ...

just saw the posts directly below mine ...

[islandmkl]

16. That fuckin' First Amendment gets in the way every time.

[mondo joe]

18. Not a first amendment issue. MSNBC is not obliged to give anyone

a platform.

[islandmkl]

22. the penalty for insensitivity is suspension...oh, I do get it...

the First Amendment can be subject to employment. Especially in an area of our society so founded on that Amendment...TV, as much entertainment as it may be, serves as an arm of the Press...sure, and employer can fire or suspend any employee for anything they want...I just am tired of the "don't say the wrong thing" mentality pervaded not only our society, but the board rooms of the Press, in all its forms.

[mondo joe]

26. To the contrary: the First Amendment is not subject to employment - it has nothing

to do with employment. It guarantees that the state will not infringe on free speech. It doesn't mean someone has to put you on TV on their dime to say what you like.

I don't care if he's suspended or not. I didn't care if Imus lost his contract or not. It's between them and their employers.

[BadgerLaw2010]

45. Um, no. No free speech at work.

The First Amendment relates to the *state*. If you think it protects you from action by your employer for things you say on the job, enjoy the unemployment line.

[wryter2000]

19. I'm an Obama supporter, FWIW

It was tasteless and ugly and, frankly, misogynist. No one would tolerate a racial stereotype used in that way. Nor should they!

Given the hideous treatment Chelsea got when her father was first elected, and given the sexual titillation that goes along with the Clinton name (maybe he deserves it, but wife and daughter don't), some real consequences are certainly in order.

And if you want to find hypocrisy here at DU, look at the many "liberal" folks here who gleefully post sexist material.

[MonkeyFunk]

23. and when someone implies

your daughter (or sister or mother) is a whore, I'm sure you won't object.

[Meldread]

66. Depends on the context used.

David wasn't calling Chelsea a whore. Not even close. It is a statement taken out of context.

That's like saying the TV show called "Pimp My Ride" is about a car that is a whore.

[LittleClarkie]

27. Would we have Hillary on a trailer hitch then?

Carted from campaign event to campaign event?

[Meldread]

34. Yes, spit on the under 40 voters some more.

It's not like Hillary needs them. They should be so lucky to carry the Queen's trailer hitch, right? At least her husband lives in the political gutter, so at least we lowly ignorant, brainwashed, uninformed children will have someone to keep us company.

The 1960's are <---- that way. You missed your stop. This is 2008. We use such terms frequently in daily conversation and don't get offended. You can even use the term bitch as a term of endearment now-a-day's. We've come a long way. We are sorry that you could not evolve with us.

[LittleClarkie]

36. Yo dude, I'm on your side. What are you bitching at me for

I was reacting to the OP's comment that pretty soon Hillary will have played the victim card so hard that we'd have to nail her to the cross.

Which reminded me of "Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch" hence the comment.

(Or were you using my post to make a point to the OP? If so then my bad)

[Meldread]

40. LOL. Sorry.

I got carried away.

I'll go back to being a good little bitch now. :hug:

[LittleClarkie]

41. It just occured to me you were using my post to say something about the faux outrage

if so, sorry about that.

I also missed that you're the OP. Oops.

[Meldread]

48. Yeah, I misunderstood your post.

When you talked about hooking Hillary up to a trailer hitch, I thought you were saying: "Yeah, I guess we should all just act like trailer trash."

In effect, calling everyone who uses the phrases and lexicon (read: pretty much everyone I know under 40) uneducated trailer trash, whereas Hillary would be the victimized highly educated and rich white lady who just didn't understand those lowly poor folk's speech.

That's what I thought you meant when I first read it. :P

[LittleClarkie]

51. Here:

Maybe someone could photoshop her face on it.

[Meldread]

57. LOL.

That would be totally bitchin'. ;)

[femrap]

46. With your attitude, you'll

never make to 50. You're one castrated dude...can't have relationships with women and now his sorry butt has problems with his elders. Probably hates his mother....and father.

And obviously hated his teachers....and slept thru all his classes.

[Eric J in MN]

29. If Schuster had made a good apology..

...then I would probably agree that suspending him was too harsh.

Instead, Schuster made a mediocre apology:
a) he accused critics of taking his remark literally (we're not that stupid),

b) he claimed to have praised Chelsea Clinton during the broadcast in ways he didn't (as Media Matter points out), and

c) he implied that his words weren't perjorative but only perceived to be.

By the way, I voted for Barack Obama.

[femrap]

35. So you're a frequent customer of

women who sell their sexuality? You enjoy seeing men making money off of women's work...then beating them...maiming them....even killing them.

Stop making excuses for him....you are a pathetic reason for human flesh. Women deserve respect...even those that for whatever reason are selling their bodies to MALES, who can't seem to have normal relationships with women.

Is that cartoon character gonna save your little ass?

You have problems.

Don't you see that women are sick of being referred to as nothing but sexual objects? Are you dense?

[Meldread]

54. No, are you stupid and out of touch? Yes.

Welcome to 2008. I know it's going to be difficult for you here, being from the past and all, we speak a little differently than you might remember. For example, we no longer use Old English - those thee's and thou's - we through them out awhile ago. Oh, and by the way - you have a pimped out ride, dude. And your clothes - they look totally bitchin'.

Oh dear. I don't think you can make it here after all. You should probably head back to 1612. You should take our Christian Conservatives with you. They too are easily offended and want to censor our language.

[femrap]

56. Little mel hates his mommy....

he hates women and older people. Little mel is a misogynist....go get your dictionary.

You are truly an unenlightened, devolved widdle boy.

You might get further in life if you showed civility to those that different than you.

btw....Christ was one radical dude who treated women with kindness and respect.

you just been sliced and diced...dude. Now go along and play with your toys...I've tired of you.

[Meldread]

58. You're right. I hate my mother, I beat her regularly.

Just like I beat most women I come across. I also club baby seals and burn American flags.

I'm a bad person. Hate me.

[NoBorders]

52. Is it now: CDU?

Capricious Democrat Underground?

[Jamastiene]

60. "I have personally used the phrase "pimped out" (and "raped") in the same context before."

You are PERSONALLY a vile sick disgusting asshole. I hate people like you with a passion you cannot imagine. Welcome to Ignore...only because I can't come through the modem to give you what for PERSONALLY, asshole. Maybe one day you'll be raped and then know what the FUCK it feels like. Rot in Hell, you sick bastard. :mad:

[Meldread]

62. My heart breaks.

I'll never be able to fill the void in my life you've left behind.

:sarcasm:

[Qanisqineq]

78. I hate when people throw those words around

Yes, unless someone has been raped they will never understand how it feels to hear that word used in such a way. I hear it from men all the time and as someone who was raped, it makes me nauseous and my skin crawl.

[Medusa]

71. The whoring continues

The Clinton campaign is getting maximum mileage out of this-and Hillary's martydom continues.

[Meldread]

74. Yes, I know and it's sad...

...that one of our own is now forever going to be marked with this event on his record. Why? Just so the Clinton Campaign can score a few extra minutes of air time.