Hillary voted against the Anti-MoveOn res in Senate..What was Obamas vote again?

[KennedyGuy]

As for MoveOn.org, Clinton stood up for them in the Senate during the Petraeus kerfuffle. Barack Obama ducked that vote (just like he did Kyl-Lieberman). But MoveOn members endorsed Obama anyway. Yeah, that's the way to hold those politicians accountable. That'll show 'im..
what a bunch of phonies...

[KennedyGuy]

1. kick

[robbedvoter]

2. "present"?

[neutron]

17. I'd like MoveOn to refund my donation

it wasn't much, but I support Hillary Clinton for President, not
Obama.

[Onlooker]

3. Well, what was his vote? n/t

[KennedyGuy]

4. He ran and hid...

[MADem]

7. "NOT PRESENT!"

:rofl:

[tridim]

5. OK, WE GET IT. You don't like Obama

You don't have to post it 1000 times.

[KennedyGuy]

9. I realize you guys don't like dissent..but you can't censor us for not loking Obama

sorry

[ErnestoG]

11. HELP!! CENSORSHIP!!

Gawd, who is trying to "censor" you already? Get a grip.

[KennedyGuy]

13. not censorship..just dont say anything we don't agree with

you ARE a case...
priceless and stupid..
but a case..

[Jed Dilligan]

39. The point isn't whom you say you support

the point is you are only a few posts south (if that) of being a board spammer.

[rucky]

18. Who is this "we" you speak of?

[tridim]

34. Please define "you guys"

This ought to be good.

[ClassWarrior]

6. What about the vote that put Betrayus in Iraq in the first place?

What were the two candidates' positions on that vote?

:eyes:

NGU.

[Alexander]

8. Oh, snap!

:rofl:

[nonconformist]

12. Well since one was just a mere state senator, he wasn't allowed to vote.

But, since he's been there, he's voted to fund it every chance he's had.

[elixir]

21. I guess you could have a position or actually commit to a vote. Let's talk about how many senators.

voted for the IWR...

[ClassWarrior]

27. Squirmy-squirmy...

That's not what I asked...

:rofl:

NGU.

[ErnestoG]

10. Another lying thread. Wow, you got a million of 'em.

It's a common rethug trick to take a "maybe" and turn into a "really". Just like you are trying to turn Obama's NON vote into a REAL vote against MoveOn.

Come clean now. These are just joke threads, right? Pure comical value?

[nonconformist]

15. Where was the lie?

I don't see it. The OP doesn't say that Obama voted against MoveOn... he says he ducked out and didn't vote, which is true.

[Tarc]

22. Obama followed the John Kerry Route of Vote-Explanation

in voting for the resolution bnefore he voted against it.

Obama declined to vote on the actual resolution, showing his lack of a political spine. Moments earlier he had voted "yes" on a very similarly-worded condemnation of MoveOn, showing his true intentions.

[KennedyGuy]

24. you ever have anything constructive to say ernie?

[LittleClarkie]

14. Your outrage would mean more to me if you weren't a Hillary supporter

I think that's why I kinda like comments from Edwards supporters, or Kucinich. They have no dog in this hunt anymore, so I tend to take their outrage more seriously. If they say it sucks, it might just suck. When you say it sucks, I read it as "They didn't endorse MY candidate. Fuck em".

[nonconformist]

20. Well if it means anything, I'm an Edwards supporter, and I think this sucks.

They're heralding Obama as the "progressive candidate" that MoveOn members overwhelmingly support, and that's just not true.

I will say that I prefer Hillary over Obama, but I'm NOT a Hillary supporter. My preference is just that, a preference of one over another.

[LittleClarkie]

23. That's cool.

I tend to look at you guys as the referee lately. Honest reactions are nice to have.

[ClassWarrior]

26. I'm an Edwards supporter, and I think the voting record on...

...the Blank Check for Invasion is more important than the Move On censure.

NGU.

[LittleClarkie]

28. Cool.

Did you get a chance to vote in the Moveon poll?

:hi: btw

[Azathoth]

16. Would you like some cheese with your whine?

[bigwillq]

19. Am I the only one

who doesn't care about the moveon endorsement? :shrug:

[Tarc]

25. I don't either, I just find it kind of pitiful on their part

to support the candidate without the political will to even give a "yea" or nay" on the final MoveOn/Petraeus resolution, while voting "yea" on a different version moments before.

[Fermezlabush]

29. he wasn't aware he voted "yes"

[Onlooker]

30. Would someone impartially try to explain what happened?

It sounds very strange to me.

[robbedvoter]

35. Moveon had an 8 h vote of less than 1/10% of their membership and decided

based on that to endorse Obama. Alienating a lot of their membership - some of them Edwards supporters, as he wasn't an option, some of them monthly donors who didn't even get to vote. they'll lose a lot of members over this move.

[Bitwit1234]

31. That was probab ly one he didn't show up for. But there were so darn

many he didn't show up for, it is hard to keep them all straight.

[Abacus]

32. I agree with his position & statement

I wouldn't have voted on it either, it didn't belong in the senate.

[depakid]

33. Sort of a Hobson's choice -so don't be too hard on Moveon

After all, remember how and why the organization got started....

[robbedvoter]

36. They didn't have to endorse in the primaries! My money will now be used against my candidate?

How f*ed up is that?

[depakid]

38. Good point...

Not the brightest move, from an organizational perspective....

[Freida5]

37. Obama and those present votes