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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:34 PM
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Has the Obama camp EVER played the "Gender Card"? No. Because their campaign is cleaner. Period.
I said this a long time ago.

The method of taking down a woman politician is time-tested and well-known. It has been done for a long time and there is no mystery to it.

You imply they are emotional.

You imply they are fickle, hysterical, shrewish, vindictive, scornful. You say they are frustrated. You say they are too motherly and not strong enough.

Whatever you can do that pushes those gender buttons.

You know the buttons I mean, right?

Like in the case of black people, things like: Unpleasant, uppity, UNFRIENDLY even when WE TRY to be friends with them. Involved with the STREET, the SLUMS, the DRUGS. The RELIGIOUS thing too. Blacks and their CHURCHES... Even when they work out well, are just YOUNG boys we are PROUD of. Then there are those MUSLIM ones. The list goes on.

Open your eyes, drop the preconceptions and you will see who is taking the high road and who is taking the low road.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:40 PM
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1. The Clintons demonstrated unequivocally in So. Carolina they have set up tent on the low road.
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:43 PM
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2. uh, forgetting something?
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 01:47 PM by bidenista
"You imply they are emotional."

Damning with faint praise:

But he acknowledged that, with John Edwards now out of the race, Democrats are poised to make history whoever wins the nomination. He credited Clinton with “evoking a lot of passion among women.”

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/shared-blogs/ajc/politicalinsider/entries/2008/01/30/clinton_has_evoked_a_lot_of_pa.html


So not only is Hillary a "divisive" shrew who has to depend on her man to fight for her (as the Obama camp has spun it), but even her SUPPORTERS are just hysterical women who listen to emotion instead of intellect.

Nice.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:51 PM
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4. I saw it on CNN
He was in his preaching mode at a church in I think Colorado. Anyway, CNN went on to say, when he threw that out he was trying to isolate Hillary's vote to older women. I remember it well.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:11 PM
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13. CNN says a lot of things..
I'm kind of surprised that with so much available on the internet...like actual speeches...rather than 'spin' people still have so much faith in the cable news network. Go figure.
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:46 PM
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27. Guess you haven't seen the barrage of Hit Diaries
from the Obama Camp on Daily Whore.
They've been pumping them out for months.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:01 PM
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31. Oh, I missed that. Thanks. Passionately I'll vote for her, woman that I are...
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:45 PM
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3. His camp plays the divisive cards that they think will work for them
That was the case in Nevada with radio ads aimed at hispanic voters. That is the case regarding deepening a generational divide in the electorate; Past Vs Future is vague enough to cover that aspect of the campaign message while spreading it just the same. Women are a majority in America, but especially of Democrats. No sane male Democratic candidate would ever intentionally play anything that could even be mistaken for a gender card.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:17 PM
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15. I think that those competing...
in an election try to garner the most votes. In so doing, they like to spread their message to as many people as possible...hence advertisements in Spanish. It's a really odd thing, but people pay attention to a candidates 'words'. Some actually base their vote on what they hear the actual candidate say. It's so novel.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:36 PM
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22. It wasn't the language spoken in those ads, it was what was spoken in that language
"Hillary Clinton does not respect our people. Hillary Clinton supporters went to court to prevent working people to vote this Saturday — that is an embarrassment.

Hillary Clinton supporters want to prevent people from voting in their workplace on Saturday. This is unforgivable. Hillary Clinton is shameless. Hillary Clinton should not allow her friends to attack our people’s right to vote this Saturday. This is unforgivable; there’s no respect

Sen. Obama is defending our right to vote. Sen. Obama wants our votes. He respects our votes, our community, and our people.

Sen. Obama’s campaign slogan is “Si Se Puede” (“Yes We Can”). Vote for a president that respects us, and that respects our right to vote. Obama for president, “Si Se Puede” (“Yes We Can”)."

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:44 PM
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26. Oh yeah...here's that lawsuit...
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:58 PM
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30. It wasn't the criticism of the lawsuit that was the problem
I repeat, it was the words spoken. OK, since you seem to want to discuss this point, here is my full opinion:


"I read the statement from Barack Obama's campaign in response to their being challenged to defend the radio ad in suport of Barack Obama that was aired in Nevada by the Culinary Workers Union, and it disturbs me.

Let me be clear from the outset. I have never questioned the political free speech of ongoing membership based orgsnizations like Unions.
The Culinary Workers Union in Nevada is not an entity that sprang up solely to effect one political campaign in Nevada. It will remain after this election, and it will continue to have a membership which I assume has means through which to hold it's leadership accountable. It has a right to fight for things it believes serves it's members, and that right extends to attempting to influence political contests.

I also understand that the legal effort to declare casino workplace caucus sites invalid was a controversial one and I do not fault this union, which had a direct stake in the outcome of that lawsuit, for being vocal in their views regarding it, including their belief that Hillary Clinton attempted to make their members ability to caucus more difficult. I do not believe Obama needs to defend himself regarding a Union which supports him releasing an ad that attacks Hillary Clinton.

However I am profoundly disappointed in the statement made by Obama's campaign regarding the controversy over the ad broadcasat on his behalf because that statement pointedly makes zero reference to the aspect of that union ad which has many people like me most upset; the overt racial card that it injected into the Nevada caucus contest. Here again is the text of that ad:

(Translation from Spanish)
"Hillary Clinton does not respect our people. Hillary Clinton supporters went to court to prevent working people to vote this Saturday — that is an embarrassment.

Hillary Clinton supporters want to prevent people from voting in their workplace on Saturday. This is unforgivable. Hillary Clinton is shameless. Hillary Clinton should not allow her friends to attack our people’s right to vote this Saturday. This is unforgivable; there’s no respect

Sen. Obama is defending our right to vote. Sen. Obama wants our votes. He respects our votes, our community, and our people.

Sen. Obama’s campaign slogan is “Si Se Puede” (“Yes We Can”). Vote for a president that respects us, and that respects our right to vote. Obama for president, “Si Se Puede” (“Yes We Can”)."

John Edwards laid out the racial concern about that ad pointedly in his email sent out to tens of thousands of supporters. He also reminded all of us of the pledge made at the last Democratic debate by all Democratic candidates to steer their supporters away from engaging in those divisive tactics:

"Just a few days ago, on a stage where all three of us were participating in the debate, there was a discussion of putting behind us and stopping the race politics that had been going on for a few days before that between Senator Clinton and Senator Obama. And everyone pledged that this kind of divisive politics that divides the Democratic Party and could divide America would come to an end.

Senator Obama made that pledge. I was sitting five feet from him when I heard him say it. And now it turns out that in the last 24 hours, there's a radio ad that's being run — a malicious radio ad attacking Senator Clinton. That is exactly that kind of divisive politics. It's being run right here in Las Vegas.

I denounce it. This kind of ad, I don't care who's doing it — in this case it's Senator Obama's supporters — but this sort of thing needs to stop."
John Edwards

The race issue is clearly on the table but Obama has totally ignored it, which makes the only reply I can find by his campaign to the controversy that ad stirred completely meaningless to me:

“Sen. Obama believes, and has said clearly, that campaigns should fund themselves and discourages supporters from spending outside the campaign,” said campaign spokesman Bill Burton. “But no one should be confused about the effort that was run on behalf of John Edwards in Iowa. In that case, it was not the independent speech of individual union members, each contributing small amounts to amplify their voices. It was a special project of outside donors funding a massive 527 effort run by one of Edwards’ top political lieutenants."

“It’s not our ad — the first we learned of its contents was from press reports. If the Clinton campaign has questions, they should contact the union that sponsored the ad whose support they sought throughout the course of this campaign. But coming from a campaign that is repeatedly launching absolutely false attacks against Sen. Obama, it takes some chutzpah. The facts is their camp clearly would like to have worker’s voices silences and they need to live with that unfortunate position.”
Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton.
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2008/01/ad-war.html

Rather than tackle the racial question head on Obama's spokesperson chose to attack Clinton instead. All I wanted from the Obama campaign was HIS reaction to that racial sub text in the ad. It was appropriate for Obama to remind people that he had no direct control over the content of that ad. It was fine for Obama to say that he can't answer for someone else what their literal intent was. It would have been fine with me if Obama offered his own opinion that the Union did not actually intend to make a racial slam against Hillary. But he still could have, and in my opinion should have, expressed discomfort with how that ad could, at minimim, be "misconstrued".

Instead his campaign punted. "Don't ask me, ask them". I wanted to know what Obama thought about that ad's wording. His campaign spokesperson was perfectly comfortable talking directly about other aspects of it's contents, the aspects regarding the lawsuit to deny casino caucus sites for example. But when it came to the race baiting element suddenly he had no words to say other than "If the Clinton campaign has questions, they should contact the union..."

For anyone who might cling to a fig leaf cover that there was no racial card played by the union in the text of that ad, I ask you to read that text again. The radio ad does not begin with any mention of a lawsuit, it begins with the statement "Hillary Clinton does not respect our people". And it ends with a false claim about the Obama campaign adopting a widely used latino pride slogan.

This was not an internal newsletter sent out to Union members. It was a public radio ad heard by the general public. Within internal union communications the phrase "our people" would be understood to refer to fellow Union members. But the vast majority of people who heard that ad were not union members. Still, perhaps it can be inferred from context that "our people" meant that specific union's members only - even though that concept was dangerously ambiguous in the context of the ad. But the ad did not stop there, one sentence pointedly noted that Clinton did not respect "our people" AND that she did not respect "our community" in sequential progression.

This was a community radio station. Listeners perhaps could deduce that "our people" was only a reference to the Union's members, even though confusion about that in many people's minds was completely predictable. I believe it was always inevitable that many who heard the ad would assume "our people" mean latinos. But the ad went even further in claiming it was "our community" that Hillary does not respect also. What percentage of listeners do you figure would conclude that both the phrases "our people" AND "our community" broadcast over a public radio station were both internal references to the Culinary workers union members only? Be honest.

At the very least it must be admitted that an unintentional racial message was broadcast in the text of that ad, if not an intentional one. THAT is what I wanted Obama to distant himself from. He chose not to and instead used his reply to land another blow on Clinton. I honestly expected better from him."

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:18 PM
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32. I remember it well..

Burton, Obama's campaign spokesman, replied in an e-mail, that the Clinton objections "take some chutzpah."

"The fact is their camp clearly would like to have worker's voices silenced and they need to live with that unfortunate position," Burton wrote.

Chris Bohner, a spokesperson for the Culinary Workers Union, an affiliate of UNITE HERE whose Nevada local has endorsed Obama, defended the ad, saying his union's leadership was deeply offended by a lawsuit filed by supporters of Clinton that aimed to shut down nine casino precinct sites for the Nevada Democratic caucuses.

"We can't think of a more negative and disgraceful political tactic than publicly supporting a lawsuit that would disenfranchise thousands of workers, bell hops, dishwashers, housekeepers, recent immigrants who've just become American citizens," Bohner said. "The ad intends to point out the fact that the Clinton campaign is supporting this lawsuit, which is entirely appropriate, and we completely stand by the ad. We've waited for the Clinton campaign to denounce the lawsuit and they didn't."

The ad is running on Spanish radio. Unlike earlier labor efforts undertaken on behalf of Clinton and Edwards in earlier contests, the UNITE HERE commercial is not paid for by an independent "527 group." It is paid for by the union, which is permitted as a means of communicating to its 60,000 members, Bohner said.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/17/unite_here_to_air_radio_ads_fo.html
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:58 PM
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5. Right. We have never heard any of these things being said about Clinton from the BO camp.
:eyes:

Are you joking?

Do you remember FacialExpressionGate?

If you're going to parse racism in a campaign, you ought to parse sexism and classism as well.

And the sexism and classism is as rampant as the racism. Case in point: we have a thread that actually apologizes for McCain saying that he "hates Gooks" in 2000. That's racism, yet some of those same racists support Obama.


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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:06 PM
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6. My yes
Heaven forfend someone mentions anything about Obama.

It's racist to talk about Obama.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:07 PM
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8. You are a shadow of your former self. Your responses have become cartoon-like.
n fucking t.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:09 PM
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10. To you maybe
Personally, I find your distortions of Hillary Clinton to be willfuly malicious.

I know you are smarter than this.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:10 PM
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11. Pink dress. nuff said.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:15 PM
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14. Congratulations.


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ThatPoetGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:07 PM
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7. LOL!
All the subtle racial comments from the Clinton camp taken together don't add up to Obama's appearance on Saturday Night Live...

where Hillary was portrayed as a witch.

Burn her! Burn her!
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:09 PM
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9. I have not watched Letterman in a long time, so I missed that.
How did he portray her as a witch?
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:21 PM
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17. It was a SNL skit, not Letterman.
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ThatPoetGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:23 PM
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18. It wasn't Letterman, it was Saturday Night Live.
In the sketch, Obama played himself; an actress played Hillary. They're at a costume party. The actress playing "Hillary" is dressed in a bridal gown. Other people at the party come over to her and say, "Love the witch costume, Hillary!"

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=7603

And yes, portraying a female opponent as a witch IS playing the gender card. It's playing into all of the worst assumptions about women. It's an open wound on all the hatred and hostility towards women for millennia. "Suffer not a witch to live," as it says in the Old Testament. In the Middle Ages, whole villages slaughtered all the women, accusing them of witchcraft.

Centuries of brutality, violence, hatred, misogyny, and murder. That's what Barack Obama invoked, in his cameo on SNL.

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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:11 PM
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12. Of course. There's nothing he wouldn't stoop to doing.
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:19 PM
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16. Yes he did. He used the words "beauty contest" to describe Clinton's win in Fla.
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 02:20 PM by electron_blue
There are many other ways to describe what went down in Florida, but to use the phrase "beauty contest", which Obama did, is playing the gender card.

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magatte Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:24 PM
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19. that is a VERY common expression, when people are only going on name recognition/appearance
rather than town hall meetings and policy debates which come with a proper campaign...
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:55 PM
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28. Yes, it's common. In fact, playing the gender card is common, period.
That expression being common doesn't help his case any.

I think very highly of Obama. It's jut not true that his 'camp' has never played the gender card. It'll be played even more before this summer and even Clinton will play that card. Hopefully it won't get very nasty on either side.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:27 PM
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20. That's because the media does the job for him.
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 02:28 PM by Harvey Korman
She's "shrill," he's "forceful." She "cackles," he laughs. She's an appendage of her husband, he has a strong spouse. She "pushes" her way into the spotlight, he draws attention. And on and on.

Oh, and don't tell me that Obama saying "I don't know which Clinton I'm running against" didn't have sexist undertones.

Open your eyes.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:37 PM
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23. "I don't know which Clinton I'm running against" had TRUTH overtones, not sexist ones.
How many people are voting for Hillary because they feel comfortable knowing a guy who did the job successfully for 8 years will be there?

Open YOUR eyes. It's true. Nothing sexist about it.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:39 PM
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24. How many people are voting for Obama because Dem establishment figures like
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 02:41 PM by Harvey Korman
Kennedy and Kerry gave the thumbs-up?

Personally I think it's a far more frivolous reason to vote for someone.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:42 PM
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25. I don't know the answer. I think most had already decided to be honest.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:32 PM
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21. They're both childish. We need an adult who isn't a corporate shill.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:57 PM
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29. No. They played the "Victim card" Official strategy:
Obama's campaign manager and surrogates are hosting a conference call later and will fill in some of the details.
"Advisers believe that the more the Clintons poke at Obama, the more sympathetic he becomes,"
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/01/obama_and_clinton_to_clintons.php
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:24 PM
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33. The boomerang effect
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