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Krashkopf Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:16 PM
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Lakoff's View - The REAL Difference between Clinton and Obama
I hope all Democrats, especially Edwards supporters thinking about supporting Hillary, will read this with an OPEN MIND.

Lakoff gives voice to the uneasy feeling I have always had about HRC, and the reason BHO's message resonates with so many - INCLUDING INDEPENDENTS and MODERATE GOPers.

George Lakoff

What Counts as an "Issue" In the Clinton-Obama Race?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-lakoff/what-counts-as-an-issue_b_84177.html?view=print
Posted January 30, 2008 | 09:20 PM (EST)

Political endorsements rarely make interesting reading. But this year is different. Take the endorsements of Hillary Clinton by the New York Times and Barack Obama by Caroline Kennedy .

To the editors of the New York Times, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama agree on policy goals:

"On the major issues, there is no real gulf separating the two. They promise an end to the war in Iraq, more equitable taxation, more effective government spending, more concern for social issues, a restoration of civil liberties and an end to the politics of division of George W. Bush and Karl Rove."

What matters to the editors is experience in "tackling ... issues" -- in mastering details of policy and carrying them out one by one. "The next president needs to start immediately on challenges that will require concrete solutions, resolve, and the ability to make government work."

To Caroline Kennedy, policy is not the real issue:

"Most of us would prefer to base our voting decision on policy differences. However, the candidates' goals are similar. They have all laid out detailed plans on everything from strengthening our middle class to investing in early childhood education. So qualities of leadership, character and judgment play a larger role than usual.

"I want a president who understands that his responsibility is to articulate a vision and encourage others to achieve it; who holds himself, and those around him, to the highest ethical standards; who appeals to the hopes of those who still believe in the American Dream, and those around the world who still believe in the American ideal; and who can lift our spirits, and make us believe again that our country needs every one of us to get involved."

The difference is striking. To the editors of the New York Times, the quality of leadership seems not to be an "issue." The ability to unite the country is not an "issue." What Obama calls the empathy deficit -- attunement to the experience and needs of real people -- is not an "issue." Honesty is not an "issue." Trust is not an "issue." Moral judgment is not an "issue." Values are not "issues." Adherence to democratic ideals -- rather than political positioning, triangulation, and incrementalism -- are not "issues." Inspiration, a call to a higher purpose, and a transcendence of interest-based politics are not "issues."

It is time to understand what counts as an "issue," to whom, and why.

In Thinking Points, the handbook for progressives that the Rockridge Institute staff and I wrote last year, we began by analyzing Ronald Reagan's strengths as a politician. According to his chief strategist, Richard Wirthlin, Reagan realized that most voters do not vote primarily on the basis of policies, but rather on (1) values, (2) connection, (3) authenticity, (4) trust, and (5) identity. That is, Reagan spoke about his values, and policies for him just exemplified values. He connected viscerally with people. He was perceived as authentic, as really believing what he said. As a result, people trusted him and identified with him. Even if they had different positions on issues, they knew where he stood. Even when his economic policies did not produce a "Morning in America," voters still felt a connection to him because he spoke to what they wanted America to be. That was what allowed Reagan to gain the votes of so many independents and Democrats.

There is a reason that Obama recently spoke of Reagan. Reagan understood that you win elections by drawing support from independents and the opposite side. He understood what unified the country so that he could lead it according to his vision. His vision was a radical conservative one, a vision devastating for the country and contradicted by his economic policies.

Obama understands the importance of values, connection, authenticity, trust, and identity.

But his vision is deeply progressive. He proposes to lead in a very different direction than Reagan. Crucially, he adds to that vision a streetwise pragmatism: his policies have to do more than look good on paper; they have to bring concrete material results to millions of struggling Americans in the lower and middle classes. They have to meet the criteria of a community organizer.

The Clintonian policy wonks don't seem to understand any of this. They have trivialized Reagan's political acumen as an illegitimate triumph of personality over policy. They confuse values with programs. They have underestimated authenticity and trust.

So do the pundits who pose the questions in the debates.

This nomination campaign is about much more than the candidates. It about a major split within the Democratic party. The candidates are reflecting that split. Here are three of the major "issues" dividing Democrats.

First, triangulation: moving to the right -- adopting right-wing positions -- to get more votes. Bill Clinton did it and Hillary believes in it. It is what she means by "bipartisanship." Obama means the opposite by "bipartisanship." To Obama, it is a recognition that central progressive moral principles are fundamental American principles. For him, bipartisanship means finding people who call themselves "conservatives" or "independents," but who share those central American values with progressives. Obama thus doesn't have to surrender or dilute his principles for the sake of "bipartisanship."

The second is incrementalism: Hillary believes in getting lots of small carefully crafted policies through, one at a time, step by small step, real but almost unnoticed. Obama believes in bold moves and the building of a movement in which the bold moves are demanded by the people and celebrated when they happen. This is the reason why Hillary talks about "I," I," "I" (the crafter of the policy) and Obama talks about "you" and "we" (the people who demand it and who jointly carry it out).

The third is interest group politics: Hillary looks at politics through interests and interest groups, seeking policies that satisfy the interests of such groups. Obama's thinking emphasizes empathy over interest groups. He also sees empathy as central to the very idea of America. The result is a positive politics grounded in empathy and caring that is also patriotic and uplifting.

For a great many Democrats, these are the real issues. These real differences between the candidates reflect real differences within the party. Whoever gets the nomination, these differences will remain.

It is time for the press, the pundits, the pollsters, and the political scientists to take these issues seriously.

George Lakoff is Richard and Rhoda Goldman Distinguished Professor of Cognitive Science and Linguistics at the University of California at Berkeley. He is the author of Don't Think of an Elephant!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:18 PM
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1. WTF does "empathy" mean?
Give me a concrete legislative example.
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Krashkopf Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:22 PM
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3. You must be a HRC supporter . . .
she doesn't have it, or know what it means, either.

Empathy = "I feel your pain." It must come from the Clinton side of the family.
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:24 PM
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5. John Edwards proposing
a plan to help the poor and working middle class that would have almost doubled his own taxes.
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Krashkopf Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:27 PM
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8. And THAT is the definition of EMPATHY . . . by example . . .
read my lips RAISE MY TAXES!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:21 PM
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2. Do you want a Leader or a Wonk in the WH?
Clinton is a bureaucrat, a legislator. Watch her in the debate, she hammers over and over, I legislated this, when I'm in office I'll introduce legislation, blah blah blah. People are look for leadership. It's a crucial moment in history.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:01 PM
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16. I want a wonk
I want a public servant

I DON'T want a "leader"

Chimpy styles himself as a "leader". I've had quite enough of that.
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Rydz777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:24 PM
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4. I'm an Edwards supporter, and I read it with an open mind, and
next Tuesday I will vote for Hillary.

It is easy to collect plenty of anti-Hillary digs; she's been fully vetted. It's only just begun on Obama, but I read his list of contributors and every major Wall Street firm has given him thousands. He's the one who says he will sit down and smooze with the corporatists and bring everybody together. Edwards said he would confront them, and Edwards, incidentally, said Obama's postures are fantasy - fantasy is pretty close to a "fairy tale."
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:28 PM
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10. Congrats on making a decision
but you're wrong about Obama. JE had as great a percentage of funding from corporate sources as Obama. Furthermore, Hillary takes lobbyist money and more in corporate funding. If that's your issue, at least be honest with yourself. Oh, and as the front page of the NYT today so amply demonstrates, she has NOT been fuly vetted.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:31 PM
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11. There's no such thing as "fully vetted" .
John Kerry was a freaking WAR HERO and look what they did to him. If they don't have any dirt on you, they make shit up.

They win when they attack our strengths, not our weaknesses. Watch what they do with HRC's 35 Years Of Experience(TM) in the general.
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Leo 9 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:25 PM
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6. Obama Says That His First Action as President Would be to Bring U.S. Troops Home from Iraq
Obama Says That His First Action as President Would be to Bring U.S. Troops Home from Iraq

Submitted by BuzzFlash on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 11:26am. Alerts
A BUZZFLASH NEWS ALERT

January 5, 2008

In an 11-minute interview with hometown Chicago radio broadcaster and journalist, Roland Martin, Barack Obama revealed that his first act, if elected president, would be to pull our troops out of Iraq as quickly as possible.

You can listen to the interview, conducted the morning after Obama's victory in Iowa here.

BuzzFlash has excerpted the key Iraq question and answer below. But there's a lot more interesting stuff to listen to in a rather candid, hoarse conversation between Obama and Martin.

Roland Martin: If you are elected what is the very first thing that you focus on as Commander in Chief of this country?

Barack Obama: Well, we will call in the Joint Chiefs of Staff. I will give them a new assignment and that is to bring our troops home in a careful, responsible way, but to end this occupation in Iraq. I will call in my Secretary of State and initiate the diplomacy that's needed to make sure that exit is accompanied by negotiations between the Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds.

snip

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/alerts/322
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:26 PM
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7. George Lakoff gets it.
Unfortunately many progressives, including smart ones who should know better, cannot see beyond Obama's literal words about Reagan to their real meaning. Even in writing that last sentence I expect to be flamed. "Yeah? Well it's what Obama SAID, isn't it?

Triangulation is compromising with Republican politicians to save your own political hide because you've failed to get the people to see why your ideas are the right ones.

Bi-partisanship is getting Republican politicians to go along with your programs because you succeeded in getting the people on your side.

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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:27 PM
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9. Thank you for posting this, I like George Lakoff
immensely. He is a very smart man. I joined Rockridge a while ago and look forward to their newletters. :hi:
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Krashkopf Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:32 PM
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12. I joined Rockridge, too . . .
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 04:33 PM by Krashkopf
I highly recommend it to all Dems. We should all be reading, thinking, and speaking, in "Lakoffese."
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:34 PM
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13. I read some Lakoff in school
my undergrad degree is in Philosophy. :hi:
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:48 PM
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14. Lakoff should educate himself more on policy
There are differences between Hillary and Obama and Obama is definitely positioning himself to the right of Hillary in economic domestic policy.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:56 PM
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15. Hillary triangulates, Obama compromises wisely
Lakoff is playing his reframing game.

This is either a gag article, or Lakoff was on acid when he wrote it.

--p!
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