Obama's not a cult leader. He will give college students $4K every year in exchange for community

[jenmito]

service and he will increase the minimum wage every year to keep up with rising costs. Will Hillary do these things?

[sandnsea]

1. He will index minimum wage

after making it a living wage, to clarify that point. And, to apply for college money you just check a box on your tax return.

[jenmito]

5. Thanks for the clarification.

:hi:

[Tellurian]

41. In Exchange for community service in his new Kingdom?

wow...

Do they gve you a tattoo when you join?

[TexasObserver]

2. She'll talk about it. He'll do it.

[jenmito]

7. Exactly.

:hi:

[rinsd]

14. I thought this was gonna be policy discussion

But so far it looks like mastabatory bs.

[jenmito]

15. It is a policy discussion. Obama's plan is better than Hillary's. n/t

[rinsd]

23. You can't even describe Obama's plan correctly so how can you make that assessment?

Obama doesn't tie the $4K to community service, he offers it as a tax credit to everyone.

(HIllary offers a $3.5K tax credit)

Both plans seek to make more use of Pell grants.

Both plans seek to streamline and make the process easier.

Hillary in addition offers $10K scholarship to anyone who works for a year with AmeriCorps.

Obama college affordability fact sheet - http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/CollegeAffordabilityFactSheet.pdf

Hillary's section on college affordability.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=3671

Unquestioned loyalty to things you don't even seem to have the facts on.

[rinsd]

42. Waht's the matter? No more policy discussion?

[griffi94]

8. bullshit

he won't do it either.....congress won't pass it...even with a dem majority congress won't pass it.

[rinsd]

13. So where is his minimum wage bill?

http://www.senate.gov/~clinton/news/statements/record.cfm?id=254251

[Saturday]

3. Hillary will give us health care. ALL OF US. n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

6. She enroll us in heath insurance.

Not the same thing.

[IronLionZion]

32. nobody gives it to you

you have to pay for it. Obama makes it more affordable and lets you choose if you want it or not.

[Selatius]

4. If the Dems had any real balls on the minimum wage, they would peg it to inflation.

That way, you wouldn't have to wait for a Dem politician to introduce a measure to raise it when it automatically adjusts on its own, but that would mean removing a political football that Dems use to beat on Repubs. My oh my, what would the Dems replace that football with?

[rinsd]

16. Hillary has attempted to tie minimum wage to Congressional pay increases

http://www.senate.gov/~clinton/news/statements/record.cfm?id=254251

Not as robust as tying it to inflation but its a start.

[Selatius]

21. I don't believe it went anywhere. Too much opposition if I recall.

The only bill that passed after the Dems came to power in the current time was one to raise the minimum wage without pegging it to inflation, and looking at how high they raised it, I would say it was woefully inadequate to account for the amount of inflation seen since 1997, the last time it was raised.

[rinsd]

31. Oh I agree. I am just offering what has been submitted.

[Usrename]

19. Don't kid yourself.

They are also the ones who calculate the rate of inflation. :mad:

[rinsd]

9. Hillary will give them $10k for participating in AmeriCorps

College Access

In the 21st century, a college education is more important than ever. Hillary believes it's time for a new bargain with the American people -- a bargain that gives all Americans willing to work hard the tools they need to get ahead. Her plan will make college more affordable and accessible so that every American who has earned it and wants to go has the chance to get a college degree. As president, she will:

* Create a new $3,500 college tax credit.
* Increase the maximum Pell Grant.
* Strengthen community colleges through a $500 million investment.
* Create a graduation fund to increase college graduation rates.
* Increase to $10,000 the college scholarship for those who participate in AmeriCorps full-time for one year.
* Get rid of the red tape in financial aid.
* Hold college costs down and hold colleges accountable for results though an online college cost calculator, a college graduation and employment rate index, and truth in tuition disclosure.
* Challenge selective colleges to expand access for students from low-income communities.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=3671

[maddezmom]

17. my best friends daughter just got accepted and she'll receive $4725

I think that's what she quoted me. So this would be a big improvement.

[sandnsea]

37. Americorps is limited

His plan is for EVERYBODY.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

10. I'm not in a cult because I want change.

[citizen snips]

11. I doubt any college student will take that offer.

Since I am college student

[jenmito]

18. So you're unwilling to do any community service in exchange for $4K every year??

[citizen snips]

20. no

But at least I am honest.

[jenmito]

27. And you're probably in the minority.

[citizen snips]

30. I would rather work at a grocery store

than pick up trash on the side of the road

[fenriswolf]

24. sounds like a great idea

but here is a question. how many hours a day, how many days a week, how many weeks a year? it could very well be that you could make more working a job.

[Selatius]

26. 4000/year is not enough money even for Mississippi universities.

Typical tuition/room and board rates range around 6,000/year at MSU where I attend. I can only imagine how much higher it is in other states.

[jenmito]

33. Not enough? You want to go for FREE? The $4K isn't including other things like

scholarships and grants...

[Selatius]

36. Nothing's free. But I find the current American system of college education taxing for many.

If we look at education systems in Western Europe and Japan, they come out ahead in terms of not accruing debt. The debt load has the side-effect of sapping consumer buying power and disadvantaging the underprivileged and poor.

[rinsd]

28. Um the $4K is a tax credit to everyone, not tied to any community service

Learn your candidate's plan.

This thread has become deliciously ironic.

[Recursion]

35. No, the 4k refundable tuition credit is tied to 100 hours per year of community service

And actually there are two plans being floated; the first is the one in the subject; the second is sort of a civilian GI Bill that adds a creditable 4k credit against tuition in return for community service for 2 years.

[rinsd]

38. Obama's plan says nothing about the $4K rebate being tied to community service

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/CollegeAffordabilityFactSheet.pdf

American Opportunity Tax Credit
Barack Obama will make college affordable for all Americans by creating a new American Opportunity Tax
Credit. This universal and fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is
completely free for most Americans, and will cover two-thirds the cost of tuition at the average public college
or university. And by making the tax credit fully refundable, Obama’s credit will help low-income families that
need it the most. Obama will also ensure that the tax credit is available to families at the time of enrollment by
using prior year’s tax data to deliver the credit at the time that tuition is due, rather than a year or more later
when tax returns are filed.

[Recursion]

44. You get the AOTC in return for either 100 hours of community service per year...

...or in return for teaching or doing other "high need" jobs in certain areas.

Seriously, he talks about this in just about every speech.

[Xipe Totec]

12. Non sequitur

What does the content of your post have to do with the title of your post?

Are you saying Obama is buying support at $4k per head, or are you saying that buying support is proof that he is no cult leader?

If you support Obama, you should not post crap like this.

If it's sarcasm, it's pretty funny.

[jenmito]

22. People here are posting as if he's a cult leader with no policies and his supporters are just

blinded by his "star power" or whatever the latest line is. I'm saying he has real ideas...not just "hope and change" with no substance.

[rinsd]

25. Since you incorrectly surmised his positions while claiming his plan was better...

"blinded by his "star power" or whatever the latest line is."

....how far off is that assessment?

[BlackVelvet04]

29. Really....

he must be richer than I thought.

He isn't giving anybody shit without Congress voting on it. You might want to pull your head out of the clouds or wherever it is.

[rinsd]

34. Irony defined

Offering up the incorrect specifics of your candidate's plan, assessing that the plan is superior to the rival candidates while insisting that people are not blindly following said candidate.

[IronLionZion]

39. Link to his plan if anyone cares.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/education/#higher-education read the full plan at the pdf link at the bottom.

Why can't DUers read the candidates' plans on their motherfucking websites? Why? Just because someone posts something on an online forum, doesn't mean it's entirely accurate. Check everything.

[Scout]

40. all by himself? how is he going to do those things? n/t

[Bitwit1234]

43. Gee if he had showed up to vote for the bill

that was going to help them pay for their tution, that the republicans cut he might have helped them more.....go to the congressional record HE DIDN'T VOTE ON THAT ONE.