THE CASA THAT HILLARY BUILT

[William769]

Senator Hillary Clinton courted the Latino vote for almost a full year and last night Latino’s saved Super Tuesday for her. Yesterday over 70% of Latino voters overall endorsed the Senator from New York.

The casa that Hillary built could not be stormed by the Knights of Camelot, charmed by anglicizing “Si Se Puede” or persuaded by Spanish language ads.

This is important and here is why:

The Democratic establishment consultant class has long believed that the Latino voter is such a “dependable” “progressive” Democratic vote that it does not deserve respect or attention. The beltway bandits, the State capitol political hacks, and the big city operatives, have always spent the least amount of effort in both time and money courting the Latino vote. Unlike the grand transformational aspects of the Obama candidacy the Obama campaigns’ approach to the Latino vote is basically old school D.C. politics as usual. Last night proved, I hope once and for all, that what was once believed to work with Latinos cannot be relied on any longer.

Washington D.C. consultants need to know that you can’t parachute in a Senator Ted Kennedy, and drop a boat load full of last minute Spanish language media ads ten days before an election, and hope to move any significant block of the Latino electorate.

http://nuestravoice.com/?p=1425

[MannyGoldstein]

1. Clinton's 30-Point Lead Totally Evaporated

Whatever Obama's doing is working quite well, no?

[William769]

2. With Latinos?

No.

[flordehinojos]

3. maya angelou dice,

You may write me down in history

With your bitter, twisted lies,

You may tread me in the very dirt

But still, like dust, I'll rise.


traducción:

Puedes descontarme en la historia

con tus mentiras amargas y torcidas

Puedes arrastrarme por el fango de discordia

pero Yo, como el polvo, me levantaré.

[William769]

4. Talk about two birds with one stone!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Manny Is Becoming Our Personal Pinata

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[flordehinojos]

5. whatever the bushes did worked quite well for them, no?

as maya angelou says in her poem in praise of hillary:

Puedes descontarme en la historia

con tus mentiras amargas y torcidas

Puedes arrastrarme por el fango de discordia

pero Yo, como el polvo, me levantaré.

[William769]

6. Don't worry about manny.

He's still trying to get his panties out of a bunch.

[flordehinojos]

8. ...

;-)

[sendero]

7. There is a real simple reason..

... Obama will have his work cut out for him to win the Latino vote, and anyone with the any familiarity with the culture knows what it is.

[moondust]

9. "Obama endorsed by largest U.S. Spanish-language paper."

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/02/04/obama-mccain-endorsed-by-largest-us-spanish-language-paper/

Apparently Hillary's casa wasn't big enough for everybody. :eyes:

[William769]

10. And yet what happened?

:rofl:

[moondust]

11. You think Latinos follow

the issues more closely than Latino newspapers? I doubt it.

There would seem to be a disconnect between the two.

See Post #7.

[William769]

13. So then what is the point of Post #9?

[moondust]

14. The disconnect. n/t

[susankh4]

12. One thing I am really tired of is.....

the persistence of this notion that, while Barack will easily carry Hillary's constituants.... she will not carry his. The story line is that Hillary needs Barack, but he does not need her. I've even heard Barack say this... on more than one occasion.

In reality, I'd say there is a serious problem looming on BOTH sides of this argument. Both of our dream team candidates need each other. Especially now.... that we have a moderate as the presumed candidate of the GOP.

There are, I suspect, several Hillarians (aren't I hillarious? haha) who will be perfectly comfortable voting for John McCain. I have actually heard that comment on the ground here in Ohio (where the Democratic party's polls show Clinton and Obama in a dead heat at this moment.) It seems a strong sentiment in SE Ohio. Probably partly fueled by racism. Partly by a desire, amongst working class union families, for some kind of an economic "track record." SE Ohio has been very hard hit by the economic slowdown. I drive out to rescue dogs there and I have to tell you... the poverty is quite striking. It is one of the most Dem inclined regions of our state, too. A region that remembers the Clinton years fondly, as a time of prosperity. Whenever I travel east, along SR 52 during election season, I am struck by the difference in yard signs. (In SW Ohio, where I live, the GOP rules.)

Last evening I came across this: http://nuestravoice.com/?p=1425
It's pretty telling I think. Here is at least one other block of Hillarians that would be at least as likely to vote for McCain, as they would Obama. (Remember, McCain's name is on the top of a bill that calls for the kind of immigration reform many latinos want.)

It's seeming pretty clear at this point, that we are going to need our dream team to beat the GOP. Even *with* the dream team.... we have no guarantees, of course. But without both Hillary and Barack on the ticket in November, we are in for a disappointing election.

Quite frankly, the Obama people need to stop talking about all of their voters that will "stay home" if he is not the nominee. Because, while voter turnout will be key for the Dems in the 2008 election. Turnout for the other side is at least twice as bad as staying home altogether.

(This was from my blog today.... and thought I'd share it here as well. Since we both referenced the same article.)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. The Meat....

In the General Election Latinos will have a choice between McCain and a Democrat. Any belief that Latinos will not vote for McCain needs to be shelved immediately, even if the winner is Clinton. All McCain needs in order to retain the White House for the GOP is about 33% of the Latino vote. McCain is well positioned to regain the Latino advantage that Bush has lost. A “traditional” DC insider last minute approach to Latino’s by the eventual Democratic nominee will hand the White House over to the Repubs.

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If Hillary and her Latino supporters are thrown under the bus not only will we lose the Latino vote this election cycle we are in danger of losing the largest (and) fastest growing ethnic group for a generation...

Hillary Clinton has become a voice for the most vulnerable in society and they are not abandoning her nor will she abandon them...

Both Senator Clinton and Senator Obama have strong appeal to important constituencies within our great party... They need to come together for the good of it...