Obama thinks Bush did NOT do anything "Grave Enough" to Impeach!

[earth mom]

Obama: Impeachment is not acceptable

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama laid out list of political shortcomings he sees in the Bush administration but said he opposes impeachment for either President George W. Bush or Vice President Dick Cheney.

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"There's a way to bring an end to those practices, you know: vote the bums out," the presidential candidate said, without naming Bush or Cheney. "That's how our system is designed."

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Obama, a Harvard law school graduate and former lecturer on constitutional law at the University of Chicago, said impeachment should not be used as a standard political tool.


"I think you reserve impeachment for grave, grave breaches, and intentional breaches of the president's authority," he said.



http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-06-28-obama-impeachment_N.htm


And Obama calls himself a Constitutional Scholar or Expert?! :wtf:

Wake Up & Smell the Corruption People! This is Disgusting!!! :puke:

Edited to Add:

A MILLION DEAD IN IRAQ! PEOPLE TORTURED! THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR IMPEACHMENT?!!!!

[xultar]

1. Makes sense. He cannot win wanting to impeach or agreeing to impeaching Bush.

[K Gardner]

20. Neither can Hillary. Which is why she doesn't address the issue either. Please be fair.

[xultar]

31. I am being fair. She's already Bush lite right? I mean that is what Obama called her.

She voted for the war right?

So she's already republican in your eyes so why bring her up?

[DURHAM D]

2. Yep - that Obama guy is a real risk taker. n/t

[musette_sf]

3. so does Senator Clinton

think impeachment is acceptable for Bu$hCo?

[xultar]

5. YEah, well that isn't the point. She's already been called Bush Lite by Obama....For change sake

don't you think he'd like to hold the Bush Administration accountable?

[musette_sf]

9. agreed

my comment was an invitation to the OP to tell us why Senator Obama's supposed lack of interest in impeachment... was so much WORSE than Senator Clinton's lack of interest in impeachment.

[earth mom]

14. Probably not. She avoids the question like the plague. Haven't you noticed? nt

[musette_sf]

40. your response begs the question

why the virulent slam on Senator Obama then?

yeah, yeah, i wish Gore would be drafted at the convention too. but for now we have two candidates to choose from.

[earth mom]

54. I want both Hillary & Obama held accountable. And the rest of Congress too. * most of all.

I saw this article posted yesterday and it disappeared. I thought that it should be seen.

The level of denial and blind devotion that's around DU these days is really disturbing to me.

[Araxen]

4. Much better too

bring criminal charges against then when they are out of office so they can't pardon themselves.

[xultar]

7. You can't pardon an impeachment.

[wndycty]

6. And what does Hillary think about impeachment?

:kick:

[xultar]

8. She's already bush lite right so it doesn't matter.

[jlake]

10. Yes and it pisses me off.

But all of our elective officials and party leaders have failed us on this issue.
So why blame Obama?

[earth mom]

11. Very true. We've heard lots of excuses, but this one takes the cake!

Especially since it comes from someone who portrays himself as a man of integrity, Constitutional scholar/expert etc.

I'm sick of the Lies & B.S.! :grr:

[jlake]

15. Well, that is very true.

[sidwill]

16. Stretch

Was Obam speaking directly about Bush when he said this?

Or was it simply his assesment of what role impeachment should play.

If it was the latter then you are putting words in his mouth.

[earth mom]

24. Did you read the OP or the article? Obama flat out said he opposes Impeachment of * & Cheney.

And then went on to explain that what * & Cheney did was not "grave enough" for Impeachment.

Read it yourself.

or

Are you in Complete Denial? :eyes:

[SammyWinstonJack]

36. I vote complete denial. And those saying that Hillary won't go for impeachment either,

Two wrongs don't make it right, as the saying goes.

[earth mom]

38. Exactly. nt

[xultar]

18. They aren't blaming him It basically shows that he's just a politician

because he is doing what he needs to do to win.

If he needed to impeach to win, you bet your ass he'd do it.

[jlake]

21. Yes, I get it.

He is just a politician despite what he claims.

But everyone has let us down, so I find it hard to hold him more accountable.

[xultar]

26. not more accountable. Just accountable. I don't see many Obama supporters

willing to say anything bad about the guy.

Don't you find that strange?

No one is saying put impeachment on his shoulders, but realise he is more like the candidate you dislike than you care to think.

Where it counts he and Hillary are +90% the same. But it is personality and style where they differ

[indepat]

57. And just how many 'puke Congressman did not vote to impeach BC on a single count and just how many

'puke senators failed to vote to convict BC on at least one count (that's all that's needed)? What a bunch of impotent mush-headed weasels for failing to hold 'pukes to a similar standard of accountability. :D

[AtomicKitten]

12. The Dems gave Junior a blank check.

Those that voted YES on the IWR have blood on their hands.

[NightWatcher]

13. ..and HIllary has demanded that he be impeached? has she lead a movement to impeach???

NO

[earth mom]

17. There is NO difference between H & O. nt

[xultar]

22. Not the point. Most Obama supporters already see her as a DINO so what do you care?

Talk about your candidate. This is his stance.

What is funny is Obama is more like Hillary on policy, it is just style and personality where they differ.

[K Gardner]

19. Posted 220 Days Ago... can you find anything more recent? Also, can you enlighten us on Hillary's

stance on impeachment? Was that her taking the 250,000 names to Congress last month?

[earth mom]

28. Who cares how old it is? The point is that Congress is letting * & Co off the hook.

And all this hoopla and popularity contest between Hillary & Obama doesn't erase that fact!

So take Obama off the pedestal you've put him on and get real!

And that goes for Hillary supporters too!

Denial gets you NO WHERE in life!

Read my signature!

[tekisui]

23. HE AUTHORIZED FUCKING TORTURE!!!!

C'mon Obama. Wake up on this one!

[xultar]

29. How would you tell him to deal with this, without asking him to jump on impeacment.

[tekisui]

33. Deliver a speech AND call for Impeachment.

He is a gifted speaker, and has a captive audience, right now. He SHOULD call for Impeachment.

What we have learned this week changes the game. We have an openly admitted War Criminal in the White House. The enite administration is full of War Criminals. We are disgraced in the world community.

Now, it is beyond "criminal wrong doing". Chimp and his ilk are joining the ranks of some of histories worse dictators. THey have to go.

[earth mom]

52. If Obama wants to win the hearts & minds of the true left he would do so. nt

[rateyes]

25. That really sux, and so does Clinton's obvious dodging of the issue.

[Jamastiene]

27. How many Iraqi children's graves and graves of our servicemen and

servicewomen are enough graves for him to finally consider the atrocities that Bush has caused "grave enough?"

[theboss]

30. And so do I

Good times

[earth mom]

32. A million DEAD based on a lie isn't enough to Impeach?

You call that "good times"?!

:wtf:

[theboss]

48. Yep

Good times.

[Hawkowl]

34. Valerie Plame...nt

Just when you think Obama is getting it together, someone has to remind you of his naivete or is it just amoral political calculation. Is he for or against "no one is above the law". Jeezus.

[COFoothills]

35. and neither does Clinton. Or most of the country for that matter.

[earth mom]

37. I have NO doubt MOST of the country wants Impeachment. It's the talking heads who say they don't.

You might want to turn off the liars on Faux, CNN and MSNBC.

[COFoothills]

39. Nah...

My sense is that the country is plenty pissed at him, and rightfully so. But I don't think that most people outside of the fringes put it at that level. Most people thought that the Clinton impeachment was a sham too. Of course, that time, they were right.

[earth mom]

45. Of course they paint it as fringe. It was "fringe" when hundreds of thousands marched on DC/etc too.

:eyes: C'mon now.

FYI-Painting the left as "fringe" is a rethuglican meme. Just ask O'Lielly or Limbaugh.

[JKaiser]

41. He didn't support the war but yet he thinks it's okay that Bush lied about reason for war.....

A MILLION DEAD IN IRAQ! PEOPLE TORTURED! apparently that doesn't bother obama.. but he didn't support the war from the beginning so I guess that's okay..

[ProgressIn2008]

42. There can never be change without justice and accountability.

I will not get over it.

[Dogmudgeon]

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--Hillary does it, too!

[JKaiser]

47. Yeah but OBAMA thinks he is soo great because he didn't support the war..

You would think he would be more aggressive about impeachment..

[earth mom]

49. There is NO excuse for this from either candidate. Simple as that. nt

[incapsulated]

51. lol

If Obama gets the nom, I don't think saying "Hillary does it too" is going to work against McCain, either, heh. I don't know why people here don't get some don't support Hillary either and are *gasp* holding them *both* to account.

I already know I disagree with Clinton, strongly, on many issues.

I've said she is corrupt with lobbyist money like so many politicians. I hated her IWR vote, her bankruptcy vote. I happen to not give a shit about impeachment at this point because it's too late to matter, I would rather criminal charges be brought, but I highly doubt *either* Clinton or Obama will do so.

In other words, she isn't perfect. I'm not looking for perfect, there is no such thing, especially in a *politician* which is what Obama is.

[Prophet 451]

44. Warrantless wiretapping was enough for impeachment

On a pragmatic level, I can understand why he (and Hillary) are pandering like this though.

[in_cog_ni_to]

46. There ya have it! That's what he told me too! AND that is why he doesn't get my vote.

He wants to play nice with these thugs. I'm in no mood.

[K Gardner]

50. And when did Hillary come out in favor of impeachment? Or is she still

triangulating her position.

[in_cog_ni_to]

56. Hillary is more apt to investigate these thugs. Obama has already said he WON'T.

Big difference. Heaven knows she has enough reasons to want them investigated, but after what they did to her and her husband, she most assuredly is looking at "sweet revenge."

The thugs can be prosecuted after they leave office. Barack has already played his sorry cards on this issue. He's going to let the war criminals walk free from all their crimes. I highly doubt Hillary will.

Just so you know, Hillary doesn't control what Congress does.

Barack wants to "move on" and "bring the country together".....they will never pay for their crimes under a Barack Presidency.

[frylock]

61. remind me again how the first president clinton went after the iran/contra players..

oh wait, he didn't do shit. now those same people are working in president shithead's admin. but i'm positive it will be a different story with a clinton II presidency.

[sandnsea]

64. He said he expects the Dept of Justice

to follow where the evidence leads on investigating crimes. That's what he said. He said he wasn't going to use the White House as an investigative wing.

The Clintons have already proven what they do with Bush crimes, they proved it in 1993 and she can't do anything about the war lies because her and her buddies were TELLING THEM.

[Auntie Bush]

53. Plus down right lying to the American people over and over.

If lying to start a war and breaking international treaties isn't impeachable...then what is? Oh, I remember...giving a BJ.

Just another way Obama is triangulating to win the Rethug votes. He'd rather have their votes than bring justice to the American people.
Yet Omamites regularly complain that Clinton triangulates.
Sometimes Obama and his supporters makes me so mad I could spit!

[DiamondJay]

55. piece of shit

he should have said "reserve all options", proof hes pandering to independents

[Enrique]

58. I don't think he's being completely honest

I think he knows the president's actions deserve impeachment, but he also knows it's not good politically.

[TheDoorbellRang]

59. Agree. Neither Obama nor Clinton are for impeachment

Neither one is perfect. But still, they're both better than McCain. :shrug:

[TheDonkey]

60. LOL, glad Hillary is championing impeachment... O WAIT she just went ahead and VOTED for the war

[incapsulated]

62. The OP doesn't like Clinton either, got anything else?

Do Obama supporters have *any other answer* than "Hope", "Change", not Clinton?

[Iceburg]

63. And didn't Obama vote to renew the Patriot act ...I guess that makes him an accomplice of sorts/nt