Are anti-Kerryists the New Al Qaeda? Did it mutate again?

[DuctapeFatwa]

How shall the evil of anti-Kerryism be stamped out?

Will Timberland boots do the job?

Should Kerry form a task force of specially trained counter anti-Kerryism Ninjas to root them out of their holes, smoke em out and bring em to justice?

What about suspected potential anti-Kerryist sympathizers, or those with anti-Kerryist links?

And what if you feed an anti-Kerryist, or harbor one? Does that make you as guilty as the anti-Kerryist?

Where should captured anti-Kerryists be detained, and should they be allowed to speak to their lawyers? What if they send coded messages to other members of their sleeper cells?

[jpgray]

1. The posts that inspired this are the remnants of our old internecine wars

These tit-for-tat vanity threadwars come from the few people who really love to fight with each other, and care little or nothing about getting anything done.

edit: Kerry people should not stamp out anti-Kerry sentiment. Either ignore or politely respond to them--being civil and having some empathy (being a good winner) is pretty important.

Supporters of other candidates who rag on Kerry should expect a few emotional responses. People really are passionate about this election, and will probably become petty or personal after being provoked. Stating criticism in a civil and polite way will hopefully engender a like response.

If you really want people to be nice to you and respect your feelings, you ought to be ready to do the same for them. It seems people on both sides forget this ALL THE FREAKING TIME.

[lcordero]

2. "anti-Kerryists"? you flatter him too much

[MurikanDemocrat]

3. I think they should be left to pursue their self anointed victim status

and martyrdom roles. That will keep them occupied and out of our hair while the rest of us do the heavy lifting required to get Kerry elected, and thus save their sorry asses along with ours.

I say just leave them be. We don't have time for babysitting.

[scarletwoman]

4. Oh come now, DF...

Don't you think that just reading the threads in this forum is punishment enough?

sw

[Forkboy]

5. I hate to log off and go to bed

I see great things for the future of this thread :D

[DuctapeFatwa]

7. LOL maybe I should too, because I read your message as

"I see great thongs for the future of this thread"

[Forkboy]

8. If so I'm staying up!

:D

[corporatewhore]

6. They are evil communists whobecause they believe in social justice must be

bush supporters

[bluestateguy]

9. Your candidate lost

Further degradation of the presumptive nominee is actually very elitist. It shows a blatant disregard towards the will of the Democratic primary voters. I suppose we should nominate someone who did not win most of the primaries because a few ultra-leftists are mad?

[DuctapeFatwa]

10. My candidate lost? You just say that because he doesn't exist

you don't fool me/

[Forkboy]

12. rooting for kids to die in war because you dont agree with their choice

is pretty fucking elitist too :eyes:

[JVS]

22. Where was that?

[Forkboy]

33. the sad thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1194637

[chocolateeater]

38. Yes that was a sad thread.

I hope the original poster was being ironic.

[Terry_M]

13. Ultra-Leftist?

Has it always been ultra-leftist to want a white house that focuses on serving the people? :(

[corporatewhore]

14. you are an evil communist/naderite ....heheheheheheheh

[jpgray]

15. And so it goes. Now this thread will spawn a new leftist hate thread

DU's 'warriors', as one person here described them to me, will battle on endlessly.

[whirlygigspin]

16. pointless babble

99.999% of dems will vote for Kerry, even the "ultra leftists" lol
and a few republicans and millitary types too;

Perhaps now the true blue Kerry fans should, I don't know...start leading instead of reacting to imaginary leftists subversives or worse, waiting for *Shrub's machine to start defining the agenda, again.

You won already, now's the time to start leading and stop fighting
those on your side.

The nation needs better leadership urgently, now get at it.

[DuctapeFatwa]

17. oooh! I wanna change my name to "imaginary leftist subversive"

Maybe I'll get a sockpuppet

[Terry_M]

18. Shush

You don't exist!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

21. How about "imaginary leftist subversive" for VP.

It's crazy enough to work.

[youngred]

24. Why do you think they're mad

maybe because of posts calling us babies, elitist snobs etc for pursuing nothing more than a chance to be heard in a party that ignores us and only comes knocking when they need votes and money.

[Darranar]

46. Where did you get that idea?

All I see here and in the Democratic Party as a whole is the full acceptance and support of progressives and progressive sentiments!

:eyes:

[Darranar]

44. What?

Does criticizing Reagan show a "blatant disregard" to the will of American voters?

Or any other elected president?

Kerry is a DLC warmonger and a highly corrupt puppet of US business interests. DuctapeFatwa and anyone else have every right to criticize the nominee, and are not being "elitist" by doing so.

Note: As my avatar suggests, I am ABB and support Kerry against Bush. I have no faith in him, but I do have faith in the Republicans to be considerably worse.

[Don Claybrook]

11. I guess this thread is as good a place as any to post this

I'm one of those people who will vote for Kerry because he'll be about 852 times better than Bush.

But all of the "fall in line behind Kerry" crap is getting really old really fast. And it's not even the candidate who grates on the nerves--it's a minority of his supporters here. I know just like everyone else does that Kerry is relatively progressive with a lot of his positions. We could do worse. But just tonight, I've read insult after insult directed at the "far left", and assertions that a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush (this directed at posters who clearly stated they would be voting for Kerry). I've seen Einsteinian proclamations about not hiding/abetting draftees if they voted for Nader. And to be sure, I think Nader has chosen a poor time to run, and he won't get anywhere near 6% in the general election, but that's kind of beside the point.

Here's the insulting part: it's always been about the platform, not the candidate. It's been about the ideals, not the person espousing or denying those ideals. So most all of us will end up voting for Kerry, because in the end he'll be the best (only) choice we have, and he'll be many degrees better than the idiot in office now. But none of that means that we need to throw away the ideals that (presumably) brought us to this website in the first place. I'm not going to march in freaking lockstep because a bunch of people tell me to. That's way too close to the National Socialist Party or the neoconservative modus operandi for my comfort.

I'm going to do my part and cast my vote for John Kerry and hope that he represents progressive values. But just as surely, I'm going to do whatever I can to be a nagging thorn in his side if he sells out to the right, to the corporatists, to the military industrial complex. He's much closer to ideal than Bush (who doesn't even register on that particular scale), but he's not the perfect progressive, and I just refuse to become a mindless automaton in support of everything John Kerry says or does.

By the way, Ductape Fatwa, I think you're a real credit to this place. Thanks for all of your posts.

[youngred]

25. I think this should be posted and posted and reposted

Thank you for so eloquently stating what is my position as well.

[foo_bar]

19. I propose treatment, not prisons

On a strictly outpatient basis, of course; all Americans should have the right to indulge their hard-earned narcissism, at no small expense to the National Infrastructure. Happily, no one will be liquidated or purged for indulging the paranoiac fruits of excessive time and money, but there are a broad range of medications that can make the journey back to consensus reality a bit less jarring.

[youngred]

26. Yes, its so much better when we don't let alternate ideas participate

and run a strict party machine where you do what is laid down

[Forkboy]

34. hey,it worked for Stalin!

dont knock it :)

[Lexingtonian]

20. anti-Kerryists?

I thought that for something to be dignified with an -ism tag it had to have a nontrivial principle to it....

Doesn't anyone see ridiculousness in statements like "I'm not an automaton: when Kerry does something I don't like I'm definitely going to scream very loudly"? We need to stock up on pacifiers, I think.

And just why should Kerry folks be nice people and take the soft defensive all the time? Why not expect of people who are less gradualist aka extreme Leftists to justify why their demand for purity and revolution is realistic and desirable? And similar for more conservative folks who object?

[Old and In the Way]

27. They are not so much anti-Kerry as they are pro-Bush.

All they have is the thin veneer of Kerry's IWR vote and the PA vote in which to hide behind. They need to discount 20+ years of his solid Democratic voting record and documented history of social activism to insult and belittle the people's choice to lead us in November.

"Leftists" my arse.

[corporatewhore]

28. you are forgetting his vote for plan colombia nafta/gatt/imf/wto

his pro sharon stance his pro occupation stance it all boils down to imperalism

[youngred]

23. Tis true

From someone who supports Kerry...but not yet. The figthing is creating a lot of resentment

[Sinistrous]

29. I hope you are not playing with matches around that strawman.

You're a real trip, Ductape.

Doing your part to marginalize the hyper-left purists. Keep up the good work.

[DuctapeFatwa]

31. "hyper-left purist?" That's "imaginary leftist subversive" to YOU,

you'll be lucky to even make it as a moonbat.

Now lets see that jaw drop in proper awe at the majesty of my marginalized imaginary leftist subversivehood.

[Darranar]

43. LOL!

Best post of the month.

:toast:

[blm]

30. No. But they shouldn't complain if Bush wins in November.

I don't think they're the enemy, but, anyone who doesn't see the difference between Bush and Kerry is too stupid to be believed.

[sangh0]

32. Good job supporting the idea that the left is loony!

I'll wait until I see some proof that anyone is being labelled a terrorist by a Kerry supporter

[Forkboy]

35. An even better job of supporting the idea that the left is humorless

[scarletwoman]

36. Touche!

Good one, Forkboy. :evilgrin:

sw

[sangh0]

37. Guilty as charged

After listening to Bush* do it for three years, the humor has gone out of calling people terrorists.

[blm]

39. AntiKerryists are the ProBushists.

Aren't they?

If you don't want a liberal Democrat to beat Bush, just say so. Why pretend anything else?

[Don Claybrook]

40. I'd argue against your point

Maybe some anti-Kerryists are pro-Bush, I can't speak for them.

And I'm not even anti-Kerry. Sure, there are a few things I don't like about him, but I'll be able to vote for him with a smile on my face.

Beyond all of that, it is possible, and I think desirable, to vote based on the issues and not on the candidate. In other words, if I have progressive viewpoints on Issues A, B, and C, it's going to be a no-brainer that Kerry comes out ahead of Bush in my considerations. But that doesn't mean that Kerry has hit all of those issues perfectly.

A more pertinent and real-life example would be Bill Clinton, at least for me. He's really charasmatic, no doubt about it. He's also a lot more moderate, more to the right than I am. The cult of personality has a dangerous allure. It was easy to find myself trying to support positions of his that I didn't really agree with, because I wanted him to come out on top, because he was "my guy". Welfare reform is a good example.

In the end, you and I sound like we're going to vote the same way, same end result. But it also sounds like we have very different ways of getting to that result. When it's open primary season, the results are much more muddled. Now, it's the Inbred Son of Satan vs. John Kerry. There's no real question as to how to vote. In the primary season, however, there are many more choices and a lot more nuance.

This may sound to you like nothing more than an exercise in typing, but it allows me to stay more centered on my political beliefs and less centered on the candidate, which for me is appropriate. No messy breakups that way.

[DuctapeFatwa]

41. kick for the heroes who tirelessly toil to keep the Homeland safe from

the evil anti-Kerryists

[blm]

42. Kick back at those who would suppress Democratic voter turnout

by spreading the lie that there is no difference between Kerry and Bush.

GOP operatives have been playing those cards for decades, and they use the guise of sincere leftists concerned that the Dem nominee will offer no change. They do it on college campuses and now on Democratic message boards.

[Melinda]

45. blm - can you point me toward those posts/people on DU?

I want to see them for myself. Please?