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Nimble_Idea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 06:47 PM
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The Case for Wes K. Clark as Vice President
During Kerry's tour of the south, we are reminded of the state of LA.
yes we know Mary Landrieu won the state, but WHY???

The reason is that she took the POSITION of defending the American Workers by standing by the "Sugar Issue"

This Nov. Election will be no different.

With Wes Clark on the VP spot, it puts Arkansas and Louisiana in play and if Shrub continues to say the WORLD IS AWESOME, THE ECONOMY IS SOUND!! and jobs continue to go overseas, and trust me, IT WILL CONTINUE for not just the election, but for a few years until Kerry's reforms take place. Then Shribbery will be in trouble. There is no question that there will be a Midwesterner or Southerner on the ticket, but
Wes Clark will be the best one.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 06:58 PM
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1. I would go for Clark as the veep
Maybe that'll get me a little more excited about the election b/c Kerry isn't quite making me jump up and down at this point. It's not a bash at Kerry. I think Kerry will be a good president and has a lot of experience in politics but he just doesn't relate to me yet.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 07:48 PM
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2. Clark delivers Ark. and reinforces Kerry and natl. security --
helping Kerry to dismiss doubts about Democrats and security, in order to focus strongly on our domestic crises. I agree he could be an asset to the ticket.
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angryinoville Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:00 AM
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37. If there's anything...
that these past 3 plus years have shown us, it's that the VP can have more pull and can be more of a player in the grand scheme of things than just being the guy that stands behind the pres. during speeches. Wes Clark is the only running mate that could make me fired up about voting for Kerry in the fall
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 08:19 PM
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3. Kerry needs Clark to shutdown
the KKKRove attack about Democrats being weak on National Security. Its really that simple IMHO.

And I agree wholeheartedy with you that Clark would put LA and AK in play.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 08:20 PM
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4. Gifted
• Kerry's military record as a hero can be negated by his later protesting. No, not by me...I was at Kent State, but there are many vets and active duty service people who will find his activites a problem. Clark seals the deal. A shift of 6-10% in the military vote brings in not one red state but six. And Clark can and will carry (Cl)arkansas.

• Clark knowledge of international affairs is unmatched, and the vp is often the liason for the president.

• Anyone who tells you that Clark is a bad campaigner should turn off the prestitutes and go and see him rock the house.

• Clark is a smooth pit bull.

• No voting record to rip apart.

• Reared Southern Baptist...the most fundy of the fundy churches in Little Rock had Clark signs in their yard. Currently, 30-37% of voters in 17 states consider themselves "born again." Give 7% of those folks a reason to feel comfortable voting Dem. and let them come.

• The press and the public seem to miss out on how liberal this General is. I call this syndrom: "Blinded by the Stars"

• Feed up with bush republicans like and will vote for Clark. (this group does not include any of those "highly approve of bush" repubs. who were screwing around in open primary states.)

• Appeals to and has made friends with moderate repubs on the hill.

• He's scary smart

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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:36 PM
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7. There would be no more Viet Nam Divide
The split that ran through generations would be healed through a Kerry/Clark ticket. That may not be a reason for Kerry to pick Clark, but it isn't trivial either. Two young men went off to Viet Nam, and both became heroes for their bravery in combat. Kerry returned home and was a leader of the opposition to that war's continuation. Clark came home on a stretcher, painfully rehabilitated himself, and went back to serving his nation in it's Armed Forces.

Those who fought in Viet Nam are honored by a Kerry/Clark ticket. Those who fought against that war are honored by a Kerry/Clark ticket. Those men chose different subsequent paths. One went on to reform the way our Government functions. One went on to reform the way our military functions. Both stand together now for a strong America and a peaceful world, where force is used only as a last resort. The symbolism these men represent is as poetic as it is profound.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:51 PM
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11. That is a really beautiful thought
Because, yes, we are still aching over the great divide that was the Vietnam War. And here we have 2 combat heroes who chose different paths, with each being valuable.

All the anti-Kerry Vietnam veterans sites would be neutralized.

And if elected, they would be the 1st Baby Boomer President & Veep who are both Vietnam Veterans.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:56 PM
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12. Yes. A thing of beauty
Clark trivia:

For one of his master's thesis, Clark wrote a paper that traced back to 1946 all the decisions that eventually resulted in the Pentagon Papers. While the thesis itself are not found on the web, changes recommended by and resulting from Clark's work are cited in government policy papers. Yes, he is a change agent.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 10:00 PM
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13. How Could We Get A Hold Of That Thesis?
I am totally serious... who could we ask?
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:02 PM
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16. I'll ask
I correspond to someone, an historian, who was pulling the cites together, although I don't know why.

I'll write, but the last time we talked about it, she didn't have it.

BTW, Clark took a first for that one at the Command College.
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 06:34 AM
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30. "Blinded by the Stars"
I like it!

His liberal substance is overshadowed by the traditionally conservative style. Quite catchy.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:06 PM
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5. Kerry leads in the polls in all domestic areas
jobs, healthcare, education, etc.

The one place he is behind BIGTIME is Leadership on the War on Terror, national security, etc. Whatever way it is worded, that's his weak point.

Obviously, Clark would give him a big boost.

Also, many of the Veep possibilities would be terrible in a debate with Dick Cheney. He'll be talking terrorists, al Quida, mushroom clouds, & Wes can smack him down, & assure people that Dems CAN handle these issues.

If Kerry picks Wes, he should say, 1 of my 1st jobs will be to send my Veep to Iraq, to assess the situation on the ground, & meet with his former colleagues in the military who are running the war.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:08 PM
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6. This is a really important topic!
Kick to the top!
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:38 PM
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8. I'd sure like it
None of the pundits even seem to be mentioning him, though. Do you think they're right this time, or they're as wrong here as they were when they thought the candidate would be Lieberman or Gephardt?
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:46 PM
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10. Only Kerry can know
I will say this though. Fads are inherently fickle. Dean was all the media would talk about last December. This month it is Edwards. The media will discover, or rediscover as the case may be, whoever Kerry chooses. The public will tune in. If it is Edwards no one will talk anymore about what Richardson or Graham would bring to a ticket. If it is Clark no one will talk anymore about what Bayh or Edwards would bring to a ticket. That will quickly become yesterday's news.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:38 PM
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9. Yer preachen to the choir here
Clark as a Veep would be a killer ticket
he has mad street cred WORD!.I mean he's the shizzle..
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 10:08 PM
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14. Clark Is The Man

He is such a classy ,intelligent man.
Kerry is as well.

I think it is an unbeatable ticket because it is "Two Classy Intelligent Men vs. two Neocons who have run our country into the ground.


Kerry - Clark
It even has a ring when you say it!

:loveya:
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 10:10 PM
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15. Don't forget Clark has Jewish roots but he is Catholic.
He also has a Hispanic daughter-in-law (and grandson) and has the support of all the Indian nations. He'd bring in Southern and Southwestern states and Independents from every state.
No one can bring in more votes than Wes and how anyone can not want this man on their ticket...is beyond me. I just hope and pray that Kerry is as smart and I think he is!
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:06 PM
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17. Kerry, too
Jewish roots and Catholic.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:34 PM
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19. I forgot that ! Boy what a ticket! Awesome!
Really "heavy metal" to quote some else.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:30 PM
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18. Latest update from Kansas:
Wesley Clark campaigns for Kerry in Topeka
http://www.cjonline.com/stories/030504/bre_clark.shtml

One of the concerns will be transitioning during a war, Clark on the ticket brings more than just 'talk" to ease that worry; he will bring the "walk."

snip from the article:

"He said he knows many people serving in the top command positions in Iraq."

and....:

"We have to focus on the really important issues for this country -- keeping America safe and bringing prosperity back," he said. "We're at the end of an era. The American dream is closing down for young Americans."

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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:03 AM
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22. You can listen to him on that page.
Edited on Sat Mar-06-04 12:03 AM by crunchyfrog
Scroll down towards the bottom of the page, on the right hand side there is a link to about 6 1/2 minutes of Clark speaking.

God he's great!:loveya:

I miss him.:cry: , but hope that we'll be seeing and hearing alot more for him, whether or not he has a role in the future administration.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:06 AM
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25. Love your new frog nt
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JPJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 10:18 AM
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33. Sorry, didn't mean to reply here n/t
Edited on Sat Mar-06-04 10:20 AM by JPJones
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:36 PM
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20. I would love to see Clark on the ticket.
That being said, I refuse to hope for it. I'm simply not going to allow my heart to be broken yet again.

I think he would be the strongest choice for the ticket, by I think that conventional politics are going to end up taking the upper hand in the decision and they won't go for Clark.:(

There are several reasons why I think Clark would be the best choice. The first one is that he really does attract moderate and conservative voters without alienating liberals and the Democratic base. I've actually never seen a candidate that attracted support accross so much of the political spectrum.

Second, he really would be qualified to take over as Commander in Chief if something happened to Kerry. Not only that, but his politics are very close to Kerry's, so we wouldn't suddenly find our country being run by a DINO as would happen if Evan Bayh for example, was veep.

Third, Clark is just really good at ripping Bush and the Repugs to shreds, but doing it in a way that he doesn't look mean or ugly. I think that will be really important because in this race we really need to be able to point out Bush's failures especially in the area of Natl. Security, and foreign policy. Nobody can do that like Clark.

Other reasons, grassroots activists have been a major part of this years campaign and Clark would bring them in. Even many of the Dean people would appreciate that I think, and be more willing to really work for the ticket.

Clark has a real dynamism and energy and freshness to him, and also has a real ability to articulate Democratic values in a way that makes them sound like common sense.

All that being said however, I fully expect the veep to be someone like Graham or Gephardt or Bayh or Richardson or maybe Edwards. I just think the party is more interested in keeping things within the establishment then they are in actually winning the White House.

Well it's been nice to talk about my opinions on this. I don't dare go into most veep threads because the atmosphere is often so hostile towards Clark.

Nice to see some fellow Clarkistas again. :)
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:48 PM
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21. Keep hope alive, Crunchy!
I agree the odds are against Wes becoming Veep candidate, but hey, you never know.

And as we Clarkies understand, he is the most qualified for the job.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:06 AM
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23. I will be ecstatic if he's chosen as veep
but I'm not going to put any emotional investment into something that I have absolutely no control over.

I've experienced enough emotional devastation this primary season. I simply can't take anymore.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 03:56 AM
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28. I certainly know how you feel
Edited on Sat Mar-06-04 03:57 AM by juajen
But, I think Clark is being played down for a reason. The republicans are frightened to death of him because he is all the things you say.

That said, I'm not sure Clark would want to be VP. Does anyone have an inkling of how he feels about this? He could be just as useful somewhere else. I certainly wouldn't want anything to happen to Kerry or Clark, both of whom I trust to run this country.

Stay strong and sing Clark's praises anytime you like. I do. It feels so good. He is such a wonder!

On edit: I forgot to kick this thread.

:kick: :kick:
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 04:07 AM
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29. I think that Clark is willing to do
anything that will increase the chances of Shrub being defeated in the election. If someone persuades him that agreeing to be VP would be in the best interest of accomplishing that goal, I don't think he would have any problem accepting.

I think that he is much more about what is in the best interests of the country than about his personal ambitions or interests. Even if he didn't really want to run for VP, I think he would still do it.

That being said, I just don't think that the Democratic party is able to understand or appreciate the gift that it has been given in Clark, and I don't think he is going to be tapped. In my opinion that will be of great detriment to the ticket. Nevertheless, I think he will work in whatever capacity he can to get Kerry elected.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:23 AM
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24. The war heroes vs the chickenhawks: That's the ticket!
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:51 PM
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44. The heroes vs the zeroes
I kind of like the sound of that.:)
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:50 AM
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26. This is what Wes said tonight in Topeka on the subject
man in crowd: "Kerry/Clark!!"

Wes: "It doesn't matter to me what that ticket is. What I want to do is I want to see a Democrat, John Kerry, in the White House. That's the mission! Okay?"
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 03:50 AM
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27. I wrote this up and sent ...
to a few reporters that I correspond with:

Kerry's Choice?

Recently, I have been reading quite a few articles discussing John Kerry’s selection of a running mate. The top media pick thus far, Senator John Edwards.

But what has Edwards really accomplished besides being the proud recipient of free and uncritical media attention? "Sweet-talking youth and charismatic charm"? He has been pushed and oversold to the point that many, such as myself, are finding that the interchangeable accent and the memorized Two Americas speech from the son of a (Republican) mill (manager) worker are becoming tiresome. In fact, Edwards is what many are calling a Made-by-TV candidate.

And do we really need two candidates who both voted for the Iraq war, No Child Left Behind, the Patriot Act, and against the $87 billion supplemental Iraq package? Will the double echo of the Senators John-John ticket who voted for most of Bush’s policies really gain the Democratic ticket votes? Another important item--A Vice President has to be an attack dog, not a whimpering puppy. Are voters begging for a Democratic Dan Quayle?

Many include Dick Gephardt, the labor friendly Missourian congressman. It’s suggested that Gephardt would bring Missouri into the Democratic win column in November. This boast is truly untested. Gephardt has never run for statewide office and coming in 4th in Iowa wasn’t helpful. It’s quite certain that the labor vote will not hesitate on voting Kerry regardless of who his running mate is. Because of his many (sometimes dismal) years in congress, Dick is the ultimate Washington Insider. It is hard to advertise change with the ultimate insider ticket battling the other insider ticket. Will we be reminded that Dick Gephardt co-wrote the Iraq Resolution that passed in the House. Ah, and the pic with Bush in the Rose Garden and all of those house votes. Alas, the echo of many of Bush’s policies would resonate loudly with Gephardt on the ticket. Too, charisma is not a word often used to describe Dick Gephardt, so I wont mention it

A few opine that Senator Graham would also make a great Vice Presidential candidate. Some say that's the ticket to win Florida. But Graham is in delicate health and is charismatically challenged, the very reason that the media is pushing Edwards. His health alone may not be an issue, but when coupled with John Kerry’s recent bout with Cancer, this match becomes weak. In fact, Graham is the exact opposite of what John Edwards is proclaimed to be, besides both being Democratic Southern Senators who are retiring. The contrast is striking.

Governor Richardson has also been dragged to the line up. He would indeed make a formidable Vice President candidate. He certainly would help in bringing the Hispanic vote right up to the table. He has, however, time after time, pleaded the Hillary defense, i.e., he has promised his constituency that he would complete his term. I believe him to be a good pick, but to think that he is the only one that would offer a winning result is sheer desperation (of pulling a sitting Governor out of office) and lack of insight. Does Gov. Richardson have star power? Is he a dynamic speaker? Well, so-so is the verdict. Plus, I tend to believe that Governor Richardson is a man of honor and will uphold his word.

Senator Evan Bayh has also been frequently named. Evan Bayh who? Ok, he’s attractive (to some) and conservative. But should Democrats lose another Senator in an already leaning Republican senate, which is predicted to become more so after the 2004 election? And do we want the far left running, not walking over to visit Nader’s website? Democrats need a sure thing, not a gamble. Evan Bayh is fresh senatorial meat, and more votes for the RNC to dig up.

The Dark Horse of the Veep pick appears to be General Wes Clark, according to a small faction. Others dismiss this possibility out of hand. They hurriedly explain that Kerry already has the qualifications that Clark offers. Why duplicate the effort and add a patriotic Scout Master with solid National Security and Foreign policy to the ticket? I find that a reinforced “heavy medal” ticket of Kerry/Clark would be far more effective against an incumbent "wartime" President than any other ticket discussed. Of course, according to the RNC, who are busy setting up their convention to take place in New York around 9/11/04, this is the worst match up ever and does not even deserve discussion.

In my mind, there is not doubt that General Wesley K. Clark--an American patriot, who through his 34-year military career received numerous honors and awards, including the Presidential Medal of Freedom, and who saved hundreds of thousands of people through his brilliant diplomatic skills—is as appealing as Governor Richardson, if not more so. After all, we are only fighting two wars, and have quite a few allies miffed.

The Republican criticisms that Kerry is soft on defense due to some votes against weapon systems (one of the currently whispered future attacks), and the questions about Kerry’s actions immediately following the Vietnam War would be taken right off the table with Clark at Kerry’s side. We won't even mention Kerry's upside down flag book cover thingy. Mr. Gillespie and Karl Rove are saving that until September of 2004.

Further, Clark has the charismatic appeal and is a fresh face on the political scene. He has more than demonstrated his worth by calling out the Bush Administration effectively on many serious issues during his campaign. Want well articulated attacks that voters and the RNC pay attention to? Clark has proven to be excellent at that! He scares the begeezus out of the Republicans, regardless of the fact that commentators rarely discuss it.

It also should be noted that Clark raised some $20 million in just five months, won the Oklahoma primary, and has an active Internet grassroots base. For a political novice, that was more than impressive. One has to wonder, what could have been? What if CNN, ABC, CBS and the rest of the national media would have bothered to mention Clark during the daily campaign recaps, when he was statistically even with Howard Dean during most of the fall (during the media's other love-fest--then with only Howard Dean)?

Beyond that, Clark can still do what Edwards and Graham are lauded for: attract Southern voters. Clark was leading in many of the southern states prior to Iowa, but received no positive media reports for it. Clark is also attractive to Southwestern and Hispanic voters, who will be important this election year. He came in first in Oklahoma, and second in Arizona, New Mexico, and North Dakota (states that he led until the Kerry momentum and free publicity took over). His win, his seconds and even his thirds (New Hampshire, Virginia and Tennessee) cannot be compared to Edwards’ placements. As you may or may not have noticed, Clark did not receive heavy free media coverage.

Clark can also do what Edwards, Bayh and even Richardson cannot--secure those Veterans who are on the fence for Kerry. Add those Republicans who would cross over and vote for a Democrat during the general election to get rid of Bush, unlike Edwards’ Republican voters who crossed over during the primaries out of mischief (confirmed via exit poll data).

In the end analysis, John Kerry has many attractive potential running mates to choose from. The real questions to answer? Will the media truly allow the Democratic nominee to choose his own running mate? They should; and in the meantime, they ought to base their analysis on who encompasses the broadest array of desirable traits, coupled with the greatest strategic strength to win in November.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 10:06 AM
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32. Thanks for your continuing great work Frenchie
You are tireless in making sure that the important messages get heard outside of our own club houses.
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 10:45 AM
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36. great post
Great Post!
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:53 AM
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38. nice job
Thats a powerful argument you have put together there Frenchie. Glad you are on our side. :)
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 09:57 AM
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31. I see Wes Clark as Kerry's best choice for VP for these reasons:
1. He can bring in independents and disillusioned moderate republicans without alienating democratic voters

2. He brings instant credibility on foreign affairs to a greater degree than Kerry does

3. He is from the south and will bring in southern voters who's main concern is security

4. He will garner military votes due to both his background and his position on Iraq.

5. On all previous polls when all the candidates were running, Wes was most often the other candidates' second choice, that says he was appealing across the board

6. He would be able, immediately, to begin healing the rifts with the rest of the world that Bush has caused

Those are my thoughts, from a close and worried neighbour.
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JPJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 10:20 AM
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34. There is only one reason to hope for this -
The body language during the endorsement. I'm biased, but I thought it was a great event.

That said, I don't think there is anything we can do to make it happen, except:

1) Pay off Clark's debt. I once had a girlfriend with $80,000 of debt. Didn't want to marry her because I didn't want to have to pay it off.

2) If you already have a relationship with people in the media, make sure they mention Clark in the VP list.

3) Don't annoy the people on the Kerry blog. They couldn't care less.

Only one person's opinion matters anyway - JFK.
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 10:33 AM
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35. Values and Faith
Another reason I think Kerry should really consider Clark as his top choice as VP is the speech that Kerry himself heard Clark give in Virginia (the Jefferson Dinner?).  Clark's speech on values and faith is something that he very much offers something to the ticket that Kerry can't pull off on his own.  Everybody who hasn't followed this race very closely knows that Clark is the guy for National Security (no doubt amongst anyone that he wouldn't help in that department), but Clark brings a level of comfort to many the way that he is not afraid of discussing values and religion, and makes a good point that you can be a democrat and hold these things dear to you.  This alone will bring in many swing voters that want Bush out, but as Wes beautifully put it, thinks republicans have ownership on values and faith.  Not many people know this side of Wes (and nobody reported what a unique and wonderful speech he gave) and he would be very refreshing to so many people (especially in the tricky "swing states") for this reason.  It seems stupid to me that you would stick some other "politics as usual guy" next to Kerry, when Wes could stand by him as a team that spoke to ALL people.
 I think the talk of spirituality and how republicans don't own it will be one of the most important discussions to have.  George Bush is wanting to run a campaign with the message of National Security and values.  With Wesley Clark, John Kerry will have the armor to fight Bush.  Many, many fence sitters would be provoked by this campaign with Wes, and this time the media would have no choice, but to pay attention.  The speech Clark gave in Virginia was one of the best speeches I have ever heard (I really felt that Clark showed his personality like he does in a Q&A), and John Kerry was there to hear it.  I think Kerry would be a fool not to run with Wes.  I think that Wes is the voice that Kerry needs for those independents and fed up republicans (and of course the democrats would be thrilled with that ticket).
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cosmokramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:00 PM
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39. Two Bars and Four Stars Vs. What are the three "r's"?
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:58 PM
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45. Cosmo...How about this slogan ... Four Bars Vs. Four Stars?
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cosmokramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 05:46 PM
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48. I don't get it...
:hippie:
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shivaji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:21 PM
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40. Clark's Faux Paus in October might ruin Kerry's chances....
Edited on Sat Mar-06-04 01:22 PM by shivaji
I am basing this purely on Clark's history of
walking into blunderous statements........glaring
example : the general vs. lieutenant fiasco.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:26 PM
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41. Not dangerous with a VP
Edited on Sat Mar-06-04 01:29 PM by Tom Rinaldo
First off, it would take a lot worse than that to get substantial coverage once the real Presidential campaign is underway. VP's are a side show relatively speaking. Something trivial of that sort would be quickly wiped off the radar screen by something Bush or Kerry had to say. Second, a VP candidate can help you a little attending to designated tasks, but rarely hurt you. Remember Dan Quayle? He was dumb as ever and green when he first paired up with Bush the Elder. People laughed, Bush won.

Furthermore you underestimate Clark, grossly I suspect. But I will leave it at that. Clark is now an excellent campaigner, and still grows daily at his new trade.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 03:44 PM
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46. I was going to say Quayle proved that wrong
There were so many Quayle gaffes I couldn't begin to recall them all. Plus he was slammed in the VP debate by Bentsen.
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Nimble_Idea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:37 PM
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42. That won't be a problem between Kerry and Clark
1st, Many people in the Primaries ,said some sharp things against each other, but Dean, Gep, and others rallied behind Kerry. I doubt there is ANY real BAD blood between these people, they understand what primaries are and they at the end of the day, are Democrats, plain and simple.

2nd, the blunders are only things Novak keep saying they are , and other repugs. Face it, The Repugs DON'T WANT CLARK TO BE THERE AS VP

If Clark is there, it would make the Shrubbery look so sad.

The General is coming.
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 06:12 PM
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49. Rush Limboooo
Rush said that if Clark is the VP the repugs will try to coax Powell into Vp.......If rush said that, I say go with Clark!!
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:46 PM
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43. Don't worry about it, Kerry isn't and he IS the frontrunner!
I would disagree vehemently with your "history of walking into blunderous statements" but will just say that you are making a "blunderous statement" by saying it. Clark will bring voters in, make no mistake about that.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 03:55 PM
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47. Although I supported Clark originally
and I felt with good strong advisors around him, Clark would be a good prez. I think Clark's not ready for prime time. I don't think he's strong enough with the voters. He had a hard time communicating clearly. It would only take one misstep by Clark to blow the whole November election which is ours to lose right now.

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AbbeyRoad Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 06:22 PM
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50. I would be happy to see Clark offered VP
I think it would make a strong ticket.
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