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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:19 PM
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The Choice: Why Obama's the Best Choice to Build a Progressive Majority (The Nation)


http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080218/hayes

(THERE'S SO MUCH GOOD IN THIS ARTICLE, IT WAS HARD TO DECIDE WHAT PART TO POST. HERE'S THE LAST PARAGRAPHS. PLEASE READ THE WHOLE THING.)

The question of who can best build popular support for a progressive governing agenda is related to, but distinct from, the question of electability. Given a certain ceiling on Clinton's appeal (due largely to years of unhinged attacks from the "vast right-wing conspiracy"), her campaign seems well prepared to run a 50 percent + 1 campaign, a rerun of 2004 but with a state or two switching columns: Florida, maybe, or Ohio. Obama is aiming for something bigger: a landmark sea-change election, with the kind of high favorability and approval ratings that can drive an agenda forward. Why should we think he can do it?

The short answer is that Obama is simply one of the most talented and appealing politicians in recent memory. Perhaps the most. Pollster.com shows a series of polls taken in the Democratic campaign. The graphs plotting national polling numbers as well as those in the first four states show a remarkably consistent pattern. Hillary Clinton starts out with either a modest or, more commonly, a massive lead, owing to her superior name recognition and the popularity of the Clinton brand. As the campaign goes forward Clinton's support either climbs slowly, plateaus or dips. But as the actual contest approaches, and voters start paying attention, Obama's support suddenly begins to grow exponentially.

In addition to persuading those who already vote, Obama has also delivered on one of the hoariest promises in politics: to bring in new voters (especially the young). It's a phenomenon that, if it were to continue with him as nominee, could completely alter the electoral math. Young people are by far the most progressive voters of any age cohort, and they overwhelmingly favor Barack Obama by stunning margins. Their enthusiasm has translated into massive increases in youth turnout in the early contests.

Finally, there's the question of coattails. In many senses there's less difference between the two presidential candidates than there is between a Senate with fifty-one Democrats and one with fifty-six. No Democratic presidential candidate is going to carry, say, Mississippi or Nebraska, but many Democrats in those states fear that the ingrained Clinton hatred would rally the GOP base and/or depress turnout, hurting down-ticket candidates. Over the past few weeks a series of prominent red-state Democrats, most notably Ben Nelson, Kent Conrad and Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius, have endorsed Obama. When I asked a Democratic Congressional candidate in the Deep South who he preferred at the top of the ticket, he didn't hesitate: "Obama is absolutely the better candidate. Hillary brings a lot of sting; he takes some sting out of them."

Whoever is elected in November, progressives will probably find themselves feeling frustrated. Ultimately though, the future judgments and actions of the candidates are unknowable, obscured behind time's cloak. Who knew that the Bill Clinton of 1992 who campaigned with Nelson Mandela would later threaten to sanction South Africa when it passed a law allowing the production of low-cost generic AIDS drugs for its suffering population--or that the George W. Bush of 2000, an amiable "centrist" whose thin foreign-policy views shaded toward isolationism, would go on to become a self-justifying, delusional and messianic instrument of global war? In this sense, Bill Clinton is right: voting for and electing Barack Obama is a "roll of a dice." All elections are. But the candidacy of Barack Obama represents by far the left's best chance to, in Buchanan's immortal phrasing, take back the bigger half of the country. It's a chance we can't pass up.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:20 PM
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1. In politics, it's not a good idea to rely on the kindness of strangers or Republicans. nt
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:27 PM
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2. that was a long article, you read it in one minute?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:43 PM
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3. Mookie must be a graduate of Evelyn Wood. But he must get so many fingerprints
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:04 PM
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28. PERFECTLY stated. Thank you.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:43 PM
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31. Mook gets the Nation and its e-mails. AND is a fast reader. nt
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:48 PM
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4. what are you willing to compromise on?


Abortion rights?
Gay marriage?
Perpetual war against terror?
Government wire tapping?
Gitmo?
Torture?

Just what are you willing to compromise with the republicans on?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:49 PM
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5. it's not about compromise. It's about getting VOTERS behind you to move the center left
if you'd read the piece, you'd understand that point.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:51 PM
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7. Even centrist dems don't want to move left.
You think Repugs will?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:13 PM
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14. My Republican parents are already left-of-center socially
Yes, some semi-sane repugs will move just a step or two to the left and vote for Obama.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:58 PM
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11. and he can get republican voters without compromise? n/t
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:07 PM
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29. He already is.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:50 PM
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6. We don't have to compromise on any of those. NT
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:58 PM
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10. Really....
then how is he going to unify?

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:55 PM
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8. First of all, Obama has NEVER said that he'd compromise on any of those
issues. In fact, he's said the opposite time after time. Secondly, do you understand that both the House and the Senate will be more democratic this time next year? 28 repuke reps are retiring; several of them in districts where they barely made it in 2006. They can see the writing on the wall. We will have at least 240 dems reps and at least 54 dem Senators plus Bernie. The next dem president will have a very decent chance of passing his or her agenda.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:58 PM
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9. So he's going to unify how?????
You don't think that will take compromise?

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:04 PM
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13. huh? you excel at non sequitors.
what a pointless silly comment.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:34 PM
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19. Nice dodge....
if you reach across the aisle to work with the other side how do you accomplish working with them without compromise?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:35 PM
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20. Have any of you seen how our Dems have Compromised with Bush after they won back
the House and Senate? Reid and Pelosi have bent over backwards compromising. And what has it gotten us? Subpoena's not answered ....Criminal Activities not prosecuted...Bush/Cheney who should have been impeached hardly breaking a sweat.

What...? You think Obama will just follow the Bush/Cheney way of governing and be a "Unitary President" who does everything by Signing Statements and Excutive Decree's?

The Repugs great Joy would be an inexperienced Obama that they could turn into another Bush....Puleeze.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:02 PM
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12. Hillary: "I intend to build a centrist coalition in this country"
For a Hillary supporter to attack Obama for talking about simple bipartisanship is the height of hypocrisy, especially when Obama has been a strong critic of the notion of centrism.

Obama won't compromise on any of those issues because its a matter of principle for him. I can't say the same for Clinton.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:17 PM
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16. Then why is he reaching across the aisle?
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 05:17 PM by mycritters2
Geez, do you people even LISTEN to your candidates?!
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:21 PM
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17. It's ok. You're just confused about the difference between centrism and bipartisanship
Let me teach you:

Centrism is defined as "The political philosophy of avoiding the extremes of right and left by taking a moderate position. " It implies taking a position halfway between the two opposing parties.

Bipartisanship, on the other hand, simply means working with opposition to pass legislation that will be beneficial to the American people. It implies nothing about moving toward the center and can often be accomplished without moving very far at all from your original position.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:22 PM
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18. Legislation that will be beneficial to the American people.
Like NCLB and the Patriot Act. Forgive me if this does not fill me with well, hope.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:35 PM
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21. Yeah, I know the definition.......
how are you going to pull far rightwing nuts to the center?

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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:46 PM
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25. Apparently you don't
Otherwise you'd know that what Obama's talking about has nothing to do with pulling "far rightwing nuts to the center". It's about pulling moderates to the left.
Hillary, on the other hand, wants to move to the center and screw over liberals.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:40 PM
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22. I do believe that Reid and Pelosi have been masters at Bi-Partisanship ....
If you think Sunny Skies and great Bolts of Lightening are going to come to the Beltway with Obama, the Preacher Man....you will learn...and our country is going to have hard times enough that we will all go through the great decline or implosion together...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:15 PM
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15. At least Christopher Hayes is honest.....his Brother works for Obama...
I read the article. It makes me sigh. Giving up principles to get the "young voter" ...and crossing fingers that Obama with his Corporate Funding as thick as Hillary's will make any of the changes we need...is just a "wish and a prayer." I'm saddened that our Democratic Party has left us with these two divisive choices. The "Rock Star" everyone loves and places their hopes in or the Wife of a former President who has so much baggage (much do to the RW and Corporate Media which isn't going away), that the Party is fearful that Repugs will come out and vote against her.

It's a sad day indeed when four small states decided for the rest of us that we would only have TWO Candidates left standing before the Rest of America votes.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:46 PM
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24. What is saddest is that there are so many smart and educated people, newspapers,
bloggers, etc, etc., etc., and they all seem to get it.

You don't.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:37 PM
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30. Yes...I'm "Nobody," ....but "Who are You?" n/t
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:45 PM
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23. Bill Clinton wanted to sanction a country for trying to save people from AIDS?
from the article:

"Who knew that the Bill Clinton of 1992 who campaigned with Nelson Mandela would later threaten to sanction South Africa when it passed a law allowing the production of low-cost generic AIDS drugs for its suffering population"
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:00 PM
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26. Just read the whole thing!
Go Nation!

GoBAMA! :woohoo:
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:02 PM
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27. I think he read my post from last night. :)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4307302&mesg_id=4307302

Here's some harsh words from Hayes about Bill Clinton's presidency:

Clinton's fundamentally defensive conception of how to defuse the Republicans on national security (neutralizing their hawkishness with one's own) is an example of a larger problem, rooted in the fact that so many of her circle served in her husband's Administration. Their political identities were formed in the crucible of crisis, from the Gingrich insurgency to the Ken Starr inquisition. The overriding imperative was survival against massive odds, often with a hostile public, press or both. Like an animal caught in a trap that chews off its leg to wriggle away, the Clinton crew by the end of its tenure had hardly any limbs left to propel an agenda. The benefit of this experience, much touted by the Clintons, is that they know how to fight and how to survive. But the cost has been high: those who lived through those years are habituated to playing defense and fighting rear-guard actions. We know how progressives fared under Clintonism: they were the bloodied limbs left in the trap.


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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:00 AM
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32. my issue with the Clinton presidency is Bill's ties to people like the pres of Kazahkstan
with his human rights violations, yet Bill introduces a Canadian mining corp. head and "friend" who wants to mine for uranium in Kaz., who then gets the go ahead from the human rights violator (president of Kaz.) b/c he has an "in" with Bill C. And then the head of the mining operation gives the Clinton Foundation millions as "thanks."

Bill C. is going to have to divest himself of these "friends" before I'll be gung ho for Hillary.

As someone who is anti-nuke I take offense that Bill C. is promoting nuclear power in Kaz. or anywhere else. I would not be offended if he were introducing a "friend" who wants to put up a wind farm or solar installation in Kaz.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:04 AM
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33. No Shapeshifters for me, thanks.
We need people who are real leaders who stand for something, not people whose opinions change according to who they're talking to.

Sadly we don't have any leaders like that in this race, only a small handful in Congress and only one in party leadership.

The Dem Party needs to recruit some new leaders, new candidates.
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