A Peace Offering

[seventhson]

From my first days at DU I have hounded and been hounded by the "Spooks" surrounding John Forbes Kerry.

I think my first battles were actually with William Rivers Pitt and BLM and a handful of other DU Notables. My beef at the time was over what I perceived as the bashing of Gore in favor of Kerry (and which I perceived as a Skull and Bonesian effort to destroy Gore as a presidential candidate) and the prevalence of this bashing and the laissez-faire attitude towards it at DU. On several occasions I ran into "problems" with the adminstrators here over what I believed was an anti-Gore and pro-Kerry (and hence pro Skull and Bones) bias).

I have since learned through a valuable experience that Skinner is really very fair anf balanced (in the true sense and not the Faux sense) and that Will Pitt was NOT an agent of the Skull and Bones right masquerading for Kerry in a blackops extravaganza.

Many here perceive my conspiracy research and knowledge (and, I suppose, some fantasy and illusion) as little more than bragadoccio and fluff. Others here have welcomed my viewpoints warmly and encouraged me. I will mention Eloriel and GB&C and Tinoire especially among many others (and not to forget great aunt of triplets who always made me feel good and BeHereNow who is who knows where now now).

But the primaries are now over.

I want to see Bush defeated perhaps more than almost anyone on this planet (and I know this is rhewtoical hyperbole) and as much as anyone on this board.

I am NOT happy that Kerry is the Democratic Nominee but I now have to live with that and look at myself in the mirror every day and ask myself: "What am I doing to help defeat that bastard and Nazi heir Bush?"

So I have GOT to make peace with those whom I share a common goal. I have got to make a gesture of good will and peace to those who must join together in the common goal for the common good: the elimination of the name Bush from electoral politics and presidential ambitions FOREVER (with few possible exceptions).

So I make this offering to those I have offended, to those I have insulted, to those I have attributed improper motives and allegiances to and to those who feel that my "take" on things is detrimental to the task at hand.

My political philosophy is, among other things, a notion that the battle for freedom and progress in America is a battle of attrition: i.e. an intellectual guerilla war fought on the battleground of ideas and in the theater of cyberspace.

So I fight hard.

Now I must fight hard to help politically destroy the worst disaster to EVER shame the good name of America and bring grief and misery and distrust and hatred of America globally.

I know many will reject it. Many will embrace it. And many have me on ignore.

All I can say is that you may not agree with me, but I do have a certain gift for persistence which can be made good use of in the efforts to unseat the Nazi supporters and corporofascts and warmongers and profiteers who sit in control of the White House.

I extend my hand and my heart in this gesture of solidarity with all who oppose Bush.

I hope it is accepted and we can move on to victory in November.

Now let's strategize and start the political ruination and downfall of the first real wholesale fascist American government!

I will join you if you will join me in this and let the ashes of the past blow into history.

Seventh Son

[jjmalonejr]

1. You're OK in my book.

I've been a Kerry supporter from the beginning, but I'd be right behind any of the excellent candidates we had running (even Holy Joe, but thank goodness THAT didn't happen!)

Glad you're of like mind.

[ewagner]

2. Although I have never personally

engaged one of your perceived sins, I want to compliment you on your gracious gesture. This kind of dedication to removal of Bush* is exactly the kind of attitude we need if we are to prevail.

You're a BIG PERSON Seventh Son.

[molly]

3. Swear on spit that you will never-ever-ever-ever

mention S & B again and we will welcome you - alrighty then?

on edit - WHOA - if you are serious - this is major.

[seventhson]

10. Skull and Bones is a problem

But Bush is a worse problem.

So - I cannot take that pledge except to the extent that I will use it first and foremost against the Bushes and their Skull allies and make an effort to bite my tongue when it comes to "problems" I perceive with Kerry's position on things.

Right now - other than the defeat of Bush - the issues will be the Demcratic platform and agenda.

If Kerry slips into a backsliding on the Democratic principles I embrace and adore, I may have to call him on it and "remind" folks that we must WATCH him like hawks (or, more aptly perhaps, like crows - who are notorious communal watchers and warners).

I am actually in some ways relieved by the finality of the Kerry candidacy: I failed in my mission to stop it and now I have no realistic alternative but to join in the ranks of those who support Kerry.

I STILL may not actually cast my vote for Kerry: that will depend solely on whether the polls tell me that my vote will not assist Bush in ANY way in terms of the final tally. And the polls will have to be solid polls that I trust in November.

But I must NOT adhere to a plan which will ultimately assist Bush in any way; so I must give my heart and hand to the candidacy of Kerry.

It is NOT an easy thing for me to do.

But I am a realist as well as an idealist.

So I can say with a qualified assertion that the Skull and Bones issue with respect to Kerry is pretty much a dead one.

It is on hold and in reserve and may not ever be needed.

But if Kerry fouls and feints and lists away from the Democratic principles which I hold dear - then I may have to call him on it. And I expect that may be a regular occurrence.

I am hoping he will do and say the right things and I expect that we at DU will play some significant role in seeing that that is done.

I know, for example, that Chris Heinz has posted here and that he has been engaged here: that means WE have influence here.

I would prefer that Kerry renounce and revoke his ties to S&B forever and irrevocably.

I may ask him to do that again and again.

But I do NOT need to use it to try to defeat him anymore in the primaries.

So I will generally refrain and desist from the use of that argument.

That may not be good enough. But it is the best I can or will do under the circumstances.

I'll try, though.

[MurikanDemocrat]

4. What does this mean in respect to anti-Kerry threads laced with

specious character attacks, speculation and innuendo with no supporting facts or documentation to back it up?

I'm not sure exactly what you're offering, and after seeing the other threads that were offered up in your last apology thread I am very skeptical about taking this one seriously. I just ran across another such thread last night that got locked. I think I'd rather see your actions.

I have an alternate suggestion. Why don't you join us instead of us joining you. (Kerry supporters/Those who seek to beat Bush) Deal?

[seventhson]

14. Joining must be a mutual undertaking

I will join you and you will join me, hopefully.

We join each other.

To defeat Bush.

You guys think I was hard on Kerry?

Wait till you see what Bull I can sling on Bush (and I do not mean false bull - I mean the Naziist Bushit bull that exposes the evil of these fascists)!

I may get banned for being TOO much a proponent of DU in this vein.

I am just getting started now that I am resigned to a battle with a leader who I feel I must advance ahead of.

[MurikanDemocrat]

18. Well excuse me but I'm not just now joining the party to defeat Bush.

I have always been there, and there's enough true stuff available without having to make shit up. I'm not going to support the creation of nonsensical or off-the wall BS just to make a point about Bush. That only causes us as a Party to LOSE credibility. Stick to the stuff that is easily proved by his record. There is PLENTY of that available. Bush really is a fucking criminal and an incompetent leader and a liar.

You never did say if you are going to lay off of Kerry now ... not constructive criticism, just that way out stuff. Hmmm?

[seventhson]

37. Me neither

But I also wanted to bring reform to the Democratic party and wash out the elitist leadership.

I have failed in that effort and I expect we all will be worse off for that failure.

I will critique or may critique Kerry to try to get him to be a better candidate - not to try to get him defeated.

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[blm]

6. I never gave up on you, seventhson.

I have been in the same place as you, with those who mocked my posts about Sun Myung Moon and his ties to Bush and the religious right.

I heartily disagreed with you about Kerry but never doubted for a second that you would support him over Bush.

[seventhson]

20. Let us make a deal BLM

Let's get the real dirt on Moon and his guys and the Washington Times and the guys in Argentina and Venezuela and Korea and REALLY raise hell.

I am like the guy who walks new into the schoolyard and will not back down, BLM.

I have battled with the best and will now make a good ally.

The real bullies are set to be defeated.

Cheney and S&B?

Bush and S&B? I will bang that drum.

But I need a new logo for a proKerry stance.

So WHAT if he was Skull and Bones: he is the best they ever produced (or something like that)?

Is Kerry a fascist and nazi-supporter? I doubt it. He is of Jewish extraction and he opposed the Vietnam War. His record is clear. He is opposed to the death penalty which is a barbaric anachronism in America today.

Is he a liberal? Nah - being a liberal is for wussies. Kerry fought and fought hard for his country - in war and FOR Peace. He is a progressive with BOLD populist idealogy.

Was he as tricked and lied to by Bush as the rest of us on WMD and Iraq? Of COURSE he was lied to by those right wing sacks of shit in the executive branch. He may have been fooled ONCE by Bush but he will NOT be fooled again (and he knows how to express that thought without stuttering).

I have to mount up for my country. I may not like the general but I DO believe in loyalty to the CAUSE of Democracy. As a good lawyer I know that you never admit a flaw in your case or highlight the negatives. I may have some clenching of teeth sometimes when I am unsure of the sincerity of the one who is leading this cause - but I sure as hell support the final goal in terms of ousting the pretender to the throne.

Once the general wins the war for the castle THEN we pressure him for reforms that WE believe we need. In the meantime the castle must be taken.

At the convention we raise hell too to be sure the general can hear us and will represent us nobly.

[blm]

38. Here's the Moon Primer. Completely footnoted.

http://www.geocities.com/nomoonies/chronicles/a_moon_primer.html

[seventhson]

40. Great Start - important info and truly scary, Thanks BLM

nt

[Sensitivity]

7. Peace and Love to All. On to victory!

[sistersofmercy]

8. Hey Seventhson, Welcome aboard!

Peace :toast: and let's send the runt* back to Crawford.

[woofless]

9. Sincere thanks......I needed that.

Onward to November and Freedom.

Woof

[seventhson]

41. Thanks back atcha

to all who accept this gesture

[union_maid]

11. United we kick butt! Welcome to a bandwagon with a purpose

That's a very gracious thing to say and very meangingful coming from you. What I fervently hope is that as time does on you'll be happily suprised by Kerry. I don't mean that I think you'll always be happy with everything he does. I don't expect to agree with him every step of the way either. But I hope that he'll be everything that I expect him to be and much more than you're daring to hope for at this moment. We will get those Bush bastards!

[BootinUp]

12. That sure sounds sincere

I'll meet you halfway...

And actually I never put you on ignore, your posts are too much fun to read.

:toast:

[Old and In the Way]

13. Well await to see your future posts.....

but I'm happy to see you on board, no bones about it.

[MurikanDemocrat]

22. No Bones about it ...

you just made me laugh .... :D

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[DoYouEverWonder]

16. We need to kill the fear

and start to create a more hopeful reality.

I too have my misgivings about Kerry. I think Kerry is someone who always had a lot of potential but somehow never fully lived up to it. I am still disappointed in his votes for the Patriot Act and the Iraq War, but I do understand that if he had voted against those bills, it would have been political suicide.

However, if come Jan. 2005, Kerry becomes the President, I think he will rise to the call and that he will do his best to fix the mess that Bu$hler has made of thing. I do think that Kerry is basicly a decent person. I hate to use the term evil, but when I look at Bu$h I see pure evil. I don't get that feeling of revulsion looking at Kerry.


Besides taking back America is more than just one person. It's all of us and it's time for us to kick the bums out of the WH.

Peace
PBWY
DYEW

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. SOA......Acxiom......Stephens Group.

Helped, IMO, to shed an UNDESERVED BAD light on my candidate. It was not long after you and your cohorts had endless threads on DU about those 3 subjects that they were reported on National TV. Your take on things WERE detrimental to MY candidate and I don't bury hatches quite so easily. Wes Clark didn't deserve what you did to him. He's a fine and decent man who gave 34 years of his life for YOUR country. That's all I have to say.

[HuskerDem]

25. I must remain with Incognito for the time being

Until I see better, I'll keep my reservations.

[seventhson]

32. Of course there IS always the question of the VP

which means my concerns about Clark remain intact.

[seventhson]

26. Clark brought that on himself - but it is water under a long ago bridge

so we can move on

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. Right,

the damage is done, so we can move on.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

19. I can live with this post so long as you know

While you believe some people are guilty of conspiracies, some people also tend to wonder if you are part of one given your penchant to extrapolate the tiniest piece of information out to some illogical end.

YOu should also know that when one tends to turn EVERYTHING into some kind of conspiracy, as with many of your posts, what you THEN end up doing is not only discrediting the most wild eyed of conspiracies, you end up discrediting areas where LEGITIMATE allegations of conspiracies do exist.

A PERFECT example of this having happened in history was when Kerry suspected that covert CIA operations were being funded with illegally laundered drug money. The story was picked up by the press, edited down in the name of column inches, and resulted by way of editing into the story being discredited (thereby discrediting Kerry's investigative work) in the media.

Everything is NOT a conspiracy.

Some things are.

Guilt by association is NOT evidence of conspiracy.

Policy being created by the American Enterprise Institute Scholars, and then being vetted and passed by politicians funded by them IS.

[XanaDUer]

27. What she said,

times two.

Also, I no longer recommend this site to other libs because I once made the mistake of doing that, and they came back and asked what the hell was going on on this site with all the conspiracy theories and crazy crap.

And these are NOT stupid people, they are college professors, members of MENSA, etc.

[cally]

21. We all must join together

to defeat Bush. If you can do it, we all can. Thanks for gracious post.

[never cry wolf]

23. I have not participated in one of your jousting matches

But I have read many. Even though I never felt Kerry was evil due to S&K, it does seem as if you do have a quantity of inside knowledge and know how to use it. I welcome your assistance and await your future contributions.

[Tom Rinaldo]

24. I feel much like ig_cog_nito AND I will accept your peace offering

Harmful statements and actions cause real harm. Accusations wound in a hundred ways, true or not. They have real effects and some of those effects can not be undone. But there is a future before us and I would much rather work together than against each other. I don't doubt your sincerity.

[David Zephyr]

29. Channeling Your Energy Against Bush Will Empower You.

I am happy to hear this from you. You have a very sharp mind and too much passion to waste it when we are all in great peril should this madman get re-elected or re-selected once again.

Don't burn your own house down just because you discover ants in the kitchen.

Peace.

[Dookus]

30. I don't believe you n/t

[seventhson]

31. Of course not! Otherwise you would not be a .....

Dookus.





Time will tell.

[Dookus]

33. heheh

I'll always be a Dookus.

I hope time WILL tell. But considering the history of your insane attacks on Clark on Kerry, I'll just have to see for myself. I hope you're right.

[seventhson]

36. Insanity is in the mind of the beholder

I am a student of history (especially the history of corporate fascism) and the sociopoliticxal networks of the power elites.

Those unfamiliar with C. Wright Mill's "The Power Elite" should get a copy. They go to the same prep schools and ivy league colleges. They internarry with their social register peers. They are largely wasp and anglophilic. There is now an international power elite which also gains entry into the elite clubs and societies and orders etc. due to their money and clout (the Bin Ladens come to mind as do the Pahlavi's and the Saudi royals, etc.) - the Bin Ladens funded HUGE projects at Harvard and MIT, I believe.


To say the issues surrounding such organized corporate fascism fueled by energy (oil, nuclear, coal, minerals, diamonds, gold, etc.) and military contracts and the people who are part of these elite networks (and certainly Kerry, Clark and even Dean with his Yale/Wall Street/Intelligence connections are a PART of these sociopolitical power/financial networks) is INSANE is - well - just - simply - ummm - NAIVE?

Uninformed?

Misinformed?

Deliberately in denial?

Obtuse?

Ostrich-like?

You get my drift.

America is listing and is in danger of going over the tipping point.

Bush and his criminal conspirators are thrusting the throttle forward into chaos and a violent end for humanity with perpetual global war and increased suffering for ALL of us. ALREADT BILLIONS LIVE IN DIRE MISERY and POVERTY.

We are the few lucky ones.

We need to face facts and DEMAND the best from Kerry.

I may well have been wrong about Clark but his ties to these bastards were just too deep IMHO for him to be trusted.

Frankly Kerry is still a cipher for me. I have no clue WHAT he is going to actually do to undo the disatsters we are in and the looming suffering ahead for billions of people globally.

And I am not sure Kerry will not be derailed and destoyed by even his "brothers" in the "order" who regularly eat their own.

I have faith and hope.

But it is NOT insane to mistrust a politician and his motives, especially when they are so well plugged in to the highest echelons of elitist power either from birth or by recruitment.

[DrFunkenstein]

34. I Remain Somewhat Skeptical, But I Welcome Your Gesture

Some of your past posts crossed more than one line in my book, but I am a great believer in redemption. Obviously, you have not come to a place where you are enthusiastic about John Kerry's candidacy, but that is fine. In fact, that is fantastic. Hopefully, others will follow your lead and help us get our collective head out of our collective liberal ass and get some wins on our side for a change.

If you can't be enthused about Kerry, get enthused about kicking Bush in the nuts.

[seventhson]

35. I am - metaphorically that is - not literally

I do not want to be anywhere near his privates - not even with YOUR foot.

Plus I am a pacifist.

No Kerry pisses me the f*** off.

Nader pisses me off a hunddred times more with his sneering smugness and Princetonian royal look at me-ism. Yuck.

I have many bones (heh) to pick with Kerry and his backers. But right now there is an army of fundamentalist antiChrist Huns swarming down upon us. If Kerry is a traitor to us we will ultimately (metaphorically) have his head. But for now he is our leader.

In some ways the story of Joan of Arc comes to mind. We are Joan and Kerry is the Dauphin (? is this right). Once he takes the crown will he be loyal to us and will he fight the evil crown and restore our land of liberty? Or will he just indulge?

But there are battles to be fought today. Against nader. Against Bush. Against O'Reilly and the corporate pimp media. Against the fascist pseudo-fundies who worship mammon and lucre (hence Satan in the vilest persective). Against Totalitarian regimes and enterprises who oppose democracy and freedom globally.

Let us forge ahead together. And hope that we do not get burned at the stake by our own King in the end.

[seventhson]

39. punt!

nt