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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 10:55 PM
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My State's primary hasn't happened yet...Who to vote for?
If Kerry has this thing wrapped up, then I want to make a statement with my vote and go with Dennis Kucinich. Kerry needs to get that many of us Democrats want to get our country out of Iraq. The Iraqi people do not want us there. What if their first act as a Democracy is to pass a referendum asking us to leave? The U.N. is more suited to the job, preferably made of a strong Arab contingency. The U.S. has a financial obligation to help do the job.
If I vote for Kucinich, and many others do also, will Kerry get the message? I open to feedback.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 10:56 PM
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1. Probably not, since Dennis is the only one who wants to get out of Iraq.
Vote your conscience. As I will on 3.16.
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:06 PM
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2. Interesting take on Kerry...might help you decide
Not Quite A Dream Team
Some of John Kerry's Foreign Policy Advisers Should Give Pause to
Progressives

by Laura Flanders

John Kerry's primary victories are mounting and "anyone-but-Bush" voters are
hankering for a show-down with the Resident. The Massachusetts Senator's
"bring it on" victory speeches get big-d Democrats fired up, but when it comes
to foreign policy, Kerry is hardly the anti-Bush many are longing for.
As the jockeying begins among those who fancy a government job should Kerry
beat Bush in November, it's never too early to give the hopefuls currently
advising the candidate a serious look.
Consider Kerry's foreign policy advisers. Ask the candidate's supporters, and
the advisor they mention first is Joe Wilson, the Clinton-era National
Security Council member who investigated claims that Saddam Hussein was trying
to buy weapons-grade uranium from Niger. Wilson won battle stars from
progressives for going public with his findings, which contradicted the Bush
administration's claims. Wilson's wife, CIA agent Valerie Plame, was outed by
a White House source or sources as a consequence.
Wilson may be a white hat, but it's hard to say the same about Richard
Morningstar, Rand Beers and William Perry, three other members of Kerry's
foreign policy team.
Morningstar, a former advisor to President Clinton on Caspian energy, was
instrumental in pushing for the controversial Baku-Tiblisi-Ceyhan oil
pipeline. The plan has strong support on both sides of the political aisle.
A consortium of oil companies are deeply invested, including Britain's BP,
and the U.S. firms Unocal and Amerada Hess. In the 1990s, the Clinton
administration did all it could to clear the way for BTC, including extending
U.S. Export-Import Bank financing, and recruiting Dick Cheney, James Baker and
others to lobby local governments. James Baker's law firm, Baker Botts,
represents BP. Dick Cheney's Halliburton, an oil-industry supplier, won the
contract to build refineries for several Caspian states. As a member of its
Board of Directors, Condoleezza Rice helped negotiate Chevron's deal to drill
the Caspian's purportedly richest field, the Tengiz.
In 2003, Morningstar explained to the Harvard University Caspian Studies
program that the pipeline, which would run through Azerbaijan, Georgia and
Turkey, is expected to be used by Caspian Sea states to bring their oil west
to market. As Morningstar explained to the Harvard project's members, it
advances various regional policy goals, among them, promoting energy security
and ensuring that neither Russia nor Iran can develop a monopoly over
pipelines from the Caspian. (Harvard's Caspian Studies program is sponsored
by, among others, Chevron, Unocal and Amerada Hess.)
With Turkey's agreement, work on the BTC pipeline began in September '02. The
World Bank agreed last November to provide $250 million in financing, but
human rights groups and environmentalists are still hoping it can be stopped.
Last year, Amnesty International released a report noting that the project
would violate the human rights of thousands of people and cause severe
environmental damage. Amnesty International alleges that the pipeline's
backers' agreement with the Turkish government strips local people and workers
of their civil rights.
A Kerry administration with Morningstar as national security advisor could be
expected to keep the BTC on track. Nothing much would change in the worlds of
agribusiness and trade either. In 1999, as U.S. ambassador to the European
Union, Morningstar issued a scathing attack on EU policy barring genetically
modified foods. "Politics and demagoguery have completely taken over the
regulatory process," he said. Bush's Agriculture Secretary, Ann Veneman, uses
virtually the same exact words.
Another of Kerry's foreign policy advisors is Rand Beers. Sean Donahue of the
Massachusetts Anti-Corporate Clearinghouse wrote a revealing account of
Beers'career for the Counterpunch Web site last month.
Suffice to say that Beers was the public face of Clinton's deadly
crop-fumigation program in Colombia. He once said under oath that Columbian
terrorists had received training in Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan. (A claim he
later had to withdraw.) "If John Kerry lets Rand Beers continue to guide his
foreign policy, a Kerry administration will be no better for rural Colombians
than a Bush administration," wrote Donahue. Voters who want Sen. Kerry to
offer a humane alternative to Bush should demand that the senator pledge now
not to make Beers secretary of state.
Rounding out Kerry's team is William Perry. As Clinton-era secretary of
defense, Perry spearheaded a post-cold war plan to restructure the defense
industry, but the Perry plan wasn't quite the "peace dividend" Americans had
in mind. Perry pushed a government program that paid military contractors to
consolidate, arguing that only vast conglomerates would have what it takes to
compete in the 21st Century. The Pentagon provided partial underwriting for
defense industry mergers. In what critic Bernie Sanders, I-VT, dubbed "payoffs
for layoffs," Perry's Pentagon picked up the costs of moving equipment,
dismantling factories and providing golden parachutes for top executives.
Foreign Policy in Focus reports that Perry had to get a conflict of interest
waiver before he could greenlight the merger-subsidy program. He worked as a
paid consultant for Martin Marietta immediately before joining the Clinton
administration.
Today, Lockheed Martin, which was created in a merger announced just months
after the start of Perry's policy, is the nation's top weapons maker. Its
component parts include Martin Marietta, Loral Defense and General Dynamics.
The mergers shrank company payrolls, but hugely expanded their political
influence. When he retired in '98 Perry joined the board of one of the
biggest-the Seattle-based Boeing Corporation. For those who are interested,
Perry also joined the Carlyle group, the Saudi-based firm whose partners
include no end of world leaders, including former British Prime Minster John
Major, former secretary of state James Baker and the first President Bush.
Anyone but Bush maybe, but many voters might also want to see in government
anyone but Morningstar, Perry and Beers.
Laura Flanders is the host of "Your Call" heard on KALW-FM in San Francisco,
and on the Internet, and author of Bushwomen: Tales of a Cynical Species,
forthcoming from Verso Books in March 2004.
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For PaisAn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:07 PM
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3. Vote your conscience in your Primary
Absolutely no reason not to. The Primary is often our only chance to vote for the person that we want as the Democratic nominee. Vote for your candidate - Dennis Kucinich.
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pop goes the weasel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 12:09 AM
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4. vote for DK
or Al Sharpton. I was planning on voting for DK anyways, and did today in early voting. And I'm telling everyone else I know to vote for DK or Al just on the principal that a strong vote for the unexpected candidates will get our poor overlooked county some attention.
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elsiesummers Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 12:34 AM
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5. Three choices:
First Choice: Vote for your favorite candidate.

Second Choice: Vote for the Veep. So - if you think Edwards, Dean, Clark or Gephardt would be a great veep - vote for that candidate.

Third choice: Vote for Kerry to strengthen his mandate.


Just showing up and voting for the Democratic Party - however you choose to do so - strengthens the party and the message.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 12:38 AM
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7. Excellent advice
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LSdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 12:36 AM
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6. Vote for your the person you want as president
From your post it sounds like that person is Dennis Kucinich.

You never know what will happen!
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