Do you believe "Clinton used symbols and code words to appeal to racists."

[MethuenProgressive]

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

1. Ok, You've GOT To Give Me The Backstory On This Retarded Meme. I Must've Missed The Reference Thread

[ursi]

3. wtf? give an example of what you are talking about

[sharp_stick]

2. I saw her flash some blood signs

she's losing the crip vote in a big way. I'm now trying to decide if this is the stupidest or just one of the stupidest polls I've answered.

[mmonk]

4. I would have to have all comments to examine

before making a determination. There is no doubt surrogates have done some of that.

[DS1]

5. And her pantsuits certainly don't get any upskirt fetishist votes

:crazy:

[rucky]

6. So it's overwhelmingly "No"

but that won't change your opinion of Obama supporters, will it?

[MethuenProgressive]

8. "but that won't change your opinion of Obama supporters, will it?" Heck no.

Almost every single Obama supporter I know has reasoned and rational logic behind their choice of candidate. But every once in a great while one on DU will say something like this to me. Wow. Just... wow.

[pampango]

10. The way you worded the poll question has a lot to do with the way the voting is going.

See #7.

[MethuenProgressive]

13. The bit "in quotes" is a DU Obama supporter's quote. All I added was the "Do you believe"

And asked, yes or no.

[rucky]

12. Then what's with kool-aid man?

[MethuenProgressive]

14. It's directed at a certain few.

(who claim they have me on ignore)

[rucky]

16. I'll add that note to my dossier. n/t

[pampango]

7. The way the question is worder, the answer is "no". The symbols and

code words were there, but not directed at "racists". Quite the contrary.

I don't think Hillary or Obama would have much luck with the David Duke vote.

[whatchamacallit]

No, but they're probably hoping racists do their bit n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

9. for the record, I voted 'No'

As the admins know via the software.

[Abacus]

11. No. And you still haven't responded to my question

in your other thread.

[TheDeathadder]

15. this poll seems a bit slanderous

and not scientific at all.

[MethuenProgressive]

20. The quote seems a bit slanderous, yes. The poll on it is doing just fine.

[TheDeathadder]

34. the poll borderline suggests a debate of

does Clinton use Racism to win elections. People would be flying off the handle if we asked a poll if Obama used codewords and race for politics.

[MethuenProgressive]

36. I suggest nothing, I just provided a quote and asked 'do you agree'?

"People would be flying off the handle if we asked a poll if Obama used codewords and race for politics."
What's the opposite of "racists"? I would Hope some would answer "Democrats!"

[TheDeathadder]

37. that's what troubles me though

as to many - MANY - Democrats, The Clintons are heroes. I think democrats should be debating the strengths of Clinton/Obama and not something like does The Clintons use codewords of race. Again - if this was a poll and debate of race dealing with Obama, I would assume Democrats would be asking is this a healthy debate.

I don't see how this debate is helping and unify the party. It reminds me of in 2004 democrats debated other democrats on if they thought Kerry was a lair because he threw someone else's medals over the white house fence and not his own. We argued on DU then that it didn't seem like a health debate and it turned out to be a snowball effect toward slander.

I just don't see why we can't debate the strengths of the two candidates and the contrast instead of going into the shadowlands of creating or destroying character. I see more wound than unity.

[mmonk]

17. Some comments have bothered me.

There is the it took a president (LBJ) instead of activists (MLK) to bring about change. And of course the "madrassa" memes from surrogates. That all adds up to a show of lack of character that I took note of. The fact I haven't been using it to attack HRC shows a little character on my part, I think.

[LostinVA]

18. She didn't say it took a president instead of an activist to bring about change

[mmonk]

30. Pardon my wording.

MLK's dream would not have been realized without LBJ passing it. My position is that LBJ wouldn't have been doing it without MLK's activism first and JFK deciding it must be done.

[MethuenProgressive]

27. It wasn't LBJ "instead of" MLK, it was LBJ "and" MLK.

"Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President
Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act," Clinton said. "It took a president to
get it done." (Politico, 1/7/08)
Dr King campaigned for Lyndon Johnson, btw.

[mmonk]

29. Johnson would not have been thinking of passing it

if not for King and others and JFK deciding it should be done.

[MethuenProgressive]

33. The King Encyclopedia has a very good entry on Johnson. Here:

http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/about_king/encyclopedia/johnson_lyndon.htm

Well worth a read.

[mmonk]

40. It is very good and my intention is not an intended slight

of LBJ. My problems with him lay around the Vietnam war, and not civil rights. His great society ended up being somewhat victimized by the war. My original premise is that the heavy lifting for change that took MLK's life was done by activists and shouldn't be subjugated.

[MethuenProgressive]

41. Good post, and you're right. Thanks.

:applause:

[Occam Bandage]

19. Symbols and code words? Yes. To appeal to racists? No.

[MethuenProgressive]

21. What exactly were those symbols and code words used by Clinton?

And to whom were they supposed to appeal?

[Occam Bandage]

22. We've had this discussion before, MP. Forgive me if I don't feel like massaging your memory.

[MethuenProgressive]

23. Link?

At least?

[Occam Bandage]

24. Yes, I think I'll Google our names on this site and then sort through the 1,140 hits...

[MethuenProgressive]

28. 'K.

Ya want I should hold my breath? :hi:

[erebusman]

25. your poll .. should have had at least 1 more option

Your poll should have included at least 1 more option that indicated the person taking the poll doesn't have information for or against this accusation. Why do I have to choose one of two ignorant choices?

peace

[Indenturedebtor]

26. No However...

She certainly has been loading up her stage with Women lately to try and paint this as a feminist movement.

Anyone else see the speech in Worcester a few days back? The one with 30 women and no men up on stage? Shameless.

[Bread and Circus]

31. No, She/they used racist statements to bait Obama to inject race into the process. The hope was to..

cage Obama inside a "racial candidacy" and diminish his broad appeal.

This is chess, not checkers.

[NashVegas]

32. LOL ... And Her Skirt Was Short, Too!

And she wore no panties, your honor!

[MethuenProgressive]

35. What "racist statements"? Quotes and links, please?

Here's a link to the Obama Camp's memo regarding how they can twist Clinton Camp comments into race baiting with the right spin:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html

[surfermaw]

38. Obama and his wife use plain old English

[TheDeathadder]

39. Should we all go crazy now though

with attack and counter attack dealing with race. If we start saying "Clinton this..." shouldn't we also start the whole "Obama that..." and then we're back to throwing race and mud back and forth again? Does that help unify the party? Is this what Obama and Clinton really want us screaming at each other about?

[Jed Dilligan]

42. "Slumlord" nt.

[MethuenProgressive]

44. "Slumlord" is racist?

That's a new one.

[Jed Dilligan]

45. Historically anti-Semitic usage.

[MethuenProgressive]

46. She used an anti-Semitic code word to describe a Syrian linked to Obama?

Not buying the "historically anti-Semitic" usage, at any rate.

[Jed Dilligan]

47. I don't expect you to listen to or learn about a complex history.

But her using that word was what turned me, in one moment, from neutrality to violent opposition.

[MethuenProgressive]

48. You should learn more about our language then.

If your misunderstanding of one word can shake you so, you should at least try to improve your vocabulary.

[Jed Dilligan]

49. Typical pointless attack.

I have a Master's degree in English and will take you on in Scrabble any day, child.

[MethuenProgressive]

50. Super. You can spell words you don't understand.

And Clinton used "slumlord" (well known as an anti-semitic code word in Scrabble circles) to smear a Syrian connected to Obama.
Who writes your stuff? You should be doing stand-up. No, really.

[Jed Dilligan]

51. Look up Semite on Wikipedia

Google jewish+slumlord+ghetto if you dare.

This is a game to you. But my forebears who were Jewish inner-city business owners suffered horribly from the divisive politics that Hillary dredged up that day.

As an atheist American of Jewish descent, I'm not caught up in the religious politics that divide Jew and Arab. In fact my domestic partner is a beautiful Arab-American woman. Because I'm not blinded by Zionism, I can easily see the parallels between my Jews like my grandfather and the Arabs and Middle Easterners who do business in the black ghetto today.

I won't lecture you on the moment when the Blackstone Rangers moved in on the southside, or tales of racist white cops taking protection money and smashing windows. Whatever Rovian genius slipped that word into her debating prep was certainly aware of the history, though.

edit for typo

[MethuenProgressive]

52. Claiming Clinton intentionally used 'slumlord' as an "anti-semitic code word" is insane,

Look insane up on Wikipedia.
Google out+of+my+freaking+mind+with+Hillary+hatred if you dare.
"Clinton called a Syrian slumlord a slumlord because its an anti-semitic code word..."

[Jed Dilligan]

53. You can insult me all you like

I wonder though, are you doing it because you think it will change my mind? Or because you think it makes me look bad to anyone reading this thread?

You look bad when you do it--that's all it does.

[MethuenProgressive]

54. Jed, Jed, Jed...

You say something so bizarre that it can only be excused as ignorance or humor, call me child, and then cry that you've been insulted?
Claiming Clinton intentionaly was fed an anti-Semitic code word by her Rovian puppet masters to describe a Syrian linked to Obama is insane.
You might want to protect your ego by calling that an insult if you need to, you know how fragile your hold on the real world really is, we can only guess.

[Jed Dilligan]

55. Whatever, dude.

This shit is real to me, and you only display your ignorance when you belittle it. Anyone who has read this thread can see how childish you are, so I don't think "child" was out of line.

Go ahead and support your blue blooded WASP candidate. I am gleeful at my first chance to support anything else!

[Radical Activist]

43. "He can't win in all parts of America"

Oh wait, that was Edwards.