Obama cant lose. why vote for clinton?

[dempartisan23]

i dont understand why we dont all support senator obama. i think he will be a landslide winner in november.

[maddiejoan]

1. Because I'd prefer

Hillary Clinton to my next President.

[SammyWinstonJack]

2. Okay.

:shrug:

[aquart]

3. Because I want Clinton.

And supporting Obama just because everybody else is doing it? When I was a kid that was the reason they gave me for smoking. I still don't smoke.

And the ones who did are dead.

[sunonmars]

4. and the award for dumbest post of the day goes to........

[SammyWinstonJack]

15. ...

:silly:

[ErnestoG]

33. yours.

[nonconformist]

5. Because not all of us think he can win, for one.

In fact, I think he can't.

[dempartisan23]

8. he will unite everyone

can hillary clinton overcome her past against mccain? the republicans will unfailrly smear her. obama's record is clean. they have no "ammunition" to use against him.

[nonconformist]

9. He's NOT uniting everyone... look around!

I wouldn't say that I'm a Hillary supporter necessarily... I'm an Edwards supporter that prefers Hillary over Obama. I think Hillary will have a rough time in the General. But I think she's got a decent shot at it. I don't think Obama has one.

And, one could argue that they've been trying to destroy Hillary for YEARS and yet she still has a great deal of support. All her closets are open, so to speak. She knows how to deal with the Republican dirty tricks. We don't know what will happen when months of attack ads against Obama start if he's the nominee. Remember, these are the same people that destroyed Kerry and Max Cleland, using their honorable military service. Don't underestimate them.

[dempartisan23]

19. there is nothing about obama to attack

have you listened to msnbc? the right wingnuts hate mccain. he will be easy for obama to beat because obama has broad based appeal.

[nonconformist]

30. Sure there is... they've already started.

His name, heritage and religious background are already being attacked. Silly? Sure. But so is most of their shit, but it seems to work with enough people to make a difference.

Obama is appealing to Republicans... why is that? Think about it.

[SammyWinstonJack]

34. Just wait.......

[yardwork]

52. There was nothing about Gore or Kerry to attack. The media made things up.

[sandnsea]

21. She can't even deal with Obama

who hasn't said anything worse than let's turn the page from the past. We've had a rightward slide for 15 years, that's how well the Clintons have been fighting Republicans.

[ErnestoG]

35. He's not uniting the Clinton zombies, no. Well wait, he is....

but then again that's not hard to do.

[yardwork]

50. Thanks. Insults like "Clinton zombies" always make me inclined to support Obama.

It works like a charm. Against your candidate.

[TornadoTN]

40. Hillary by no means "unites" anyone in our party - at all- but

She certainly unites everyone on the Republican side of the aisle against her. The general election scares me a great deal with her in it and thus our chances of trying to rebuild this once great nation.

I'm not a big fan of either candidate, but I don't feel Hillary is working for anyone other than herself and her special interests backers. She will have a difficult time pulling Independents and even our very own liberal base (which is neglected to an extreme degree)

[racaulk]

12. My take...

"he will unite everyone"

Not necessarily. He seems to be going out of his way to alienate GLBT voters, who are traditionally a strong Democratic voting block.

"the republicans will unfairly smear her."

I've got news for you, the Repukes (and their lapdogs in the media) are going to unfairly smear the Democratic nominee, no matter who the eventual nominee is. Clinton and Obama will get equally thrashed, they will just thrashed for different reasons.

"obama's record is clean. they have no "ammunition" to use against him."

They already have ammunition they can use. They will smear him for his voting record, his "present" votes, his lack of experience in the US Senate, etc. And what they don't have, they'll make up. Just think media redux of Kerry in 2004 and Gore in 2000.

[JuniperLea]

20. Thanks for that!

I'm shocked that this fact isn't getting more play... jeez. This is upsetting to me, and I'm not even gay!! I can only imagine how this feels.

[Bluenorthwest]

53. I am gay, and he's made more divisions that I can explain

He's not uniting the Party. He's made it almost impossible for me to remain a Democrat by inviting the Religious Right to his table, and to his campaign evets. There have been occasions of open gay bashing at offical Obama events. This is brad new to the DNC, and it should not be tolerated. Openly attacking any minority at any event is simply wrong. It was gay baiting with a religious wedge, and it is not new politics, it is old GOP style politics, the same politics that are making that Party so very unified this year.
All of this damage he did could be ended with a clear direct speech, free of religous code words, that promises to not use those divisive tactics again, and promises that gay Americans will not be faced with verbal attacks by Obama's preacher pals at Inauguration or at any point in his administration. Nothing short of that will gain my vote. Nothing short of that will keep me as a die hard Democrat. I have been a Democrat forever, but I will not promise to remain in a Party that will allow attacks on my family to serve the ambitions of it politicians. The man who did the most vicious attacks at Obama events actually sang a weepy song to and for George W Bush at GOP Convention 2004. While I for one was trying to unseat Bush, Obama's pals were promoting him with the same vigor they now give to Obama. The same man who wept for Bush in '04 attack my family's right to exist on Barack Obama's stage, by Barack Obama's choice. Perhaps the bashing was requested by Obama, we do not know, for Obama will not say.
It stinks and the whole Party should have been up in arms. These are Fundie, the same ones that oppose birth control and abortion, hiv testing and education, stem cell research, teaching evolution and the works. They are the Religious Right. And they are now a part of our Party in a way that loyal gay Democrats are still not allowed to have.
It was a huge, intentional slap in the face from a Party that I have come to see is pretty dang homophobic. Infested at the highest levels with Pentacostal dogma and bigotry. It is bigotry, pure and simple.

[LostinVA]

57. Good post

tip: it'll be easier to be raed if it was in paragraphs, and I think it should be read.

[JuniperLea]

58. "Recovering" Fundie here...

It's that bigotry that drove me away. And it's that association Obama has with these hypocrites that makes me feel in my heart of hearts that he is NOT presidential material. I cringe when I see people here who are caught up in the cult of personality and don't even give a passing thought to this horrific disenfranchisement of a segment of our human population. NO ONE should be left out of the human equation we call society.

I loved your post as much as I felt disdain for the people who have driven you to feel this way. You would think that someone who is part of another segment of the population that has had bigotry leveed against it would have more sense than to join in with stupidity of that level. I find it disgusting and immoral.

[SammyWinstonJack]

25. He isn't doing that so far. Uniting everyone that is. If you like him fine. Don't shove him down

my throat. I'll make up my own mind when the time comes. Clear enough for you? And the repugs will always find ammunition too use against our candidate. Swiftboat liars comes too mind.

[yardwork]

49. Did you notice what the media did to John Kerry? He was a war hero

and they smeared him.

The Republicans and the corporate-owned media will smear any Democratic candidate. That's no reason to let them choose our candidate.

[mondo joe]

51. Naive in the extreme. I hope you're under age 25.

That might be an excuse.

[jillan]

6. I don't think he can win.

And it worries me - alot.

He let Hillary walk all over him in the last debate.

Hillary is a pussycat compared to McCain.

[Arugula Latte]

28. I don't think she can win.

She inspires pure revulsion in Republicans, and she's the only thing that can fire them up in November.

[Steely_Dan]

37. Two Posts In A Row...

One says that "she can't win" and the others says "he can't win." You know...you're both right. Nice choice America. Good job in putting forward candidates that will certainly hand the election back over to the Repugs.

-P

[SammyWinstonJack]

39. Lovely, isn't it?

x(

[Arugula Latte]

43. Well, John Edwards was my first choice ...

I'm just saying, between the two, I think Obama is infinitely more electable.

[racaulk]

7. Do you have any lottery numbers you would like to share with us?

You know, since you already know what will happen in November...

:eyes:

[Clintonite]

10. Because we think with our own individual minds! We are not ditto heads.

[Clintonista2]

11. Obama is a lightweight. He can't win a GE.

[Bluebear]

13. Who wins the World Series next year, please respond so I can make a hugh bet.

[smokey nj]

41. Obama, silly!

:P

[AGirl]

14. because I dont think "He can"

[AndyA]

16. Obama has a few issues.

First, the anti-gay thing. He needs to fix that. Until he does, he's just a bigoted hypocrite.

Then, there's the relationship with Rezko. Maybe there's something there, maybe there isn't...but the corporate media will use this to their advantage to bring Barack down.

And...Barack said Bush/Cheney haven't committed any grave breaches of authority, and therefore shouldn't be impeached! Started a war based on lies isn't a grave breach of authority?

Outing a covert CIA agent during a time of war isn't a grave breach of authority?

As I said, Obama has a few issues.

And that is why he CAN LOSE. :eyes:

[JuniperLea]

22. Barack said Bush/Cheney haven't committed any grave breaches of authority

This is huge... and it turns my stomach!

[sandnsea]

23. Is that sarcasm?

You can't really be comparing a piece of land to the multi-millions that the Clintons have been involved in with people from all over the world.

And Obama has the endorsement of a variety of gay organizations, there's no anti-gay thing to fix.

So if that's all you've got, then I can only surmise you're being sarcastic about his "issues".

[AndyA]

44. No, that is not sarcasm.

There's more to Rezko than the land deal, and you know it. Just because it hasn't been an issue YET, doesn't mean that it won't be in the future.

Barack needs to address Rezko completely and fully, and I suspect he hasn't done that yet.

The gay issue is not going to go away. There are many gay organizations who have not endorsed Barack due to his hypocrisy. I don't think he can afford to offend any large group of voters, and he has certainly done so with the Donnie McClurkin thing. It's insulting to promote someone who says prayer can "cure" being gay.

And ignoring the very obvious illegal activities of Bushco is a big concern as well. I'd like to know what Barack thinks a grave breach of authority is. It's got to be pretty bad, if Bushco haven't done it.

As a former Edwards supporter, I'm looking closely at who to support going forward. I need answers, not smart ass snippy replies to my concerns.

[AndyTiedye]

17. I Voted For Edwards

I have grave doubts about the electability of both HRC and BHO.

[goodgd_yall]

18. What makes you think so?

I think Obama's and Clinton's main "liabilities" are their race and gender. It's going to be factor.

I'm hopeful our candidate can still win, but I think it makes it dicey for either Democratic candidate.

[hayu_lol]

24. So far in the primaries, Hillary is holding her own with Obama.

The more so when you consider Michigan and Florida. I know, Obama took his name off the ballot. That was his mistake caused by inexperience...his inexperience.

The campaign rhetoric will only intensify as we get on with this path to the convention. It will get progressively nastier. Hillary is equipped to deal with what comes up. Obama is not. He has never been subjected to what is coming at him.

We and the Repugnants know all about Hillary. Obama has much still hidden of his past. His inexperience at this level shows.

Back your candidate, but please leave mine alone. I shall return the favor. Discussion and debate are one thing...but smarmy comments that contain no facts no longer belong.

Hillary can and will win the nomination and go on to slaughter McCain who has as dirty a past as anyone on that side of the aisle. Keating Five for example.

[tandem5]

26. 'cause.

[557188]

27. John Kerry will destroy Bush

You people never fucking learn.

[SammyWinstonJack]

38. True.

[ronnykmarshall]

29. Can I have a bucket or two?

One to :puke: in and another to shovel this bullshit into.

[Steely_Dan]

31. Are You A Fucking Idiot?

Unbelievable post.

-P

[ErnestoG]

36. are you?

How's the name calling working out for you?

[bpeale]

32. he'll be landslided right back to the block in illinois by the MSM

there are plenty of people here who support others. just because you are a barackhead doesn't mean everyone is. we like thinking for ourselves. i'm with AndyA on this. there is just too much with him to be concerned about. and trust me, he's probably not as squeaky clean as you would like to think that he is ... and trust me, the MSM is lying in wait for him too. they won't let you know what they have now. that would spoil the fun.

if the MSM can make a hero out of draft-dodger Bush ... if they can make slime against Kerry & make it stick, obama will just be a better target because he's politically naieve. the MSM will make his wife into a main street hooker. you mark my words. they will. and there is more to this Rezko stuff than meets the eye. the MSM is not going to allow something silly like american voters to get in their way either.

as for hillary, i heard it said today that she can control her husband. well, she damned well better because he will lose this election for her if she doesn't. she needs to tell him to keep his damned yap shut and only speak when spoken to. hillary's issue with bill will be explaining his cozying up to the Bush crime family these past years.

they both have issues which is why i won't vote for either of them.

[SammyWinstonJack]

42. ...

:thumbsup:

[Gloria]

45. Wait til the RW machine gears up with Odinga....seriously...

there is a Kenya connection that they will really go off on...

[Marrah_G]

46. Because we have our own points of view? Because the candidate is not chosen by you and you alone?

Because you don't get to say how I vote?

Need any more reasons?

[opihimoimoi]

47. The Pubs /media are pushing Obama for a REASON...he is more beatable than HILLARY

Obama is a good guy with a good heart/etc and he honestly thinks he is following his calling...

But...the Pubs....they hope to kill/defeat him with all the dirty tricks not yet found in the book

Hillary has better odds with McLame...

[mondo joe]

48. Your question assumes we all share your premise. We don't.

[Clinton Crusader]

54. these words of wisdom after 73 posts..

is this just flamebait?

settle down, don't start a war here.

[goldcanyonaz]

55. Many prefer Clinton, why don't you change your support...

[MyNameGoesHere]

56. Because you are not Borg and i will not comply. n/t

[1corona4u]

59. Because people have a choice?

Just a democratic guess..