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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:42 PM
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Why the Clinton-Kazakhstan Story Matters
31.01.2008

Why the Clinton-Kazakhstan Story Matters

Chris just flagged a Josh Marshall item about the Clinton-Kazakhstan story which, like Chris, I think is a little off the mark. Josh writes that:

One point that should not go unmentioned is that what former President Clinton is described as doing in that Times article is little different from what the first President Bush has done in his post-presidency. And his son is the president. So if it would be a problem with Bill, and I think it would be, it unquestionably is already a problem with the current president's dad. And no one has seemed to much bother about it.

That's fair enough, as far as it goes. But I don't think it goes very far. As Chris points out, the two Bushes weren't implicitly running as a presidential duo--to the contrary, W. generally tried to distance himself from H.W. when campaigning (and certainly after).

And there are several other ways in which context matters here. For example, one of Hillary's chief talking points is that, unlike Obama, she's been "fully vetted." This story demonstrates that to be false. Also, while people may have had negative associations with first Bush presidency, tackiness-verging-on-sleaziness wasn't one of them. (I'm not saying H.W.'s crowd was never tacky or sleazy, just that this wasn't a major narrative in retrospect.) But the average voter hears a story like this and immediately thinks Marc Rich, or some such. Finally, a major storyline of W.'s 2000 campaign wasn't whether or not he could "control" poppy; the question (even hope) was whether poppy could/would control him. But that's one of the major unanswered questions about a future Hillary Clinton administration. Needless to say, this story doesn't alleviate those concerns.

And that's all before you get to the actual details of the story, which are somewhat egregious. (SeeIsaac for one particularly nauseating piece.)

P.S. A bonus point: If they weren't already on the Clinton influence-peddling beat, every investigative political reporter in America now is. And, unlike sexual indiscretions, it's a subject they're completely unambivalent about pursuing.


Now, Democrats are aspiring to be the Bushes?

According to Hillary's campaign:

Regarding President Clinton's letter to President Nazarbayev:

The letter sent by President Clinton following President Nazarbayev's reelection was a routine letter that the former President's office regularly sends to world leaders on such occasions.


Routine?

Clinton Congratulates Dictator on Election Victory!

That New York Times piece which Noam alluded to earlier about Bill Clinton helping broker a shady mining deal in Kazakhstan has this charming anecdote:

Indeed, in December 2005, Mr. Nazarbayev won another election, which the security organization itself said was marred by an “atmosphere of intimidation” and “ballot-box stuffing.”

After Mr. Nazarbayev won with 91 percent of the vote, Mr. Clinton sent his congratulations. “Recognizing that your work has received an excellent grade is one of the most important rewards in life,” Mr. Clinton wrote in a letter released by the Kazakh embassy. Last September, just weeks after Kazakhstan held an election that once again failed to meet international standards, Mr. Clinton honored Mr. Nazarbayev by inviting him to his annual philanthropic conference.



President of the Republic of Kazakhstan

President Nazarbayev was born on the 6th of July, 1940. In 1967 he graduated from the Technical higher education institute of the Karaganda metallurgical industrial complex. He holds Ph.D. degree in economics. In 1969 he started his political career being involved in Party and Komsomol activity. He was elected as the First President of the Republic of Kazakhstan on the 1st of December, 1991. On the 29th of April, 1995 the referendum extended his presidential term up to the year 2000. In 1999 and 2005 was reelected as the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan. He is an academician of the National Academy of Science of the Republic of Kazakhstan, International Engineering Academy, Social Science Academy of the Russian Federation, Honorary Professor of the M. V. Lomonosov Moscow State University. Mr. Nursultan A. Nazarbayev is the author of the number of books and articles.

link


The Clintons Kazakhstan problem

Hillary's role in the Clinton/Guistra/Kazakhstan deal looks more like "good cop, bad cop"

Oh, this is rich: Taylor Marsh tries to defend Hillary by throwing Bill under a bus

People have taken issue with the Clintons and Bushes

Too many in the media are likely looking the other way.



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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:54 PM
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1. Ah HA!!! THE NEW REPUBLIC!!!!! They're "so" friendly to DEMOCRATS....NOT
Shattered GLASS, anyone???????


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Glass

Of COURSE this is a BIG STORY to TNR!!!!!

:rofl:

If it craps on the spouse of the candidate, it's "all good," eh? Politico, TNR, Drudge, who cares how spurious the source?

Do the GOP's work FOR them!!

They want to knock the strongest Democratic candidate out of the race, in order to give McCain a clear path to the Presidency.

If they managed to push Clinton aside, they'd be all over Obama like a cheap suit!

It ain't rocket science.

:rofl:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:03 PM
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3. why won't the Clintons release their tax returns? What are they hiding?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:10 PM
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5. OOoooooh...where's OBAMA's State Senate correspondence??? OOOOOOooooh!! nt
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:44 PM
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9. with Clinton's papers from the WH. Now, as for Tax Returns, it seems Clintons have been making
many, many millions and engaging in quid pro quo with some real scum.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:52 PM
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10. Someone's been reading discredited rightwing rags, like the New Republic, I see!
:rofl:

Why don't you give us a few cites from, oh, I dunno, POLITICO and DRUDGE too?

You know, all those "unbiased" sources....how about an article or two from the NY POST!!

:rofl:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:19 PM
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15. Every publication or group on the left that criticizes the Clintons becomes RW n/t
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:24 PM
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8. What makes you think they haven't?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:11 PM
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6. They're quoting Josh Marshall and the NYT, but don't forget the link to the Clinton Foundation. n/t
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:58 PM
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2. It matters because YOU want it to matter
You are really trying to hard. You make yourself look like a fool.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:04 PM
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4. Actually, Open Government isn't foolish. Supporting Clinton in what sure looks like
a sleazy quid pro quo is not wise.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:14 PM
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7. "You make yourself look like a fool." No you are! Maybe you prefer to take
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:32 PM
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11. More from Josh Marshall:
Late Update: I dashed this post off quickly. But after receiving a number of emails to this effect, I have to agree that the relationship between a father and son is simply not comparable to that between spouses. So while it's ridiculous that Bush Sr.'s buckraking hasn't drawn more attention, if Bill Clinton were to do this out of the White House the two would simply not be on the same par. Not even close.


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:05 PM
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12. Who we are as a country?
Human Rights Watch: Kazakhstan

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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:06 PM
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13. kick and rank!
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:19 PM
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14. K & R
:kick:
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