For Hillary supporters only. T or F? The media has been a tougher opponent than Obama

[billbuckhead]

[Olney Blue]

I'm very concerned about the media in this campaign.

[neutron]

3. We dropped cable -

political coverage is nothing but infommercial for candidates who will
be easy on corpoate medical interests.

[rhett o rick]

36. What? You continually quote CNN and MSNBC. nm

[billbuckhead]

37. They have websites in case you never noticed.

<http://www.cnn.com/>

[rhett o rick]

38. so you are defending this troll? nm

[billbuckhead]

39. I'm defending reality

One can use CNN and MSNBC as new sources without owning a Boob Tube. Why someone would is another question.

[rhett o rick]

41. plezzzzzz save me from reality. nm

[Olney Blue]

1. I'm very concerned about the media in this campaign.

[NavyDavy]

2. it always has been for Dems

[OHdem10]

4. I monitor TV. There appears to be a concerted effort to

make Obama the nominee. This am I got so nauseated with Tim
Russert and the Scarborough crowd trying to say the candidates
were in a tie.

Let us be honest here folks. If this had been any other Democrat
than Obama. The headline this morning would have been Hilry
Won--Tales Both Coasts and all large states. Congratulations
Hilary.

Karl Rove, who usually makes me cringe in anger gave more
ojectives analysis than any so called Media Person.
He watched and analyzed on Fox last night.

He explained: the fact is Obama picked up a lot of thow away states
Does anyone in their right mind really believe Democrats will
will win states like Idaho in the General Election. These
states were uncontested. Clinton did not spend money or time
there. It was nice Obama went to these states. When the votes
really count in the GE these will be red states.

He said you cannot honestly deny HRC was the winner. Of course
the Democratic Party can do what it will.

[joshcryer]

8. It is unfortunate that most of the states Obama won will go red.

[Tellurian]

46. They were red to begin with..and All caucus states..

[cali]

5. Yes, of course. make excuses. typical of you

it's all the mean old media. Obama has nothing to do with her failure to wrap up the nomination.

:rofl:

Oh, and don't bother. You don't get to tell people where they can and can't post.

[joshcryer]

7. If you can't accept that the MSM is creating a horse race and has been for quite awhile...

...then you are the one delusional here.

[cali]

27. no, dear

it's not nearly as simple as that. The media is PART of it, not the whole thing. If you can't accept that too many people Obama is preferable to Hill, you aren't dealing with reality.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

6. No question about it.

Maybe that's why Obama's team doesn't fight as tough as Clinton's - the media's doing all the work for him.

Not implying collusion - just saying, why should Team Obama duplicate effort.

I also think they're less skittish about criticizing a white woman than a black man.

If Obama becomes our nominee, we'll see if they extend the behavior by attacking McCain.

[Mass]

9. In that case, it is a bad sign for her for the GE. May be you should think twice supporting her.

She only got half of the popular vote and less states than her opponents in an electorate that is overall favorable to her (I do not hate her, I prefer Obama). How will she do when she will have to fight against the media in an unfavorable environment?

[joshcryer]

11. I think she did rather well in spite of the coverage.

This means that she's vetted.

[juajen]

30. You ain't seen nothing yet

If Obama should win the nomination, the media will tear him to pieces. That's what this game is all about. They've bet on the Obama horse to lose to McCain or the pug nominee. Swiftboating will be, well, swift.

[Maribelle]

10. I would like to see whom Hillary supporters believe have NOT been openly biased against her.

I'll bet it will be a terribly short list.

I have looked for places to hang out where I could get unbiased political news, and not have to endure the hate rant du jour against Hillary.

Forget ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC. Hillary hate personified, these stations are.

I totally gave up on netroots, even before they acted like animals and ignorantly booed her. Their negatives against Hillary way back then and up to this very second far outweigh any of their fake platitudes they occasionally post attempting to pretend they are level headed and not hate-filled politically biased shop worn alligators with breaths of swamp gas.



I would like to know of any that are truly balanced, even if they are the last bastion of intelligence.

[Mass]

12. Well, apparently, in my state, my two senators were very biased, but the other establishment people

were just fine endorsing her (3 congresspeople, the State House and Senate president, Boston Mayor, ...)

It is absolutely hilarious (and not surprising for excited supporters).

[Maribelle]

14. Last night on CNN or MSNBC the anchor said every elected official in Massachusetts was against her

Its difficult to slice through the constant bombardment of absolute lies against Hillary. And it was an easy task for me to find the many elected officials in Massachusetts that supported Hillary, the mayor of Boston being a big one.

[Mass]

17. How is it a lie against her. Look on DU. Her supporters have been insulting Kennedy and Kerry

while they had most of the MA establishment in his corner. BTW, Menino did not help her. Obama won Boston handily.

[Maribelle]

23. Some are saying in a precinct by precinct breakdown of Boston .....

Obama won all the black neighborhoods thanks to the governor, while Hillary fared well in the rest, thanks to the Mayor of Boston.

I'll search for it online and post it back here.


It's truly sad to see Boston sliced along racial lines like this; but hell this is what Obama wanted.

[Mass]

26. My very white town of Belmont voted for him, about 2 to 1.

but thanks for racial baiting anyway.

[Maribelle]

31. Belmont - Clinton 3,120 Obama 3,552 (not hardly 2 - 1)

By the way - Belmont is not Boston, to which I was referring.

And discussing the results based on race is not racial baiting. Give it a rest.

In 2002 Belmont reported that 1.1% of its population were African American, could be higher than this six years later.

[Maribelle]

16. What do you think of a presidential candidate not even able to pronounce the name of your state???

As Obama consistently calls it: Massatoosets.

Shouldn't it be a prerequisite that a presidential candidate at least be able to pronounce at least all of the consonants in a state's name correctly?

[Mass]

19. Sigh - Sorry, I made a mistake on you, apparently.\nt

[Maribelle]

25. I am truly sorry you can dish it out but not take it.

I saw above where you were trying to dissuade Hillary supporters.

You should be sighing, at yourself.

[Mass]

28. All I am saying is; if your candidate cannot fight the media NOW, it is a bad sign for her.

I did not post the OP that states that the media are a tougher opponent than Obama. One of her supporters posted it. If he cannot see how it would be a bad sign for her, it is not my fault. (and BTW, my answer to the OP would be NO, we got three years of media telling us that she was the only likely nominee, so may be you are not used to see the media say that Obama is a real contender, but they are not any tougher with her than they have been with Kerry , with Gore, or any other Democratic nominee, and it never stopped them from winning the nomination handily). Just get used to it because it will not get any better.

[Maribelle]

29. But did the OP even hint at the fact the Hillary cannot fight them?

She is doing quite well, thank you just the same.

[juajen]

34. I believe she is doing just great against the onslaught.

Our point is that this is not because they love Obama,though plenty of people do. Obama is the means to an end. The corporatists look after the pugs first, no matter what. So, follow your nose, not your heart. Not saying you should not vote for whomever you please, just be an informed voter. Also, dig deep for dirt on your candidate, as deep as the pugs already have.

[Dogmudgeon]

13. There is an easy way to find out

1a. Make a list of all the media attacks made on Barack Obama
1b. Make a list of all the supportive media statements on behalf of Barack Obama

2a. Make a list of all the media attacks made on Hillary Clinton
2b. Make a list of all the supportive media statements on behalf of Hillary Clinton

(Note the topic, the length and the intensity of the events. Make sure you have members from each camp to do the rating of the events to keep it Fair and Balanced.)

3. Compare the lists.

--p!

[BenDavid]

15. HRC probably wind up pocketing the most delegates but she's

going to lose. The media will see to it.It's unlikely HRC will get out and out beaten across the board, but she'll still lose. HRC will lose by not beating Obama across the board or she'll lose by not winning in every big state or HRC will lose by not winning by a large enough margin in the states she's supposed to win or by not coming close enough in the states she's expected to lose or she'll lose by not getting the votes of the right demographic or she'll lose by not getting enough votes in the demographics that were going to vote for her anyway or she'll lose because not enough people tell the exit pollsters on their way out how excited they were to cast their vote for her.

Whatever, however. She's going to lose. She's going to lose because they're going to say she did
and they'll say it because they want her to.

From the early morning shows on the networks and the cable folks it has begun with choosing the right way to deliver and be more positive for obama then for HRC....

with HRC with a 90 delegate lead just how in the hell according to Matt Lauer is there a virtual tie in this race?

[Evergreen Emerald]

22. I know...when Obama comes within 10 HE WINS...when Clinton comes within 10

OBAMA WINS....The media hype is contant. And to me that is the story: despite the constant attacks on Clinton by the media (and remember they covered Obama when he used racism to win SC and twisted it to Clinton's fault)--despite those attacks, she is standing strong.

The message is that: perhaps the American people can see through the crap. I know that Obama gained ground...how could he not--with the 24/7 hype. But, many Americans saw through the hollow glitz and gave it to Clinton.

That should be the story today.

[Apollo11]

18. Dave Letterman likes Hillary

He helped her out on Monday night.

You can watch it on the Political Videos Forum.

[robbedvoter]

49. Coincidentally, the only one asking Bush tough questions in 2000

Also, the only one signing an agreement with the writers' Guild

[Yossariant]

20. Here's one analysis:

Hillary Clinton is getting the worst press and Barack Obama the best press of any major presidential candidate, and Bill Clinton is also getting negative reviews, while the gap in good press between John McCain and Mitt Romney is narrowing, according to a new study of TV news election coverage by the Center for Media and Public Affairs. The study also finds that FOX’s evening news show had the most coverage of policy issues and the least coverage of the campaign horse race.

Since mid-December, when the presidential candidates turned their full attention to the Iowa caucuses, Sen. Barack Obama has led the race for good press and Sen. Hillary Clinton has lagged the farthest behind. From Dec 16 through Jan 27 five out of six on-air evaluations of Obama (84%) have been favorable, compared to a bare majority (51%) of evaluations of Mrs. Clinton.

The gap in good press has widened since the New Hampshire primary, with Clinton dropping to 47% positive comments and Obama holding steady at 83% positive. NBC’s coverage has been the most critical of Clinton – nearly 2 to 1 negative (36% positive and to 64% negative) Conversely, ABC’s coverage was most supportive -- nearly 2 to 1 positive (63% v. 37%). CBS and FOX were more balanced – 50% positive comments on FOX and 56% positive on CBS.

John McCain leads the Republican race for good press with 3 to 1 positive evaluations (73% positive v 27% negative) compared to only a minority of favorable comments (47%) for Mitt Romney. (Huckabee is in between with 57% positive comments.) Since the New Hampshire primary, however, their fortunes have changed, with Romney getting 75% and McLain only 58% positive comments.

http://www.cmpa.com/election%20news%202_1_08.htm

[MethuenProgressive]

21. The media's selling of the Fairy Tale and neglect to call Obama on Swiftboating Clinton on race

The MSM hates the Clintons, always has, always will.

[Maribelle]

33. Methuen: Clinton 5,207 Obama 2,168

:bounce:

[AGirl]

24. I can't stand the media.

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. The MSM hates her!

They do everything in their power to diminish her victories and everything they can do to boost up Obama. They really don't even try to hide it anymore.

[juajen]

35. Yeah, I've been watching all morning, and I haven't seen her

spotlighted once. Did I miss her, or, are they really being that blatant?

[AX10]

40. All we see is Obama.

It is sickening. It makes Obama that much more unattractive.

[TacticalPeek]

42. Ah, yes - The Mighty Wurlitzer

OSS chief William Donovan recruited heavily among social and academic elites. When the CIA was launched in 1947 at the beginning of the Cold War, these pioneers felt that they had both the right and the duty to secretly manipulate the masses for the greater good.

OSS veteran Frank Wisner ran most of the early peacetime covert operations as head of the Office of Policy Coordination. Although funded by the CIA, OPC wasn't integrated into the CIA's Directorate of Plans until 1952, under OSS veteran Allen Dulles. Both Wisner and Dulles were enthusiastic about covert operations. By mid-1953 the department was operating with 7,200 personnel and 74 percent of the CIA's total budget.

Wisner created the first "information superhighway." But this was the age of vacuum tubes, not computers, so he called it his "Mighty Wurlitzer." The CIA's global network funded the Italian elections in 1948, sent paramilitary teams into Albania, trained Nationalist Chinese on Taiwan, and pumped money into the Congress for Cultural Freedom, the National Student Association, and the Center for International Studies at MIT. Key leaders and labor unions in western Europe received subsidies, and Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty were launched. The Wurlitzer, an organ designed for film productions, could imitate sounds such as rain, thunder, or an auto horn. Wisner and Dulles were at the keyboard, directing history.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/8425/CIAPRESS.HTM

Not to say that the CIA is subverting this election (necessarily), but the Mighty Wurlitzer is still there to be played by someone with the do re mi, so to speak.

[Stand and Fight]

43. True. n/t

[barbtries]

44. ps - i'm an obama supporter too

but ask me how the msm treated my second first choice (after al gore): dennis kucinich. one of my co-workers had never even heard of him.

[robbedvoter]

45. Chart of media coverage since Super Tuesday

[robbedvoter]

47. Study of media coverage since New Hampshire

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4406175&mesg_id=4406175

Since mid-December, when the presidential candidates turned their full attention to the Iowa caucuses, Sen. Barack Obama has led the race for good press and Sen. Hillary Clinton has lagged the farthest behind. From Dec 16 through Jan 27 five out of six on-air evaluations of Obama (84%) have been favorable, compared to a bare majority (51%) of evaluations of Mrs. Clinton

[robbedvoter]

48. Harvard study of coverage pre- New Hampshire + radio

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4406175&mesg_id=4406525
Obama: 47% positive, 16% negative.
Clinton: 27% positive, 38% negative.
McCain: 12% positive, 48% negative
Giuliani: 28% positive, 37% negative
JDNE

Net numbers

Obama +31
Giuliani -9
Clinton -11
McCain -36

Note it was net 47% positive Obama - became 83% after new Hampshire

And the radio (Air America?)

[JKaiser]

50. The republicans want Obama to win.. and everyone is falling for it.. soo sad

[jlake]

51. True. Obama wouldn't be a contender without the media cheerleaders.