Clinton is positioned perfectly to defeat McCain on Iraq

[Proud2BAmurkin]

Like it or not, "anti-war" candidates never do well in presidential elections.

This time around, the comfort zone for voters is someone who can't be labeled "anti-war" but wants to bring the troops home.

Clinton stuck by her IWR vote as the right thing to do and place the blame for the Iraq invasion on the shithead president, who had already said he could invade without it if he didn't get it, AND who lied when she sought assurance war would be a last resort.

McCain is "pro-100 years in Iraq." Clinton is "pro bring the troops home, this is a disaster."

Obama is anti-war. Anti-war is a loser because it translates into letting the country lose power or be destroyed out of a reflexive resistance to conflict.

[Tom Strong]

1. Obama = George McGovern. I'll do everything I can to stop my party from slashing its own wrists. nt

[Proud2BAmurkin]

2. Unfortunately that is a perfect analogy.

[Windy]

4. the unintelligent anti-obama posts are getting old.

Obama has no correlation to McGovern

I really question the motives of many vehement hillary supporters.

[Tom Strong]

6. I don't question your motives. I believe you're totally sincere...

...and about as street-smart as a newborn baby fresh outta its mother's vagina.

[Radical Activist]

14. Hillary = Humphrey '68

She'll divide the party and sacrifice the votes of people who want the war to end.

[polichick]

3. If anti-war candidates don't do well, why is Hillary anti-war these days?? nt

[LVjinx]

10. anti-war candidates

"If anti-war candidates don't do well, why is Hillary anti-war these days??"

Hillary is campaigning as strong on national security and defense, not on anti-war. She's said Bush led this march to war on false pretenses and completely mismanaged the effort. Not at all the same thing as being an anti-war candidate.

By that definition, John McCain is an anti-war candidate. Clearly a dishonest assertion. The difference is Hillary believes we need to end it, and McCain thinks it should go on and on and on.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

11. she's not.

[dkf]

5. "The Surge Is Working" and "The Iraq War is a Disaster" does not

compute.

Right now consensus is that the surge is working. Sorry but that is reality.

Unless you can argue the whole thing was misguided and serves no purpose, you aren't going to win this one.

[ingac70]

7. That is not the consensus...

Just because the media says its working doesn't mean that is what people think.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/09/snapshot_withdrawal.html

[dkf]

17. I recall hearing concessions on that from pretty much everyone.

Then they add the ...but

[Radical Activist]

8. Flip-flop, flip-flop, flip-flop.

You're fooling yourself. It will be John Kerry all over again. It won't matter what Hillary says about the war because people will see her as an unprincipled flip-flopper. Her shift makes her look weak and no one wants a weak leader in a time of war. Hillary's vote for the war makes her completely unelectable.

[Submariner]

9. She is "pro bring the troops home" ?

Then why did Hillary say in May, 2005 before the annual meeting of AIPAC “we will stay in Iraq as long as it takes”?

And why did she suddenly flip-flop when she decided to run for office?

She keeps dodging the answer. She is republican-lite.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

15. she is saying we've stayed as long as it took and now it's up to Iraqis.

no incosistency.

[LVjinx]

21. Republican-lite

Isn't that what Obama says he wants? Unity, someone who can work with Republicans? An end to divisiveness?

If so, Obama should drop out of the race and endorse Hillary right now, since she's so Republican-lite.

Obviously, that's ridiculous. And so is your entire argument. Clinton and Obama have virtually identical votes, records, and positions. And exactly *when* has Hillary said that we shouldn't stay in Iraq as long as it takes? She has said most troops should come home, but that the country can't be abandoned to civil war because of Bush's actions. My understanding was her refusal to disavow her past positions was one the main reasons Obama/Kucinich/Edwards supporters didn't like her?

[Lerkfish]

12. more and more, I'm convinced you made a wrong turn on the internet

why are you here?

[MercutioATC]

13. The problem is that then we're stuck with a pro-war President.

No thanks.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

16. the opposite of anti war isn't pro war in a presidential race, it's "responsible"

[MercutioATC]

25. Ahhh, but HRC is either pro-war, mentally incompetent, or politically opportunistic

...and I don't want any of those as my President.

[Yurovsky]

18. Hillary Clinton, Haliburton approved!!!

yes yes yes, we can't go having a candidate running around saying crazy things about our highly profitable efforts in Iraq, can we now?

For Pete's sake, Hillary's already given Chimpy the green light to whack IRAN.

She's pro-war. End of story.

[themaguffin]

19. Clinton is perfect if we want to lose like McGovern & Mondale

[Proud2BAmurkin]

20. "Anti war" candidates like McGovern and Obama always lose. Always.

[Lerkfish]

22. so, how much war do you really want?

Iraq, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua.

How much war makes you happy?

and if so, are you volunteering to ship out?

[Yurovsky]

24. It's a new day ...

and America is tired of this illegal war & occupation.

The anti-war candidate would win in a landslide, especially if there's another uptick in violence (as there appears to be now).

[OHdem10]

23. Excellent Analysis---Your understanding of everyday working

Americans is reflected in this analysis.

Especially blue collar men and women (democrats) who are very patriotic.
Keeping their support is imperative. This is the base of the Democratic
party--lose their votes and you lose elections. Yes, they are fed
up with the Iraq War and want it to end. Catholic Democrats fall
into this group often. They do not want us to appear in any
way shape or form as losers. Tom Brokaw tells of his parents
out in Red State America. They were true blue FDR Democrats
who opposed the war in VietNam. However, they recoiled at the
Anti-War Demonstrators of the 60s. It is a tight rope we are
walking and HRC seems to be balancing it well.

GOP turns Anti War into --Cut and runners, wavers of white flag of
Surrender and the line of theirs that burns me up--the Hate America
Crowd.

Thanks for posting