He won more states and more delegates and HC is being held up the HUGH winner ? I am so confused

[Iwasthere]

What am I missing?

[Saturday]

1. He didn't win more delegates. n/t

[tekisui]

11. That's as of yet unknown.

[ccpup]

2. the delegate-rich States of CA, NY, NJ, AK

that the Democrat would need in the General.

[Seen the light]

13. Are you saying that McCain would beat Obama in those blue states?

:rofl:

[ccpup]

17. not sure where I said that.

put words into people's mouths much?

[displacedtexan]

3. Where did you find this "more delegates" info?

Got a link?

[joshcryer]

5. Obama camp claimed a win in delegates before they were even counted.

No link, sorry. I saw it was on politico.

[Benhurst]

7. Yeah, pure spin, like "Hope" and "Change."

Obama did quite well yesterday, as did Hillary.

It's too bad the truth is no longer considered sufficient.

[SoxFan]

9. NBC's "First Read"

It looks like Obama, by the narrowest of margins, won last night’s delegate hunt. By our estimates, he picked up 840 to 849 delegates versus 829-838 for Clinton; the Obama camp projects winning by nine delegates (845-836).

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/06/642567.aspx

[GCP]

4. She won CA, NY and FL

Huge wins

[stillcool]

21. She won "all" the delegates?

[blm]

6. HEAVY SPIN is setting in - Spin Cycle Clinton style. They needed a HUGE win yesterday

and they didn't get it so they're piling on the spin.

Damn - imagine if they had taken on that responsibility to control perception just ONCE and dug in to oppose Bush the last 7 years........just once.

[Iwasthere]

10. Media is buying the spin... arggghhhh!!

[blm]

12. Not for long. Reality will set in soon enough. Obama is going into states strong for him

and with a HUGE money advantage.

Hillary is now in a very uphill struggle. Yesterday was supposed to be a cakewalk as they had planned for 8 years.

[Tom Rinaldo]

8. The popular vote.

Hillary got more overall votes last night than Obama for one thing. And she will end up with more delegates also. And she deflated the growing avalanche of a meme that the Kennedy endorsements were going to totally reshape the race when she won MA and CA.

[liberalnurse]

14. Hillary won the States that must be won in the General Election .

She will also take Ohio then Texas and Pennsylvania. These states must be won in the General via Electoral College. I did a thread late last night on this. :)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4428792

[scheming daemons]

15. Meaningless.... ANY Democrat wins those states in the general election...

the only way we're going to win the general election is to peel off some red states.

CA and NY will go Democratic no matter who our nominee is.

[liberalnurse]

22. What Obama won was "nice"

but he can't win the Crown without the "Golden Fleece" of Must Win Electorate States". The only one he got was Illinois , his home state. He knows that, I
know that and the Media will pick up on this very soon. I have already heard Andrea Mitchell this AM on Morning Joe. Listen and Learn.

[tridim]

16. Are you saying Obama wont win those blue states?

Come on.

[UALRBSofL]

18. I think Florida has to be considered

I live in Florida and for whatever reason Hillary is liked by us. I suppose it is because of the senior citizen population.

[beyurslf]

19. He won a lot of states that we will lose in Nov. I think that is part of it.

He also won a lot of small states.

I personally think it was a tie but the big mo seems behind Obama.

[Hippo_Tron]

28. You seem like a cool-headed Clinton supporter, and I agree that it was a tie

But I want to ask you a question. I'm not suggesting that you are doing this but others seem to be doing so. Don't you think it's a bit arrogant to suggest that Obama's victories are less important because those states will go red in November. To me that seems to be suggesting that we only want Democrats who live in blue states to pick our nominee but Democrats in red states should not have a say. 35-40% of the people in a lot of these red states are Democrats. Why should they be less important than a Democrat in Massachusetts or California?

[beyurslf]

29. We're not less important. But if you are looking for the voters that drive the

Dem party, I wouldn't come to my city (Wichita, KS)--even though I am a big liberal Dem. I recognize I live in a very conservative state. What good would it do to win over KS and lose CA? I don't think that would happen. I believe it is worthy of note that Obama won states yesterday that he is highly unlikely to win in Nov should he be the nominee.

I think Obama would make a great President, by the way. I also believe Hillary would make a great President. It came down to who is better prepared to win and I believe Hillary is better prepared to battle the R's in the fall. We can't afford to lose this election. I am prepared to happily campiagn and vote for whoever wins our nomination though.

[demokatgurrl]

20. That's HUGE, not HUGH. n/t

[Iwasthere]

24. You must be new

It is HUGH

[dionysus]

25. you forgot to add the !!!11!!!!!1

;)

[Jennicut]

23. The northeast and California are Democrats all the time

except for maybe NH. This is a ridiculous argument. The primaries on the Democratic side are given proportionately. That means if a state is somewhat close than the person who comes in second can still keep things close or if they win smaller states by wider margins can end up having overall more delegates than a candidate who won the "big" states outright. The Republicans have lots of winner take all states which is why McCain is flying away with the nomination. I guess (at least in my lifetime, I'm 32) we have never seen a primary race so close. We are not used to counting delegates like this. Chuck Todd on MSNBC was predicting throughout the night that Obama could actually come up with more delegates even if he didn't win NY or CA. It really does not matter if Hillary won a state outright except for how many delegates she got from it. Its not the popular vote that counts. Its the delegates. I don't know if I like this system or the electoral college (because of 2000) but its the system in place right now. Every Dem nominee should win NY and CA and most of the Northeast States. That's the "blue states" . Only Florida could be argued for Hillary being an advantage if she was in the general election against McCain but I really have given up on Florida. Its a corrupt state. I think the Repubs will always have some kind of hold on it. But Obama may be very strong in midwest which vs McCain could be interesting. Either way we would have stong candidates to go up against McCain so stop bickering and lets get down to supporting our candidate and then supporting our party when the nominee is determined.

[pampango]

26. We have dueling "MSM favors Hillary" vs "MSM favors Obama" posts all over GDP. n/t

[Hippo_Tron]

27. Because Alaska, Idaho, North Dakota, Utah, and Kansas don't matter...

Even though there are many Democrats in those states, they go red in November. Since Massachusetts, California, and New Jersey go blue in November Democrats in those states are more important.

Oh yea and Alabama and Georgia don't matter either, since Obama won there because of black votes.

This is the sort of arrogance that leaves us always coming up short in the electoral college.