Hillary claiming "crap" on IWR

[Perky]

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5615

More Negative Mail From The Obama Campaign, Another Misleading Attack On Hillary
1/30/2008 4:01:03 PM

Yesterday, on NBC Today, Sen. Obama claimed that "throughout this campaign, the tone that I’ve set has been a positive one." Nevertheless, Sen. Obama is launching misleading attacks Hillary in another negative mail piece, being distributed in Connecticut:


Here's what the mailer doesn't tell you.

Sen. Clinton explained to Tim Russert, "I was fully briefed by the people who wrote . I was briefed by the people from, you know, the State Department, the CIA, the Department of Defense." Sen. John Kerry, a supporter of the Obama campaign, echoed these sentiments saying, "I didn’t read the full report because I got it from them straight."

The Obama campaign also fails to mention that news outlets have reported that only a handful of senators chose to read the classified NIE, rather than rely on in person briefing by its authors. A number of those who say they read the NIE, including Sens. Rockefeller (D-WV) and Feinstein (D-CA), also voted for the war authorization.
So she claims that she simply trusted the BushCo Spin? And she is attacking Obama for calling he on it.

[City Lights]

1. If she took Bush's word she's naive.

So much for her 35 years of experience.

[Bread and Circus]

7. She explicitly states "I take George Bush at his word"

What kind of a fucking idiot is she or what kind of idiots does she think we are?

Either she was fooled or she was trying to fool us.

Which was worse?

[calmblueocean]

2. Sorry, but Kerry was wrong here too. READ the REPORTS, folks. Verbal 'briefs' are not sufficient.

Not when war is on the line.

[JackRiddler]

3. These excuses make her look worse.

So she claims to have read nothing and to have known nothing in advance of (unconstitutionally) surrendering to the executive the Congress's power to declare war, but to have been deceived by the gangsters. And this is an excuse? And it's better because other Democrats were equally irresponsible? And this is what we should call a leader?

23 Senators did vote against the war authorization.

The information was available to anyone who can read and judge for themselves. From the weapons inspectors themselves - the people who would know best - such as Blix and Scott Ritter. From the foreign press. And from any common sense examination of the absurd information and faulty logic of the Bush mob's presentation of the case for Iraqi links to 9/11 and non-existent Iraqi "WMD programs."

[Perky]

4. .

[Unsane]

5. Senator Clinton sided with Bush and the republicans; Senator Obama did not.

Obama showed better judgment and leadership on the IWR issue.

[leftynyc]

19. I guess we'll just take his word

since he wasn't in the senate at the time.

[Unsane]

24. He spoke out against it at the time.

Senator Clinton sided with Bush and voted for it.

[leftynyc]

27. Plenty of people spoke out

and then still voted for it. I still haven't heard an explanation about how since this was such an awful vote, why is the senator trumpeting the endorsement of two well known senators who also voted for it.

[HooptieWagon]

6. She's pretty gullible for a claimed 35 years experience

Can we really afford to have ANOTHER president who doesn't read?

[sidwill]

8. Let me sum up Hillary on the IWR

She

Trusted

George

W

BUsh

and

Dick


Cheney.


Thats all ya gotta know.

[GoldieAZ49]

9. IT IS THEIR JOB - What they were ELECTED TO DO

If they are not doing their job they should not be re-elected. They represent the people that voted for them. They should read the report and make an informed decision It is their FUCKING JOB that they get paid very well for, not to mention all the perks. They authorized the POTUS to go to war if he wants to, they are every bit as responsible as he is for the war.

What, pray tell, did any of them have to do that was more important? A press conference? Campaigning? There is no excuse.

Hillary wants to talk about Obama's voting record, not her own, that is BULLSHIT. If she, or any Senators, are not responsible for their votes than they are a useless branch of government and should be eliminated and save this country and the taxpayers a hell of a lot of money.

Hillary knew EXACTLY what she was voting for, not limiting the power of the POTUS, because she wanted that power if she was elected.

[Perky]

10. Not a single sniveling response from the Hillbots?

[GoldieAZ49]

11. They cannot defend her vote

any better than she can

[george_maniakes]

13. maybe they are taking the high road...

and not wasting their time responding to the bait. Heres hoping tonights debate makes both candidates look good.

[City Lights]

18. Good one!

:rofl:

[GoldieAZ49]

15. They are too busy with the SNUB real decision making issue don't appeal to them

[Justice Is Comin]

12. Let's roll back the clock

and put Obama in the senate where she was and I would be showing you where he didn't read the NIE either.

When you can compare apples to apples, then you know how many apples you have.

[Perky]

14. She did not do her job. she relied completely on BushCo spinners

it is deplorable laziness.

You can't assign the same blame to Obama he was not there.

[GoldieAZ49]

16. kick it

[AtomicKitten]

17. I hope she metaphorically chokes on her morally bankrupt "yes" vote on the IWR.

[DUyellow]

20. Graham says that not only did he read it — it is what moved him to vote against authorizing Bush....

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10782562

National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq in 2003:

Blitzer asked Clinton on Sunday whether she regretted not having read it.

"Wolf, I was thoroughly briefed," Clinton said. "I knew all the arguments. I knew all of what the Defense Department, the CIA, the State Department were all saying. And I sought dissenting opinions, as well as talking to people in previous administrations and outside experts."

At Tuesday night's Republican debate, both John McCain and Sam Brownback said they had not read it, either.

But former Florida Sen. Bob Graham, who chaired the Intelligence committee at the time, has said he read the NIE. And Graham says that not only did he read it — it is what moved him to vote against authorizing Bush to invade Iraq.

[Barack_America]

21. Wait. This is total BS...

If she took it on their word and did not read the report, she did trust their spin.

That's just fact.

She took them on their word, which turned out to be spin.

I can tell you another Senator who read that report, Chairman of the Armed Services Committee, Carl Levin. And his response? To draft the Levin Amendment and vote NO on the IWR.

Now, Levin is one of the most senior and respected members of the Senate. If someone like that reads the report and finds a problem with what is written vs. what has been said...wouldn't that convince you to read the damn thing for yourself?

And, at the end of the day, wouldn't it just be easier to say "I made a mistake" than attempt to backpedal in 10 different directions?

[zulchzulu]

22. So did Hillary vote for the IWR or not? Yes or No?

YES

[Barack_America]

23. She was tricked!

So her judgment is intact. Err...wait a minute there...

[GoldieAZ49]

25. It was a political power vote

So that she could wield the same power as POTUS

political ambition at the expense of sending a nation to war is an ugly thing

[Avalux]

26. Geez. Hillary didn't read it - she "listened to people she trusted" to make her decision.

Those words in quotes came from a meeting she had with Code Pink members right before the bombs fell. In it, she talks about how Saddam should be removed from power and his WMDs. During her campaign, she talks about helping children; did she not stop to think of all those who would be killed by our bombs?

Here's the video for those interested (singing at the beginnning):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYATbsu2cP8