Hillary would make a good President... Obama would make a GREAT President....

[scheming daemons]

..He would transform the image of this country around the world simply by the very act of being elected.

The opinion around the world of this country would do a 180 degree turn... we would prove that we are a TRUE democracy.... a place where a minority with a funny sounding name can become the most powerful person on the planet.


If Hillary wins... the world shrugs.... "America is not a democracy, it's an oligarchy. How DARE they preach to us about democracy."

If McCain wins... the world is enraged... "How can they elect ANOTHER war-mongering white guy? Their elections must be rigged.


But if Obama wins.... the world is pleasantly surprised... "Holy Sh*t! America elected a black man with a muslim-sounding name! Maybe they aren't the 'great satan' after all!"


We can transform our image around the world instantly by electing Barack Obama.


Small minded Hillary Clinton supporters want to call that a "cultish dream"... fine. They would've been calling JFK and Camelot a "cult". They are small people, with old thinking, and their only motivation to support their candidate is some phony "restoration" of the Clinton Presidency to get back at the Right-Wing. They want to relive the 90s....

The 90s are gone, people... that was the little period between the end of the cold war and the beginning of the war on terror. It was a "quiet" time in history. It ain't coming back.

Time to start new... with someone who isn't tied to the Washington elite that gets recycled through administration after administration.

This race really is about the future (Obama) vs the past (Clinton) vs the REALLY past (McCain).

[mtnsnake]

1. "Small minded Hillary Clinton supporters "

:boring:

[saracat]

2. Obama would be a "great president' Based on what? His great experience in the Illinois State Senate ...

Or perhaps his GOTV experience? Give me a freaking break! Obama has all the experience of a small soap dish.The guy has only run against Alan Keyes and now want to be president because we should "believe" ? I cannot support this. I would rather vote for Tinker Bell.It is essentially the same concept.Flame away. I know some will.JMHO.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

3. What experience would have made Edwards a great president?

One term in the Senate and he won some lawsuits? Big deal. :shrug:

[saracat]

15. He is considered the one of the finest trail lawyers in the nation, if not the finest.

he also is considered at least partially responsible for pulling Clinton's butt out of the fire when he served of counsel during the impeachment proceedings.(At the request of Clinton, I might add.) Obama has accomplished nothing comparable.But then , you probably think Clarence Darrow was a nobody too. And there was that little matter of taking down the Jesse Helms machine and defeating a 3 term incumbent.But maybe those aren't enough to be president, but Obama certainly has nothing to compete with. But John isn't in the race anymore so why do you even raise the issue? I guess Obama really doesn't have anything to boast about.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

19. I'm just making the point that it's all about perspective

You think that what John Edwards accomplished as an attorney was important. I can't disagree but I happen to think that what Obama did as a community organizer is important too. You trivialized his GOTV efforts, but the fact is that he registered 150,000 voters in Chicago. What he did was considered a big factor in the election of Carol Mosely Braun to the Senate.

Did you also know that he was endorsed by 85 of the attorneys who are representing detainees at Gitmo? They feel that his proactive stance on restoring habeas corpus and his experience as a Constitutional scholar warranted their recommendation. Granted, it's probably not something he could boast about in public, but I give it a lot of weight. I'm kinda concerned about the Constitution. Speaking of which, both Clinton and Edwards voted for the Patriot Act.

[woolldog]

23. Frankly, I'm shocked

to see an Edwards supporter bringing up the experience argument. Especially you saracat since I often like your posts.

One of the things I LIKE about Edwards and Obama is that they have a lot of out of the beltway experience, Obama as a community organizer, then civil rights attorney, constitutional law professor at uchicago, in addition to the legislative experience which exceeds HRC's.

The bulk of HRC's "experience" was as a corporate lawyer, then First Lady, and then some legislative experience as well (but, in total, less than BO's).

[TwilightGardener]

6. Well, he's now running head-to-head against Hillary Clinton, and has already

beaten the pants off of: Chris Dodd, Joe Biden, Bill Richardson, and John Edwards. They are all obviously much more formidable than Keyes, but Obama outmaneuvered, outcampaigned, and outraised them at every turn. And he has a chance to beat the Clinton Machine for the nom. Sorry, the "he's never had a tough opponent, never ran a national campaign" rationale is pure bullshit.

[niceypoo]

10. I do not recall any rivalry whatsoever between anyone you mention and Obama

Does this mean that Hillary also, "outmaneuvered, outcampaigned, and outraised them at every turn?"

:rofl:

[TwilightGardener]

11. He beat almost an entire field of very respectable candidates. You can ROFL all you want, but

he came out on top--and so did Hillary. So yes, Hillary also beat the field too. Neither stumbled, both played their cards right in the glare of the spotlight. And he has a chance to beat her, too. Not seein' the funny.

[niceypoo]

21. You are drunk on your own kool-aid

Both Hillary and Obama were ordained by the media.

I do note that you have caught yourself though.....

:rofl:

[BrightKnight]

7. promises everything to everyone and where he is weak he claims to

be operating in a whole new political playing field. He is a master of selling nothing.

We really need someone that can solve a mountain of real problems.

[Mojorabbit]

12. I don't care for either of them

but policy wise there is not a whole lot of difference from what I have read. He is a better speaker than she is and seems to be able to inspire a lot of people to believe they can make a difference. Both would make fine presidents.

[Double T]

4. obama would make a great do nothing president...........

he doesn't like to make decisions so EVERYONE will love him. Being president requires a lot more than just being 'present'. HRC if YOU want real action and decisions on issues.

[durrrty libby]

5. lol ............ Delusions of Grandeur as cultists are wont to be

[mitchtv]

8. Lotta fluff from what i've heard

plus some things I don't like. Plus somethings i didn't like but have since changed or deemphasized. I suppose I'll vote for him if he gets the nom, but please don'task me to like it. (Unlike the common refrain from them that they would never vote for Clinton).

[niceypoo]

9. He would transform the image of the country simply by being elected?

Tell us exactly how America is magically transformed? By what process does this transformation come about?

This post is too shallow to fit in my nut dish.

After all of these magical transformations do we get to go to outer space?

[scheming daemons]

13. Transform the IMAGE of America, you dolt.....

...pathetic pathetic.

Keep pushing Obama supporters farther away from Hillary, people.

[saracat]

16. "Image' Because of his reace? Is that it?Nothing else? Sheesh. Voting race or gender is pathetic.

[niceypoo]

22. So you call me names out of frustration.........

You made a frail, unfounded claim, I challenged you to give evidence, you call me names....and you still offer nothing to back your claim.

They call it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem">"The fallacy of ad hominem".

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.

[doyourealize1]

14. Are you kidding me?

So people would go "Holy Sh*t! America elected a black man" but never "Holy Sh*t! America elected a woman"?

[saracat]

17. Either is bad but one is not better than another. Race is not more important than gender and the

opposite is also true.

[TheDonkey]

18. That's really the biggest difference. More of the same or REAL CHANGE

I think Hillary would do fine but Obama would CHANGE America for the better.

[dkf]

20. Obama will have great coattails...therefore he will get more done!

Hillary...not so much.