Hillary at Seattle rally:" There isn't anything we can't do."

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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/350572_clinton08.html

Clinton touts experience to 5,000 on waterfront

By ANGELA GALLOWAY
P-I REPORTER

Aiming to co-opt ground on her rival's campaign theme of change, Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton pitched herself as the candidate with the experience and strategies to actually realize that goal in a rally Thursday night.

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"I'm not asking you to take a leap of faith on me," she said at at the Pier 30 warehouse on the southern end of the Seattle waterfront. "I am asking you to join with me to change the world.

"I am so excited about what we can do together and I know very well that if we get our focus right in America there is no stopping us," Clinton said.

…….Hundreds were turned away at the door………

Clinton was optimistic and energetic, if a bit hoarse, in her speech that ran a little longer than 40 minutes. It touched a wide of topics from education, tax fairness, government reform, the national debt and ending the war in Iraq, and was especially heavy with promises about universal health care and energy reform

Ending America's reliance on foreign carbon-based fuel is within reach, she said. "We just have to make up our minds to do it," Clinton said. "We are Americans. There isn't anything we can't do."
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1. and guess what--she talked ISSUES--

[sandnsea]

2. Look who joined the Cult!!!

Hillary's getting people to join her to "change the world" too. That will make it so much easier for Barack to finish the indoctrination.

:bounce:

[dkf]

3. blah blah blah blah.

Even when she tries to be inspirational she is so flat. Tin tongue.

[woolldog]

4. Her lack of originality

is stunning.

[littlebit]

5. I have seen her in person two times

the second time I saw her I got to ask her a question. I expected her to give me a bs response. She didn't. She actually gave me a very detailed response. That was the moment she got my vote.

[rodeodance]

9. hey--great to here that.

[Lucinda]

6. Huge crowd for a last minute rally. Thanks!

:)

[rodeodance]

8. glad to see she went out there.

[Lucinda]

16. Yup. Me too. I feel bad for the overflow people.

Sad they didn't get a chance to hear her. :(

[rodeodance]

7. "Obama has given up on universal health care. .." good line.

In Tacoma, Clinton will focus on her universal health care plan, an issue on which she differs with Obama, at the Memorial Field House on the University of Puget Sound campus at 10:15 a.m. Then she flies to Spokane for an event at the West Central Community Center before departing the state.

Clinton made her plan to establish national coverage built on insurance plans for federal employees a key topic of her speech.

"This is the public passion of my life," she said. "I have a plan that I believe will deliver it.... Senator Obama has given up on universal health care. ... If you believe, as I do, that universal health care must be the goal of the next president, than I'm the only candidate on either side that you should come out and support."

[sandnsea]

21. Except it's a lie and you know it

How can you do this, I do not understand. You know full well her plan is no more guaranteed to cover every person than his. Don't you care about the truth? I don't understand.

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26. I look at her plan as it is--and obama's as it is. Once happens once either

gets to congress is anyones guess.
As it stands now, Obama omits about 15 million (lowest estimate).
he has no mandates but says he will fine parents if they do not buy into the plan.

And I do not appreciate your dig about not caring about the truth!

[sandnsea]

28. It's not a dig

I do not understand it. This has been debunked repeatedly, all over the place by all kinds of experts. Mandates do not create universal coverage. That's all there is to it. You know it. Why do you repeat it? Honestly, I don't understand it.

[rodeodance]

30. maybe not, but at least she will try. O. drops them from the start. Nothing has

been debunked in Hillary's plan.

She is trying right of the start to all covered. Obama does not do that.

[sandnsea]

31. He doesn't drop anybody from the start

That is not true at all. It is completely manufactured. His plan offers a method for every single adult to buy into a choice of health plans.

Hers requires that every single adult buy into a choice of health plans.

:shrug:

The basis of her claim is the word "requires". The figure involved comes from a guess as to how many people would opt out. He isn't dropping anybody, it's a big fat lie.

Her plan will not cover everybody and if she were really trying to she would give everybody a health care card, implement a sliding scale, and get it done.

She isn't telling the truth. She is completely concocting the attack on Obama. You know it.

[rodeodance]

33. What I know right now is that it is apparent that you have not carefully read/

studied his plan.

Obama's plan mandates coverage for children but omit 15-bottom est for adults. Nothing made up by Clinton at all. Check it out.

[sandnsea]

36. You ignored the issue, completely

Children aren't relevant to the 15 million Hillary points to. You just brushed the issue right out of the way because you can't answer it. Why are you doing this? What is the obsession with Hillary?? I honestly don't understand because I believe every person behind every keyboard is real and there is something motivating them to do what they do. This 15 million stuff isn't true.

[Whisp]

10. "there isn't anything we can't do.. to you."

and get away with it.

[dkf]

12. lol. Damn that is what I'm scared of.

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14. pretty stupid if you cannot see that that post is distorted!!

[dkf]

22. The torture thing? I defintely have a problem with that.

Yeah she took it back, but I believe her first answer was her instinctive one.

[dkf]

23. Hillary refused to sign the American Freedom Pledge. Obama did.

“We are Americans, and in our America we do not torture, we do not imprison people without charge or legal remedy, we do not tap people’s phones and emails without a court order, and above all we do not give any President unchecked power.

"I pledge to fight to protect and defend the Constitution from assault by any President."

http://www.americanfreedomcampaign.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=63&Itemid

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13. YOUR quotes are wrong-and your post is RUDE.

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10. "there isn't anything we can't do.. to you."

and get away with it.

[Whisp]

15. and your horse has two left feet.

[Drunken Irishman]

11. Uh oh, nothing we can't do? That sounds a bit cultish!

[murielm99]

17. Obama supporters need to stop spamming this board

with posts that use the word "cult."

It is getting just as boring as the words "hope" and "change."

I was willing to listen to your complaints until they turned into childish wheedling.

[Drunken Irishman]

18. Yes, because it's Obama supporters who are calling Clinton supporters cultists.

Oh wait, it isn't.

Maybe you meant to say Clinton supporters need to stop spamming this board with posts that use the word cult? I only use it because I'm tired of it being used solely for Obama's campaign.

[murielm99]

20. No, that is not what I meant.

I believe that many of you are displaying cult-like behavior.

What is the difference?

In the past there have been many movements. There was the union movement, the civil rights movement, the anti-war movement. During the thirties, there were people like Dorothy Day, with the Catholic Workers movement. The Old Left, whom many of us were willing to listen to, responded to the Depression with the socialist movement.

The difference is that none of these movements had one person who was followed with lemming-like devotion. For example, the civil rights movement had MLK and Malcom, but there were others that you would probably have to look up for yourself. The same is true of all the other movements.

I think that many Dean followers tried to do the same thing to him. I did not see it as much among the Dean supporters where I live, but when I went to D.C. for the March for Women's Lives, I was surprised at the attitudes of many, many of the Dean supporters. Fortunately, Dean is too smart and experienced to allow anything like that to stand. He turned his candidacy into Democracy for America, and put his good ideas to work with the fifty-state strategy for the DNC. I was relieved to see the "Dated Dean, Married Kerry" buttons and stickers.

I don't think Obama is as brainy or as experienced as Dean, and I don't regard him as a team player. For example, at the debate, when he suggested that Hillary's supporters would vote for him as the nominee, but his supporters would not vote for her, I was through regarding him as someone I might vote for in the primary. I regarded that comment as a threat, and very divisive. I know some Democrats who regarded it as reverse racism, since he has garnered about 80% of the AA vote in some places. He is going to split this party. The Obama supporters here, if that is what all of you really are, are good examples of why.

I came in here about 11:00 p.m., to take a break from my work. ALL of the posts about cults that were littering the first page were from Obama supporters. There were seven or eight of them.

I have defended some of you from a few of the more extreme Clinton supporters. In fact, I did that once tonight, and I have alerted on some of those posts. They are not nearly as numerous as the BS you (mostly) newbies have put up here.

I could tell you about some of the mistakes I have seen here in Illinois, from the senate primaries through the Presidential campaign of Obama, and some of the sheer nastiness and anger I have seen in state politics toward any of us who were not willing to endorse him until we had a chance to think about it. I won't do that because I have already mentioned it in other threads. I know Illinois politics, and I know that some of what I have seen is simply not right, even by our often corrupt standards.

Grow up and figure out what politics is like. If someone calls you a name, so what? Figure out if there is any truth in what they are saying, and do something about the way you are campaigning. And if you don't like being called cultists, then don't behave like a cult member.

[Drunken Irishman]

25. And I can say the same about Hillary supports.

But I'm not going to have a discussion with someone so obviously disillusioned.

It is ironic you bitch about Obama supporters hinting of a cult with Clinton and yet you'll prop up the same bullshit coming out of the same media who fought so had to undermine the anti-war movement. Well I've not met one politician who doesn't at some point attract loyal followers. Dean had it, Clinton had 'em and so did McGovern and Kennedy -- yet you don't hear about those cults, but when Obama supporters embrace his message, gotta tramp on it and spin it as if they're evil mindless followers of his message.

So bye, have fun with your trite and your divisive mantra of painting Obama supporters as cultists. You obviously don't get it and you don't pretend to even try. So instead of focusing on this debate anymore, I'm done. If anyone wants to refer to Obama as a cult leader, they can have fun on my ignore list. You're the first.

Sleep well.

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19. they have been like little puppy dogs--pooping all over celebration treads.

[FrenchieCat]

24. There isn't anything that we can't do....sounds cultish to me.

Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.

Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
(Won't apologize for IWR vote, lists excuses)

No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
(Planted questions and scripted Hallmark channel town hall)

No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
(Won't release tax returns)

Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
(Vast right wing conspiracy, media conspiracy)

There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
(Kennedy, Kerry, Moveon, and Culinary Union thrown under the bus)

Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
(Throngs of former Clinton admin. workers and advisers defecting and criticizing and thus being labeled right wing shrills)

There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
(See 90's)

Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
(I won't even touch this one for fear of being flamed to death)

The group/leader is always right.
(Clinton voted against a ban on Daisy cutter use on civilian populations...being defended on DU as just one example)

The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
(It isn't true unless it is posted on hillaryis44 or by Taylor Marsh)

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27. go poop on another thread!

[JI7]

29. she drank the Kool Aid

[sandnsea]

32. BAM! He got her

That's right when it happened. Uh oh. She is sunk for sure.

[rodeodance]

34. happy now? I do not mind the discussion but just to crap on this thread is wrong.

[sandnsea]

35. I know, it got out of hand

But with all you guys cult stuff for weeks now, you have to admit it's funny when she starts using the same language as Obama.