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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:41 PM Original message |
Hillary's base is the poor and working folks. Can she compete with the deep pockets of Obamites? |
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rwheeler31 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
1. This is such crap. |
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LandOLincoln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. Read 'em and weep: |
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Windy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. That's a rather militant publication you cited... rather fringe. Can't put too much stock into it. |
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LandOLincoln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. I cited two publications. Which one did you have in mind? |
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polpilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:04 AM Response to Reply #40 |
164. Obama supporters include the rich, the poor, the disenfranchised, the old |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:42 AM Response to Reply #28 |
117. Both those guys asked to join Obama's campaign and were rejected. |
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LandOLincoln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:26 AM Response to Reply #117 |
139. Linky? n/t |
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thevoiceofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #28 |
184. CAPPED at 30% |
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ursi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
142. Let's see, I have several poor people in my family ...they split their caucus votes |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #142 |
182. From exit polls, which are far more reliable than your family anecdote. NT |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 08:13 AM Response to Reply #1 |
150. I think the OP s/b "Hillary says Lobbyists are people too..." |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yea right!!! |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
3. Hillary is a corporate lawyer with very deep pockets. I'm sure she will be just fine. |
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Canadian_moderate (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Not if she has short arms |
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faithfulcitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
4. Thanks, this place needed a little humor! LOL |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
5. 70% of her donors have maxed out |
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Windy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. delete |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Interesting. Link please? |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Newsweek |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Thanks very much. I'd be interested to see more breakdown of their |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. What would be interesting... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Sure. I don't expect to see anything like that though. NT |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Well no of course not |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Hm, I was thinking more like that's a degree of data analysis I wouldn't much expect |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Then how do we explain the 70% vs 3% max out |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. In light of the data from Open Secrets in another post it doesn't seem the |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. I must be looking at different numbers |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. I don't know what to make of the word "relies". More of her donors have maxed out |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #62 |
75. Yeah but how many poorer people have given 2300? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. But donors don't come in only two flavors: rich and poor. |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. Right, but I'm saying that's a separate issue |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Agreed. But I think the OP's point was that if Obama's voters are generally |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #50 |
185. There is only one explaination: |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
46. You don't notice the spin in that? |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. Obama has more smaller number support though |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:18 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. I guess I'm not sure where you're going with that. |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. Right.... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #67 |
76. Apologies if I'm being dense. I've had some wine after a hard day. |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. Very true |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Thank you for one of the nicest exchanges I've ever had on GD:P. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. Perhaps |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
31. Which income group does Obama do best with? |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. You keep confusing two separate things |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #42 |
65. Not anymore |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
44. Not true at all |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Mike Gravel has a long way to go though! |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #5 |
177. Bingo! n/t |
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angie_love (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
6. What a load of garbage |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
7. The gossip I heard claims Hillary hangs with the rich... |
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Windy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
8. What a load of crap. Obama has gotten his money from MANY people giving small donations! |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. yeah--and now we are finding out the demographics of those doners. |
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Windy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. its donors...and yes we are. Obama has a cross section |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #19 |
39. Both candidates have cross sections. The fact remains that lower income people |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. lower income whites and hispanics |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Are you suggesting a racial inclination in lower income whites and hispanics but not blacks? |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. No |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. I have not attributed these demographic trends to racism, and I don't now. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #51 |
110. Given all the racism in the upper-class white liberal ranks in my parts... |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:50 AM Response to Reply #110 |
122. I'm white, I'm lower income |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:52 AM Response to Reply #122 |
123. I just said most people in the US are racist... don't you get? |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:03 AM Response to Reply #123 |
126. I AM one of those "working class people". |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:48 AM Response to Reply #47 |
120. I'm white, I'm lower income |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. used to call it the YUPPIE crowd |
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Windy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. I call it farmers and factory workers... and office workers ... and students... |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:54 PM Original message |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. Have You Ever Looked At Exit Polls? |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #8 |
48. Uhh, you've already been proven wrong 6 times in this thread alone |
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journalist3072 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
9. Tavis Smiley was basically talking about this today...saying that the more low-income, poor voters |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. That's true, among white and hispanic voters at least |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. That's odd |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. It's true. Look at the exit polls for any state |
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newmajority (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
13. Complete and total horseshit |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Is that a matter of our opinion or actual primary votes? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #17 |
113. It has nothing to do with Primary votes. Bill and Hillary INVENTED Wal-Mart |
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Windy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. The DLC and its members brought the country nafta... clinton didn't get saddled with its ill effects |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. What is the difference between Obama and the DLC? |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
96. Obama's differences with the DLC are more than the Clintons' -- the latter do much to DEFINE DLC |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 08:59 AM Response to Reply #26 |
154. He's not a member, doesn't support their war, he helped with 50 state strategy |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
16. omg, that is the funniest ever. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. Do you ever read exit poll data? |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. NH exit polls was the last one. :) |
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Windy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. Really, you've got to be kidding me. Billy is going to "cash out" wtih a supermarket magnet |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. We're Mixing Apples And Oranges |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #36 |
56. ha! wrongo. |
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Windy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Volume being the KEY word that should concern the clinton campaign more than dollars |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. Of course. With his greater percentage of higher income voters, he has greater |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #56 |
70. Incorrect. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #56 |
73. That was debunked upthread |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. I stand corrected. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. And a big reason is because Obama's base is far richer than Hillary's |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #81 |
92. lol. sorry, I can't believe that. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. You're in what's called DENIAL. You're refusing to face reality because it doesn't |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:53 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Yup. The exit poll data is very clear on this |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #93 |
98. my reality does not include a warmonger with a resume of such. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Cling to your fantasies if you like. That truly is cultish behavior. |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #100 |
102. sorry to hear you are so numb. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:05 AM Response to Reply #102 |
128. Afraid not. Your rant bears no relevance on the facts. |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #128 |
133. facts are Hillary's vote for the war |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:13 AM Response to Reply #133 |
134. Facts are: Obama voted to fund it. Facts are: Obama wasn't in the senate for the |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:17 AM Response to Reply #134 |
136. I'll go with the 'who knows' instead of 'I definitely know.' nt |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:44 AM Response to Reply #81 |
118. If you think poor people (except the retired elderly) give money to pols you are sadly mistaken |
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gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #81 |
147. I'm not sure how true that is |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #56 |
79. I'm Not Talking About Contributors ...I'm Talking About Voters |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
61. ...and Pears too |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
94. I'm Getting Confused |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #94 |
119. Wait, so you are saying the upper class naturally gravitate towards liberalism |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #36 |
116. "Obama is the candidate of the bourgeoisie. Hillary is the candidate of the proletariat" |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:08 AM Response to Reply #116 |
129. If your friend is near homeless maybe you should take him in instead of being a snark. |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #36 |
180. Hillary candidate of the Lobbyist n/t |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. the larks tongue in aspic version of mac and cheese. ;) |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #16 |
115. The Clintons eat at Applebees. Obama disdains Applebees. Pelosi said |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
32. this is deplorable ....what an embaressment to the Obama campaign |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
34. I think I'll recommend this thread just to shame you |
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pingzing58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
53. The DLC just as bad as Neo-Cons have Obama in their pocket and they're licking their chops. |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
57. Rupert Murdoch, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh seem likely to fundraise for Hillary |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:18 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. talk about swiftboatering.....why are you all so blinded |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #57 |
74. Murdoch's flagship newspaper endorsed Obama |
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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
64. Are you kidding? 90% of Obama's donations are $100 or less. |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
68. Yes, Hillary Clinton is the downtrodden grassroots candidate. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:49 AM Response to Reply #68 |
121. Don't you know, she's trying to return us to the full employment and stable low-pay jobs of the 90s. |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #121 |
187. Bill Clinton's welfare reform showed that he loves the poor so much. |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
71. Obama has raised about $40 million in 2008 from 325,000 donors |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. the median would be a better indicator |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:35 PM Response to Reply #71 |
84. Who has an easier time shelling out $120? |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
83. She's got lobbyists and lobby money. |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Maybe they're poor lobbyists living on the street, barely able to get by |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. That makes sense, since so many of her voters can't afford significant donations. NT |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #83 |
105. She raised less than a million from lobbyists |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #83 |
108. and so does Obama have lobbyists money...you're being duped like the bushies were |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #108 |
189. I haven't been duped. |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
88. Tell It to The Lincoln Bedroom...Or Just Ask Marc and Denise Rich |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Irrelevant. Hillary certainly has some wealthy donors. But overall Obama has |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
97. Former community organizer. Former corporate attorney. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #97 |
101. And that has precisely nothing to do with their voting base. NT |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #97 |
106. Those are Obamite myths |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
99. This oft-cited "salt of the earth" meme for Hillary voters needs MUCH closer scrutiny ... |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:59 AM Response to Reply #99 |
124. Not all of the college towns went for Obama. |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #124 |
144. point well taken. Did the press in MO have demographics on NONblacks voting Obama in the cities |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 08:11 AM Response to Reply #144 |
149. I don't know. |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
103. Yeah, poor Hillary with her $110 million warchest raised from lobbyists |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #103 |
109. She raised less than a million from lobbyists |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #109 |
114. So Hillary has received almost 8 times what Obama has from lobbyists |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:00 AM Response to Reply #114 |
125. And Barack matches her every step of the corporate way |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:04 AM Response to Reply #125 |
127. So you're conceding your original post was bullshit |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:10 AM Response to Reply #127 |
131. Do the math |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #131 |
138. HAHAHA....70% of Hillary's donors have maxed out |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:31 AM Response to Reply #138 |
141. You're quite incorrect - a much greater percentage of Obama donors has maxed out. |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #141 |
148. Ah yes, when the facts are inconvient, simply claim they are wrong n/t |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 08:20 AM Response to Reply #148 |
151. The facts are neither convenient nor inconvenient. They simply don't add up to |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #127 |
145. Azathoth == I think you have hit the nail on the head |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #114 |
132. So what? Individual contributions are significant, and Obama - with his more well heeled |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:17 AM Response to Reply #132 |
135. 70% of Hillary's donors are maxed out |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #135 |
137. You have foolishly confused VOTERS with DONORS. |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #137 |
140. In other words, Hillary is the typical machine candidate |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:33 AM Response to Reply #140 |
143. No, quite incorrect. Hillary is the candidate of the working class because that is who is voting |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:46 AM Response to Reply #143 |
146. So I guess Bush is the candidate of the working class, since that is who voted for him |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 08:21 AM Response to Reply #146 |
152. If you want to argue that, go right ahead. I'd say he's more the candidate of evangelicals, |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 08:57 AM Response to Reply #143 |
153. Hillary WILL unite the republican party n/t |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:01 AM Response to Reply #153 |
155. They'll be united regardless of the Dem candidate. This kind of talk gets tossed out at |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
104. Don't worry plenty of corporate cash for her. |
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DebJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
107. Note that the educated also vote for Obama...not necessarily |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #107 |
111. Another classist for the "uniter" |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:09 AM Response to Reply #107 |
130. You mean the less educated classes don't like to "use their heads"? What an ugly Repupublican |
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VarnettaTuckpocket (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:43 AM Response to Reply #107 |
162. That sort of elitism is disgusting to see on a liberal message board |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #107 |
174. unless they have multiple PhDs, like my husband, and vote for Hillary |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
112. Her bloviated bundlers and corporate toadies are tapped out |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
156. Deep Pockets? This is hillarious. Hillary has the big donors |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:04 AM Response to Reply #156 |
157. Obama's supporters are "regular people who give 20 dollars here and there"? Prove it. |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:08 AM Response to Reply #157 |
158. You already have the Proof |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #158 |
159. That reveals how much they've given - not their income or giving capacity. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
160. what is this about??? |
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workinclasszero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
161. Hillary sold her soul |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #161 |
163. You're clearly not looking at the exit polling. The well heeled are trending toward |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
165. thanks for informing me i'm rich... i never knew how wealthy i was until you just told me... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:12 AM Response to Reply #165 |
166. Don't know if you're rich, but you seem to have some real reading disability. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:22 AM Response to Reply #166 |
169. ah, the stock asshole response from a shillbot... |
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VarnettaTuckpocket (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:26 AM Response to Reply #169 |
170. It is a FACT, confirmed by exit polls, that Obama's supporters (on average) have more money |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #169 |
171. If you can really read that well, your error is yet more grievous for being dishonest |
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VarnettaTuckpocket (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #165 |
167. You mean there's an Obama supporter who isn't rich? I guess that changes everything |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
168. Hillary's for the poor? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #168 |
176. You can debate that. But the poor are for Hillary, among Dems, to a greater degree |
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pberq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
172. You've got to be kidding! |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
173. Clintons actually SERVE the Haves and HaveMores and Dubai and Saudi Arabia and |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #173 |
175. And yet the poor and working class Dems are voting for her. They seem to disagree with your |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #175 |
178. Corporate media helped Bush portray himself as a 'good Christian' too. But any study |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #178 |
179. You are entitled to feel poor and working class democrats are misguided or fooled. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
181. It's quite obvious on DU as well when you see donations drives & reactions |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
183. wow, pass over what you're smoking, stop bogarting the clip! |
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Tropics_Dude83 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
186. The poor and working folk were Walter Mondale's base as well |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
188. That's her base now - now that her rich supporters are maxed out. nt |
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Califooyah Operative (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 01:03 AM Response to Original message |
190. hahahahahahahahahahah |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 01:08 AM Response to Reply #190 |
191. And yet, the low income voters trend for Hillary, the high income voters for Obama. |
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