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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:50 PM Original message |
MoveOn's move will alienate many of their supporters |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. I disagree. |
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ursi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
46. I just voted in that poll and then I sent them money! |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
57. no matter who they endorsed, someone would be ticked off. |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'm for Obama and I too thought it was rushed. I'm glad Obama was chosen, but I thought MoveOn |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Thanks for your post |
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Freida5 (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
3. Absolutely great post. I cannot believe Move On endorsed. |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. I didn't really like unsubscribing, but |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
63. I didn't either but did. |
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Bluestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
4. I'm with you--everything you just said |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
5. Yes, at least 30% of them. |
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Freida5 (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. It is more than 30%. Many of us were not given the opportunity to vote. |
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jasmine621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. You are right about that. I am a member and I received not e-mail ballot. nt |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
59. Only 10% of membership got ballots - a "roving sample" |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
7. You mean the folks who voted? |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Maybe- I have no problem with the poll, but I do take issue with an endoresment |
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Irishonly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
29. I was emailed |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
9. I'm sure they weighed their decision |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Especially since the group was formed during the Clinton impeachment era |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. I didn't know--thought they were an anti-shrub group. |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Ironic, isn't it? The group that was formed to help the first Clinton |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
30. 90% of MoveOn's 3.5 million members did not vote for Obama. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Fraud? That's pretty harsh. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Please - over 90%? Those are massive numbers. "Misrepresenting" is too mild, by far. |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Sad, isn't it? And I thought they were above this kind of crap. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Show me one national poll that samples over 10% |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. This wasn't a poll, it was a vote. Scientific polls are not self-selecting |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #45 |
73. You're twisting things up... |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. The news is reporting that the MoveOn members voted for Obama. |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
51. Maybe you're right, since so many of Obama's supporters aren't progressives... |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
11. Isnt this same kind of attempted censorship we've long criticized the GOP for? |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
12. You aren't welcome? |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. It's the only way I know to signal that I disagree with MoveOn for |
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Uben (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
13. Real nice of them, wasn't it |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
16. I canceled my membership and wrote them why I was doing so... |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
17. The biggest problem is that MoveOn pretends majority of its 3.5 million folks wanted Obama |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. I thought they would be above this too |
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benddem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
19. It was a vote |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Less than 10 percent voted. Quorum anyone? Let's pretend members wanted Obama. |
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Freida5 (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. And how did they select voters. If you live in Chicago you can vote, the rest of us can't |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #23 |
67. bullshit. |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. It was a vote - it wasn't a poll so they can't extrapolate that 70% |
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comradebillyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
26. yes I terminated my membership with Move On |
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Freida5 (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
27. Many of us criticized the Republicans for fixing the vote. Did they use Diebolds? |
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
31. Answer *Honestly*: If It Were Hillary, Would You Be So Upset? |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Truthfully, it would have been nice to see Hillary win, but I would |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. For what it's worth, I would not only be upset, I would be disgusted. |
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #36 |
53. You believe Hillary is "above it"? |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. Try learning about uncommitted delegates going to the convention. |
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RFKJrNews (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
32. I was totally surprised by the MoveOn endorsement |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Obama said he is not "anti-war" |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
34. Well, I'm done with MoveOn. I'm not upset, but I think it was a poor choice |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. That's how I feel too |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
39. Do elected officials alienate their consitiuents when they endorse? |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. This isn't an elected official. It's a PAC which people donate money to |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. A neutral PAC? |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. A progressive PAC - that I donated money to |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. The news is saying that the MoveOn members voted for Obama. |
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Melinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
49. Oh, Bullshit. MoveOn is and has been the primary anti-war movement org. since 9/11 |
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Clintonite (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
52. Fuck move on! They will NEVER get another dollar from me. |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #52 |
69. Spoken like a true cultist. |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
54. Move on... |
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newmajority (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
55. Why the HELL would MoveOn members be supporting a DLC candidate in the first place |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
56. Yes. 30%. I think they figured that out. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. out of 10% |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
58. Using your money against your candidate - deceptive and fraudulent - I quit too |
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tandem5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
60. I've dropped them - no more money. nt |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
64. At first MoveOn asked IF they should |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. Idiots! |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
65. i stopped giving move on money when they refused to do or say anything about our voting machines in |
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mia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
66. Their nod to Obama = Bush's touting of Hillary's White House experience |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
68. Oh yes, at least ten on DU! |
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vanboggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
70. I ;just unsubscribed |
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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
72. All right Move-On, can I tell you something? |
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