FACTS *no one* can deny.

[AGirl]

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) "has missed the most votes of any Democratic presidential hopeful in the Senate over the last two months, including a vote on an Iran resolution he has blasted Sen. Hillary Clinton for supporting," CNN reported November 2, 2007.<1> Since September 2007, Obama has missed 80 percent of Senate votes.

Glenn Thrush reported September 24, 2007, in Newsday "Since January 2007, Obama "has racked up three times as many missed votes" as Hillary Clinton, who has missed 28 votes or 8.3 percent, "according to roll call records."<2>

"He's missed 23.7 percent of his votes, according to vote-tracking databases. The issues he did not cast ballots on ranged from the symbolic to the significant, and included measures on abortion, homeland security, bridge safety, foreign aid, the alternative minimum tax and a failed no-confidence vote on Attorney General Alberto Gonzales in June <2007>.


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama:_U.S._presidential_election%2C_2008/Senate_attendance%2C_missed_votes





Hillary is WRONG on many issues, but at least she took a stand on it. You don’t have to vote for her, but it takes more courage to vote for what you believe in than to duck on issues and go campaign for your own presidency instead like Obama had been doing.


People should not be rewarded simply because they lack integrity and knows how to play the game better. Decide for yourself.

[whatchamacallit]

1. Yawn n/t

[AndyA]

2. Congratulations. You are so typical of what is wrong with America today.

Senator Obama has let his constituents down by not representing them.

And you think that's a yawn.

Disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[hfojvt]

7. his constituents just voted for him pretty overwhelmingly

in the Illinois primary. Obama 65% against Clinton 33%. If they, the voters in question, do not mind, then there's no reason that I should.

[AndyA]

12. Again. Typical of what is wrong in America today.

Could you miss that much work and expect to keep your job?

Most couldn't. There should be no double standard for Senators.

[whatchamacallit]

9. You won't mind if I append 'hole' to your name will you?

Hillary has let her constituents down WITH her votes.

[AndyA]

11. Not if you don't mind ******* yourself.

Why do I even bother with a 272 post troll? :eyes:

Go away.

[whatchamacallit]

20. Boy Andy, a little off the deep end this morning aren't we?

How many times were you accused of being a troll when your thread count was 272? Just wonderin....

[karlrschneider]

19. Tell your uncle dad we said hi.

...

[whatchamacallit]

23. Ironic, using something like *that* to say *I'm* "low rent"

You're a real piece of class.

[zanne]

4. I second that yawn.

Another silly attempt at a smear. What else is new?

[BenDavid]

13. when the truth slaps one about the head it is always some

cute expression as though one missing votes on important issues can be just swept away. Obama is a damn huckster.


IF YOU DON'T THINK OBAMA IS PLAYING THE RACE CARD FOR ALL ITS WORTH, JUST ASK YOURSELF THIS, WHY DOES OBAMA CLAIM ONLY HALF HIS HERITAGE? OR DOESN'T HIS MOTHER'S CONTRIBUTION TO HIS GENETIC MAKEUP COUNT? OR BETTER YET, ASK OBAMA!!!

[RaleighNCDUer]

26. OK. I give up on you. You are now my 3rd person on Ignore.

Racist asshole.

[Hepburn]

29. Let me clue you in, OK?

I am a white female and I practiced law for a long time ~~ now retired ~~ and I did a hell of a lot of child custody battles. One day, sitting in the hallway waiting for a hearing on a case wherein I represented a black dad who was divorced from a white mom and they were in the midst of a major disagreement over their half black and half white child, the sister of my client said something to me that has stuck with me over many years.

The sister who is black like her brother ~~ with a black mom and black dad ~~ said to me that to blacks, if a child has just a bit of black blood, that is a black child...and she went on to say, that to whites if a child has a bit of black blood, that child is also a black child. And, ya know, I had to agree with her. I saw that child in that litigation as a black child and she, the sister, also saw the child as a black child even tho the child had a white mom.

That is all I can tell you...but I sure as hell have every time I have seen a mixed race child of black and white found that the vast majority of people consider the child black ~~ not half black ~~ but black. I have no clue why, but this is what I have seen and it is NOTHING unique to Obama and his parentage.

[Indenturedebtor]

49. Please go away

You are playing the race card and that's especially disgusting based on your name and by the fact that you display the shield. You're embarassing me.

[peoli]

38. another vote for the /yawn

[AGirl]

40. yawn. I am tired too. I didn't get much sleep last night.

[Dogmudgeon]

3. It's more like 35% now

That's from early December, probably November 1st published data.

--p!

[AGirl]

5. Thanks for the update.

[moirae]

6. Hard to change things if you don't show up

[niceypoo]

8. Thats one thing I do not care for in him

He tends to vote 'present' on issues for political reasons. A president must be willing to do what is unpopular or take a stand on controversial issues.

[blogslut]

10. Can you answer me this?

ABC news discovered Hillary's campaign had registered two domain names: votingpresent.com and votingpresent.org.

link: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4032659&page=1

When the story first came out, those two domains were sitting on the same server as these other sites registered to the Clinton campaign:

Attacktimeline.com
Attacktimeline.org
Hillaryhub.com
Hillaryiknow.com
Hillaryiknow.org
Hillarystore.com
Hillblazers.com
Hillblazers.net
Hillblazers.org
Momsforhillary.com
Theattacktimeline.com
Theattacktimeline.org
Thehillaryiknow.com
Thehillaryiknow.org

Now, today, those two domains have been moved to a new server. Why is that?

[AGirl]

15. I don't know. What does this has to do with the topic?

[blogslut]

18. It's just interesting that you bring this up at this particular time

I have to wonder if these domains will go live soon.

[AGirl]

I am not sure. I am not involved in Hillary's campaign. lol.

[blogslut]

27. Okay

As I said, it's interesting that you would bring this up at this particular time. :)

[THUNDER HANDS]

14. fortunately for us, they're also facts nobody cares about

[robbedvoter]

16. Having others do the grunt work, taking long vacations, going to bed early

where did I hear about these work habits?
Another uncontested fact: 129 votes "present" as state senator (not 130 - so stop saying that!)

[blm]

17. FACT: Clintons have protected Bush1 for YEARS. You support Hillary you support protecting Bush.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

Thank the media for never discussing this aspect of governing as they dumb down the Dem party the same way they dumbed down the Republicans.

[Clintonista2]

22. You're still trying to push that old chestnut?

[blm]

30. Your lack of concern for open government has been noted many times.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

You're already marked down as supporting closed government.

[Clintonista2]

32. Oh gee, I've been "marked down" on your watchlist

:eyes:

[blm]

52. Nope. Don't need a watch list.

Paying attention is enough.

Try it some time...since the comedian/political analyst thing isn't working for you.

[AGirl]

24. This topic is not about asking people to support Hillary.

[blm]

35. It's about FACTS. And the FACT that has proven most tragic for this nation is that Bushes

have been protected for years by many powerful people including the Clintons.

[AGirl]

36. Again, saying Clinton is bad is not a vote for Obama.

In my mind anyways. And after all, this topic is not about Clinton. The problem with Obama is that you guys can only ask us to support him by talking about how bad Clinton is. This is exactly what Obama wants, I think.

[blm]

42. Obama's FOR open government. That doesn't matter to you that's YOUR shortsightedness

problem.

[Catchawave]

21. Obama clearly doesn't take political risk

which is worrisome to me. How does one Lead without making a few "mistakes" to learn from, to grow and become bigger than the staff he'll be surrounding himself with.

I honestly don't think Obama is running his own campaign, he's just not that quick of a thinker.

[Armstead]

25. You're right in one way....I disagree in another

Senators were elected to be Senators. He should be doing his job more diligently.

However, I don't see it automatically as a matter of lacking integrity or courage. It would depend on the nature of the specific votes, and how important his own vote might have been.

If something is a housekeeping vote or something token or not significant, his skipping it is understandable. It's also understandable if a vote (not an important one) is a foregone conclusion because it is so lopsided one way or another that nothing will change the outcome.

I do feel strongly that he should have showed up for the Iran War Resolution, because of its potential consequences. If he skipped that to avoid taking a stand, that would be unforgivable. I also see it as a bad move if he just didn't want to be botehred....But evenm there, he at least did go on record as being against it, so it wasn't ducking the issue.

[AGirl]

34. Good point but..

Jane Hamsher of Firedoglake wrote December 2, 2007,<18>

"A couple of things stick out. One -- I'd still like to see any indication made by Obama prior to the vote that he opposed the Kyl-Lieberman bill, because I just did not hear it. He doesn't get to campaign now on opposing it after sticking his finger in the wind -- at the time, many were watching that vote as a way to measure how sincere his desire to challenge the foreign policy establishment really was. He didn't vote. For him to pretend now that his opposition was full-throated and sincere is probably the most cynical move I've seen on the Democratic side of the ticket in this campaign."


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama:_U.S._presidential_election%2C_2008/Senate_attendance%2C_missed_votes

[leftynyc]

46. That deserves it's own thread (n/t)

[Occam Bandage]

28. FACTS *no one* can deny.

-I like big butts.
-I cannot lie.

[lligrd]

31. Hillary Voted To Destroy The Country But Obama Didn't Stop

it so we should vote for Hillary?

[AGirl]

41. I didn't ask you to vote Hillary on this topic.

[lligrd]

45. I Didn't Say You Did.

See, two can play this game.

[burythehatchet]

33. "Decide for yourself" - your comedy stylings keep you off the ignore list

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

37. Speaking as one of his constituents

I'm glad he's out campaigning, even if he misses some Senate votes. He can do a lot more good as president than he could ever do in the Senate.

It's almost always clear how these votes are going to go before they happen anyway. Can you provide a list of the resolutions where his vote would have made the difference between it passing and failing?

[AGirl]

39. "Can you provide a list of the resolutions where his vote would have made the difference between

it passing and failing?"


Ah, that’s not the point. It’s not about passing or failing.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

43. then what is the point?

yes he missed votes. I think most people expect that of a Presidential contender. He missed more than Hillary. OK, fair enough. But does that mean anything? Does that have any significance?

I'm not sure that it does, unless his vote, and his vote only, could have made a difference in a close vote.

[AGirl]

44. He didn't just miss more than Hillary

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) "has missed the most votes of any Democratic presidential hopeful in the Senate over the last two months.





So basically, you are saying Hillary’s vote on the iraq war is alright because her vote wouldn’t make a difference anyways. Alright.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

56. two points

1 - time line. he missed more votes over only the last 2 months. what about the past year? the last 2 months seems like a cherry pick to me.

2 - there is a difference between a bill authorizing the use of force in a sovereign country that has not attacked us and a bill regarding, well, just about anything besides the use of lethal force. show me where Obama's missed vote caused a progressive piece of legislation to fail to be passed. then i will raise my eyebrows and take notice.

until then, this is a bunk issue.

[leftynyc]

47. When he's attacking her for voting

for something he couldn't even bother to show up for, it's an issue. Why can't people see this?

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

48. So there aren't any votes where Obama would have made a difference

and you don't live in Illinois, so remind me again why you're so offended by his missed votes?

[jonnyblitz]

51. if you are an Obama supporter I find your screen name ironic. nt

[jenmito]

50. If his last name was "Clinton" he wouldn't have to. Hillary could afford to take time from

campaigning to vote. Obama needs to be out there every minute to try to keep up with the Clinton machine. And he WAS there for votes that he knew would be close, while those he was against, he spoke out against meaning he wasn't scared to give his position on the issue.

[Neo-wobbly]

53. Correction:

it takes more courage to vote for what you believe in

Shouldn't that be "what you are paid to believe in"?

[npincus]

54. Right. Hillary should take great pride in her IWR vote.

She should be very proud of her excellent judgement. In fact, she was better off not reading the NIE prior to her vote- those doubting thomases over at the CIA may have muddied up the waters with fact.

[foerschie]

55. And as I recall

She voted against condemning Move On for the Betray Us ad. Obama was there but chose not to vote.

[AtomicKitten]

57. I have not heard that specious charge lobbed here at DU

more than 5,000 times.