Look for Obama to pound Hillary on IWR, NAFTA tonight.

[Unsane]

You heard it here.

[UALRBSofL]

1. I hope he does

I like when he is in attack mode while Hillary stays calm and sticks to the issues and how she will be able to fix Bush's mess.

[Unsane]

3. Fix the mess she helped create?

That's rich.

[blm]

11. Clintons do 'FIX' messes for Bushes, don't they? 'FIXED' IranContra mess so well we got

stuck with Bush2.


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

Fixed BCCI report so none of the outstanding matters would see the light of day throughout the 90s - and we ended up with Bush2, 9-11, this Iraq war and future war with Iran.

Yep - Clintons are really great at fixing Bushes' messes.

[Unsane]

13. Does President Hillary mean JEB in 2012? BARF.

Say NO to oligarchies.

[blm]

14. Amazing that so many Dems want to PRETEND there is no Bush-Clinton-Bush connex

that have effected this nation in drastic and tragic ways for so long.

[goldcanyonaz]

2. Oh dear.

:scared:

:rofl:

[UALRBSofL]

6. It will be interesting

How people will perceive this debate if Obama attacks Hillary and she doesn't counter attack.

[pampango]

7. If Hillary's internal polls who Obama gaining, then she almost has to attack him

with intent of poking a whole in his image as a transformative person who is not a typical politician. Keep the pressure on him, and hope that he makes a mistake since he is not as skilled a debater as she is. If they spend the debate yelling at each other, while it hurts them both, it hurts Obama more.

If her polling shows that Obama has no big bump from SC or Kennedy, or that Florida canceled them out, then she should be more "we're all one big happy family of Democrats here" to help eliminate bad vibes left from South Carolina.

[Sulawesi]

17. Good Post!

[KittyWampus]

20. exactly, Hillary's high negatives and collapsing numbers mean she HAS to try and draw blood

and make Obama look as negative as possible.

Though your point about divining which ways internal polls are indeed going by what she does is very, very insightful.

[Unsane]

8. Agreed

[Zueda]

4. I hope so!

That is probably the MOST important difference between the two. With Edwards out he can now emphesize on this much more effectively.

I have notice more regarding this in his recent stump speeches.

[suston96]

5. I hope so. Hillary, all by herself, authorized the war resolution...and Obama funded it....nt

[JohnnyLib2]

9. And many will underestimate her......

yes, I'm saying that a lot.

[UALRBSofL]

21. I just read the article about Obama and marijuana

I wonder if it would be a good counterpoint to bring up in the debate tonight if he gets real nasty with his attacks? Just curious what people think.

[Unsane]

31. I'm wondering how that hurts him in a Democratic primary.

You don't think marijuana should largely be decriminalized?

[Nimrod2005]

10. I hope he does on NAFTA too....nt

[Unsane]

12. I think he will.

I added it to the title.

[leftynyc]

15. I'm sure once she reminds him

that not only was she not the president at the time, she wasn't in the senate either, he'll look quite the fool.

[Nimrod2005]

16. She wants to build a bridge back to the last century?

[leftynyc]

24. Where are getting this nonsense? (eom)

[Tatiana]

18. The rumor is that Hillary tried to talk Bill out of NAFTA.

And she doesn't seem to support it now, so Obama will not be able to win on NAFTA.

[Barack_America]

26. No, Hillary's opinion on NAFTA only changed as its failures became obvious...

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/peas_in_a_pod.html

[Tatiana]

30. So she changed her mind, like Edwards did on the Iraq War vote.

She voted against the Central American Free Trade Agreement in 2005, saying the pact lacked strong protections for foreign workers and that President George W. Bush was failing to enforce existing trade laws.

She also joined her New York colleague, Senator Charles Schumer, in backing legislation imposing trade sanctions on Chinese exports unless the government in Beijing agreed to stop holding down the value of the yuan. Last month, she sent a letter to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke warning about China's ownership of $350 billion of U.S. debt.

<snip>

To help allay suspicions that she's been hijacked by free- traders from her husband's team, Clinton asked Thea Lee, the AFL- CIO's policy director, and Michael Wessel, who had been a top aide of Nafta foe and former House Democratic leader Richard Gephardt, into strategy discussions to debate pro-traders.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=atUKcP4eSEvY&refer=politics

I don't know if her conversion is sincere or not, but that's what she'll claim and how she'll neutralize herself on the subject of NAFTA.

[Barack_America]

33. If she's claiming that being First Lady gave her "experience"...

...and that she was an important part of Bill's administration, then the policies she supported THEN are fair game. When Bill was President, Hillary supported NAFTA.

[Tatiana]

35. Agreed that it's fair game. But she's repudiated those views.

If it counts for Edwards, it should count for Clinton too.

[blm]

32. Hillary seemed powerless and couldn't get Bill to ignore Reagan's transformational

hold over Bill's view of governance.

heheh

The era of big government is over = Dem president ACCEPTS Reagan's worldview on government.

[KittyWampus]

19. Again, w/ dirt on Bill Clinton coming out now, he needs to ask why they're hiding their tax return

what are they hiding and don't they believe in Open Government.

[Stephanie]

44. And they need to disclose the Clinton Foundation donors.

They need to do that immediately.

[Coexist]

22. if he is smart, he will push NAFTA to lure Edwards blue collar voters

I think a lot of tonight will pander to Edwards/Undecided voters.

[Unsane]

29. agreed

Although I don't think it's pandering if Obama does it. He truly believes NAFTA needs detailed reform.

[LostinVA]

23. It would be foolish for him to mentiuon IWR

Talk about a Pandora's Box...

[Barack_America]

27. Lol. It would be foolish for him NOT to mention it.

If nothing else to point out that she is unable to admit a mistake, much like somebody else we know...

[UALRBSofL]

37. Hard to say what will happen

But if it turns out to be an all out brawl I'm sure both Obama and Hillary will attack each other on there past in reference to shady deals, corrupt government, etc. Rezko will come out, Wal-Mart both Hillary and Obama's dealings, legalizing marijuanna, who's financing (Obama.truth), and I'm sure Obama will do the same to Hillary. I'm not sure what Obama and Hillary have on each other but if it's an all out brawl I hope it all comes out tonight.

[AtomicKitten]

25. Go get her, Barack!

[elixir]

28. HRC will take him apart on actually voting ("present") and taking responsibility for your vote

[Barack_America]

34. Good, then he can nail her on spreading false information about...

...those present votes.

And we'll get more leaders of Planned Parenthood and NARAL switching to Obama. It was a bad idea for her to use the right to choose as a false attack against a rival.

[UALRBSofL]

38. It's time for her to take a stand against Barack

With his camp attacking her with mailers, phone banks and using the MSM to attack her. I hope every little bit of dirt comes out in the debate between Obama and Hillary.

[Barack_America]

39. At least his "attacks" are true. n/t

[blm]

41. So Hillary WOULDN'T have voted the way Planned Parenthood asked Dems to vote?

Are you sure?

Surely if Hillary could vote for bills the way Bush asked her to, she could have found a way to do the same for Planned Parenthodd, the way Obama did when asked, eh?

[Maven]

36. Obama is not opposed to NAFTA. He actually praises globalization.

Threads like this show how many of his supporters haven't actually read his positions.

[krabigirl]

40. I don't see the point on the IWR vote, since he wasn't in Congress. but ok :)

I am not into either, so I'll just bring popcorn and watch.

[Alter Ego]

42. I look forward to tonight--it'll be interesting

and I think whoever wins will have the big MO into Super Tuesday.

[surfermaw]

43. Can't wait to see how many of Edwards votes Hillary get

And it is going to be many...Tenn..is really looking good.

[Zueda]

45. Kicked. You were half right!

Too bad NAFTA didn't get brought up by the mods.