"I won't let anyone swiftboat this country's future." - Hillary Clinton

[Apollo11]

Check out Hillary's Super Tuesday Night Speech over on the Political Videos Forum! B-)

Here's the link:

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x91315

[Red Zelda]

1. Liar

That's all that needs to be said. How Rupert, Hil?

[maddiejoan]

4. Hmm

and I could have sworn Rupert's newspaper endorsed Obama.

[rateyes]

12. And, I could have sworn that the Federal Election Commission

shows that the only Presidential Candidate Murdoch has given to, Democratic or Republican, in this election cycle (not to mention the fundraiser he held on her behalf) is Hillary Clinton.

MURDOCH, RUPERT
NEW YORK, NY 10036
NEWS CORPORATION/CHAIRMAN/CEO

CLINTON, HILLARY RODHAM
VIA FRIENDS OF HILLARY
07/26/2006 2100.00 26020631605
07/26/2006 2100.00 26020631605

http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/qind/

He gave to McCain in the 04 election cycle...but, only to Clinton during this one.

Interesting, huh?

[maddiejoan]

14. A bit uninteresting really

Murdoch donates to just about every NY politician

[rateyes]

21. Not according to the FEC website where his donations are

required to be posted. See the post below this one--it was meant for you, not for myself.

The only New Yorker Murdoch has given to has been Hillary Clinton.

www.fec.gov

Do the search yourself.

[rateyes]

19. Does he now?

If so, the FEC isn't reporting it as required. The ONLY NY Candidate on the page with his contributions listed is Hillary Clinton.

Go here:

www.fec.gov

and follow the links to "Individual Search" Type in Murdoch, Rupert and see for yourself.

[TheDeathadder]

49. why is she a liar?

her record shows she has always faced attacked straight ahead and directly. Kerry was swiftboated because he tried to avoid facing the attacks. I hardly think her record of facing attacks and resolving them would label her a lair. C'mon there's no need to call fellow democrats lairs, is there?

[MethuenProgressive]

2. After the success of Obama's Swiftboating of both Clintons on Race,

I'm glad she's finally firing a warning shot across the bow.

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

5. Hillary was much more positive in her speech, Obama went on the attack in his. Positive?

You want positive, vote for Hillary.

[displacedtexan]

8. She congratulated Obama in her speech.

That was cool.

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. And HE bashed HER in his speech.

:( That was disgusting. He can't even be gracious on Primary night.

[rodeodance]

25. He has been doing it his stump speeches also-while Clinto talke policy.

[displacedtexan]

40. I noticed that. n/t

[rodeodance]

28. I had not thought of that whole issue in terms of swiftboating--but it sure fits .

[Iwasthere]

3. WTF is that supposed to mean? "swifbaot this countrys future"

[Missy M]

6. Come on.....

you know what she means.

[Tom Rinaldo]

7. She was talking about how she will stand up to the Republicans in Novemeber

She would not let them lie their way back into the White House and prevent Democrats from reverseing the wrong course the Bush Administration set this nation on.

[MH1]

20. I'm going to bookmark that

if she's the nominee, you can trust I will trot it out after the election of McCain, to remind everyone how she promised to "fight" and failed.

[RaleighNCDUer]

31. As if SHE would actually change anything?

If the Clintons were interested in reversing the wrong course, why did Bill kill the investigations into BCCI, Iran/Contra, CIA drug running...?

And what makes you think she's do anything different, with her touting her 'experience' rather than 'change'?

[Tom Rinaldo]

34. Next time I shouldn't bother to answer someone's direct question

with a real reply. I'll just substitute debating points like everyone else around here.

[Apollo11]

9. If Hillary is the nominee, she will fight back against GOP attacks.

She won't let them win the election by spreading lies and smears.

[RaleighNCDUer]

32. They won't have to.

The truth will suffice.

[blm]

39. You know - what Bill did in order to protect GHWBush throughout the 90s on all the

outstanding matters that should have put BushInc in jail by the end of 1994 instead of regrouping and gathering strength to plan their return in 2000.


Bill Clinton swiftboated Dem party and this country by siding with Poppy Bush and his cronies over the truth that would have prevented Bush2, 9-11, and future war with Iran.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

Gee - that's all.

[RaleighNCDUer]

42. I've been typing myself hoarse saying the same thing.

Exerpted from your link:

"Yet, before Democrats endorse the DLC’s don’t-look-back advice, they might want to examine the consequences of Clinton’s decision in 1993-94 to help the Republicans sweep the Reagan-Bush scandals under the rug. Most of what Clinton hoped for – bipartisanship and support for his domestic policies – never materialized."

Written, preciently BEFORE the Democratic congressional leadership took impeachment off the table, following the same misbegotten policy.

[blm]

44. Exactly - the same DUers bemoaning weak Dem opposition THINK Clintons are the answer when

there isn't a Democrat alive who has given in and PROTECTED BushInc more than Bill Clinton has.

And he protected Poppy so much that now HE has to answer for those crimes, too. WE didn't do that to Clinton. He did it to himself and to us.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

52. What do you think about this?

Clinton Stumps for Kerry in Nevada

"Kerry will do better," he said, describing how the Democratic candidate has a plan to add 40,000 more troops in Iraq, double the size of the Special Forces, increase international cooperation and improve homeland security. "We're not spending any money on homeland security," he said. "You ought to be concerned about that."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11027-2004Oct30.html

Sounds "surge-like."

[blm]

53. That was when stabilizing Iraq would bring in UN and NATO forces.

Surely you wouldn't take a quote OUT OF IT'S TIMEFRAME and dealing with the reality of the situation as it EXISTED at that point?

You forget that Kofi Annan was Kerry's very close friend and likely consulted Kerry on what it would take to get UN to take over in Iraq?

Kerry's plan at the time would have likely worked so he could get the troops started home within 6 months of taking office - the part of his plan that you ignore.

[faithfulcitizen]

10. They have aleady swiftboated her.

:think:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Unsuccessfully So Far

~

[Captain Hilts]

22. ...and she's still floating....nt

[tired_old_fireman]

13. I think she took a little shot at Kerry with this line

[Apollo11]

29. Well, seeing as how Kerry endorsed Obama ...

I think it's legitimate for Hillary to point out that she is a tougher political fighter than John Kerry.

Hillary is saying that if she is the nominee there is no way she will let attacks go unanswered.

Or in other words - she is not a wimp like the guy we nominated last time around.

[karynnj]

50. Well look back at how she has handled normal political attacks

She sends Bill out to yell at everyone - special bonus wagging his finger. When that doesn't work, she looks like she's going to cry - and it becomes a new story.

You know that Kerry did respond in 2004 - he gave the media ample proof. The official record backed him 100% and they had it before the attacks. They also - due to tapes noone was suppose to hear - had the Nixon people saying he was a clean cut war hero - it was obvious they looked for dirt two years after the fact and found none. That is far more than what Carville et al got to the medai to counter problems with Bill. I seriously doubt that you have shown the courage that Kerry has shown in his life.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

15. That Was A Great Line Wasn't It?

[karynnj]

26. No it wasn't - it was cheap and tawdry

and given the accepted meaning of swiftboating, it makes no sense.

[rodeodance]

38. and you the 'accepted' mean? Is it a valid meaning? Did you clear it with some "authority"

[Inuca]

47. What do YOU think it means? n/t

[karynnj]

48. that tells me more than I need to know about you

Even the far right has whined that it has come to mean the despicable lies told about told about a highly decorated war hero for political purposes. But then HRC did marry the guy who spoke of some loathing the military.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

45. It Was A GREAT Line.

You know it. You hate it, but you know it.

:rofl:

[TexasObserver]

16. Hillary is already swiftboating this country's future.

She means she won't let any one else swiftboat it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. I saw it last night and it's GREAT. At least she didn't drone on and on and on like other candidates

did.

[Apollo11]

30. Obama spoke for around 22 minutes.

Hillary said twice as much in half the time.

Kudos to whoever wrote her speech! B-)

[applegrove]

35. Yes it was a good speech. I liked how it ended with "give us".

[Apollo11]

36. Dam right!

So today we say with one voice:
Give us the child who wants to learn,
give us the people in need of work,
give us the veterans who need our care.

We say give us this economy to rebuild and this war to end.

Give us this nation to heal, this world to lead, this moment to seize.


Who knew that Hillary could be so inspiring? :eyes:

[applegrove]

43. She needs to make more prepared speeches like that than speak

off the cuff. She is good adhoc but it doesn't hurt to put some poetry in the mix.

[in_cog_ni_to]

41. Honestly. I thought he'd never shut up. He did his entire stump speech with the added Hillary

bashing for good measure.:(

[OnionPatch]

23. I did like that line!

Points scored for Hillary. I voted for Obama, but I can give kudos where they are due. I liked this line. Kerry was such a milquetoast. He should have come out against those swiftboat liars full force with everything he had.

[karynnj]

24. What does this mean?

I tried to understand it and can't.

So here are the interpretations, I come up with:
1) She thinks other countries are damaging the US reputation by lies and innuendo. (Gee - I thought it was the bad things Bush did)
2) She has a major case of L'etat est moi and she believes Bill Clinton when he seemed to say that she was swiftboated when the other Democrats attacked her answers.


Then stepping away - I wonder if she is trying to change the meaning of the word away from despicable political lies to something like "sink", likely to get back at Senator Kerry. Given that these same people are poised to put their money behind a campaign against her or Obama, this is not only disgusting - it is counterproductive. The best defense against them is to be able to point at the money behind the future smears and show it is from these discredited people.

[rodeodance]

27. Don't play the WORM game in reverse--look at the context and it stands fine.

[karynnj]

33. The line was quoted alone and I did not want to watch the HRC video

in its entirety to hear it. It takes the meaning that the SBVT themselves assigned. I have no idea what the WORM game means.

If that sentence is continually quoted as it was here, it will support that meaning. I am sick of BOTH Clintons politically using that word.

[rodeodance]

37. "She was talking about how she will stand up to the Republicans in Novemeber"--from obove post and

WORM is What Obama Really Meant

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

46. It's a very crombulent campaign slogan.

[Apollo11]

51. Kick

:kick: