DO NOT ask me to visit Obama's web site to read up on him.

[Tyler Durden]

OK. Now I'm Mad.

I do not want to hear any more commercials for Obama from the mouths of his supporters. DO NOT parrot the talking points: I want hard target policies and solutions.

And DO NOT tell me to go to his web site. His "Talking Head" that I could not shut off and the insistence on signing up for the Campaign or at very least the Mailing List was offensive.

So...what have you got? I want GET OUT OF IRAQ stuff without using the same whatever the generals say line that Bush uses. I want HEALTH CARE without putting more money that could be used to CARE for people in the pockets of CIGNA or KAISER PERMANENTE. I want DEMOCRATIC PARTY VALUES AND PLANKS, not get along with Republicans; they are like Sauron: they do not share power. I want RESPECT AND EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW; Plessy v. Ferguson was in 1896: separate RULES for LGBT people is no different that racial segregation. I want ELECTIONS without CORPORATIONS playing the tune; the election system is BROKEN: How will he FIX IT?

TELL ME what he will do about these things, and give me LINKS that do not require me to sign up for his campaign, or make me sit through his forced "You Tube" speech.

Otherwise, tell me to just fuck off, and I will. Count on it. This is NOT a "Hit Job" on Obama; Clinton's stuff does not fill the bill either, but I don't even KNOW what Obama wants or will do except for 2nd/3rd hand supporters' spiels or sound bites from his stump speech.

Convince me.

[debatepro]

1. What is hillary's answer to these questions?

Just curious? You don't really seem interested in voting for him anyway... isn't it obvious from your tone and obvious bias against him. Don't demand the same thing from Hillary... that doesn't make you a undecided voter IMO.

[Tyler Durden]

8. I ask for OBAMA materials to finally educate myself, and you give me "Hillary Hillary Hillary."

Brilliant.

I already KNOW where she shills from. What I see from Obama is that he just talks a better game.

SHOW ME HOW HE IS DIFFERENT without generalities or the stump speech, or I'll just fuck off until November and vote for whatever "D" is still left alive.

[pacalo]

38. Scary, isn't it.

I'd like to know myself why, after 7 grueling, nightmarish years, Obama is the man we've been waiting for to give the Democrats relief. I'm very disappointed, to say the least, that most talk about what a great orator, how much "charisma" he has. The aesthetics don't cut it. The Rethugs thought the boy king had the same qualities.

[rodeodance]

2. I have never visited his website--figure I get enough of that VISION thingy stuff by

listening to him

[debatepro]

3. "vision thingy stuff"

LOL... your not undecided... move along and go have a love fest on the billary website.

[LostinVA]

25. Knock off the RW slurs and people will take you seriously

[Inuca]

11. Why am I not suprised? n/t

[Adelante]

4. Once you're down off your high horse

Maybe.

[MannyGoldstein]

5. He's Being Endorsed By More Than 80 Volunteer Gitmo Lawyers

Because of his active role in trying to bring justice to that awful place:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4304349&mesg_id=4304349

Perhaps that tells you something about his views on justice an the Constitution.

Gotta run now - I'll leave the rest for others.

[AndyA]

6. Honestly, Tyler, I don't think it makes any difference.

The corporate media, now having pushed Kucinich and Edwards out of the way, will be going after Barack next. Look for increasingly negative stories on him. Slowly, but surely, they will begin the erode his support.

Rezko will become a big deal when his trial starts. The judge is already pissed off at him, and has revoked his bond. And despite Obama's denial of a long standing, close relationship with Rezko, the facts seem to indicate otherwise.

The press will either take Obama down now, leaving just Hillary, or they'll wait until he's the Dem nominee and then take him down. The voting machines are still on the GOP's side, don't forget. Either way, they're going to get what they want.

[Catch22Dem]

7. Why is it someone elses responsibility to give you this information?

That's the part I don't understand.

[Tyler Durden]

10. Because I'm not signing up for his ARMY to get some information.

So I'm asking for a hand here, without any more of the "BILLARY" bullshit. I KNOW where she stands and I don't like it much either. I want to WORK for someone, but I won't work for "either/or."

[Inuca]

13. Sorry, but this is nonsense

You do not have to sign for anything to have access to the info on the site. As to the video on the home page that you found so annoying, did you notice that nice tiny square beneath the video? Do you know what it is good for?

[Tyler Durden]

16. I hit that square TWICE before it went off.

His little "ad" went over poorly in my largely Republican office. Autoplay video/audio is not conducive to my coming BACK.

And you have to fill out the FORM. WHY?

[Catch22Dem]

18. You don't have to fill out any form

Are you talking about the front page where there's a thing for your e-mail address with a red button that says "Learn More"? If so, right below that is "Continue without signing in" which takes you right to the main page, which doesn't have any auto play videos.

Why do you give a fuck what your repuke office thinks? Why do you have your speakers turned up where everyone can hear them?

Sorry. I've concluded you're just bitching for the sake of bitching.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

22. I just tried the website again, after reading your post and did not see where I could enter

without providing personal information.

:shrug:

[LostinVA]

27. I just tried it, too, and I was asked to enter info

[Perky]

52. You can't bypass it?

[SammyWinstonJack]

33. I just went there and you don't have to give any personal info or join .

Just click on the message at the top of the page, is all.

[stillcool]

49. No form here...

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

but there are rather lengthy explanations on where he stands on various issues. Do you want someone to give you a condensed version?

[Catch22Dem]

15. Sorry, but you're pretty much full of shit

I just went to the website. I've never signed up for anything there. I got straight in. I didn't have to watch any videos. I went to the "Issues" tab and got the answers (Obama's plan) for each of the issues you mentioned in the OP. I'm not sure why you think you have to sign up and watch videos.

[cali]

9. LOL! YOU are making all kinds of demands while demanding

that no one else do. There have been tons of posts about just what you demand to know on DU- just in the last 24 hours.

And frankly, it's YOUR obligation to do your own homework, like I did mine. I'm not trying to convince anyone on DU to do anything but that. And you don't need his website either. You can easily find the good, the indifferent and the bad all by your lonesome.

[BeyondGeography]

12. We've a big spoon for feeding and you've got a big mouth

Now open wide.

[DrFunkenstein]

14. Here's a Start

Let me just note that you sound lazy and whiny, and perhaps you should think about how you come across to people.

You don't mention the environment, but it is an issue that is very important to me, so I thought I'd share what I think is a very progressive platform.

------


Cap and Trade: Obama supports implementation of a market-based cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions by the amount scientists say is necessary: 80% below 1990 levels by 2050. Obama's cap-and-trade system will require all pollution credits to be auctioned. A 100% auction ensures that all polluters pay for every ton of emissions they release, rather than giving these emission rights away to coal and oil companies. Some of the revenue generated by auctioning allowances will be used to support the development of clean energy, to invest in energy efficiency improvements, and to address transition costs, including helping American workers affected by this economic transition.


Require 25% of Renewable Electricity by 2025: Obama will establish a 25% federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) to require that 25% of electricity consumed in the U.S. is derived from clean, sustainable energy sources, like solar, wind and geothermal by 2025.

Invest $150 Billion over 10 Years in Clean Energy: Obama will invest $150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure, accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of commercial-scale renewable energy, invest in low-emissions coal plants, and begin the transition to a new digital electricity grid. A principal focus of this fund will be devoted to ensuring that technologies that are developed in the U.S. are rapidly commercialized in the U.S. and deployed around the globe.

Double Energy Research and Development Funding: Obama will double science and research funding for clean energy projects including those that make use of our biomass, solar and wind resources.

Invest in a Digital Smart Grid: Obama will pursue a major investment in our utility grid to enable a tremendous increase in renewable generation and accommodate modern energy requirements, such as reliability, smart metering, and distributed storage

Increase Fuel Economy Standards: Obama will double fuel economy standards within 18 years. His plan will provide retooling tax credits and loan guarantees for domestic auto plants and parts manufacturers, so that they can build new fuel-efficient cars rather than overseas companies. Obama will also invest in advanced vehicle technology such as advanced lightweight materials and new engines.

Increase Renewable Fuel Standard: Obama will require 36 billion gallons of renewable fuels to be included in the fuel supply by 2022 and will increase that to at least 60 billion gallons of advanced biofuels like cellulosic ethanol by 2030.

Invest in a Skilled Clean Technologies Workforce: Obama will use proceeds from the cap-and-trade auction program to invest in job training and transition programs to help workers and industries adapt to clean technology development and production. Obama will also create an energy-focused Green Jobs Corps to connect disconnected and disadvantaged youth with job skills for a high-growth industry.


Create New Forum of Largest Greenhouse Gas Emitters: Obama will create a Global Energy Forum — that includes all G-8 members plus Brazil, China, India, Mexico and South Africa –the largest energy consuming nations from both the developed and developing world. The forum would focus exclusively on global energy and environmental issues.

Re-Engage with the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change: The UNFCCC process is the main international forum dedicated to addressing the climate problem and an Obama administration will work constructively within it.

Reduce Carbon Emissions 80% by 2050

Confront Deforestation and Promote Carbon Sequestration: Obama will develop domestic incentives that reward forest owners, farmers, and ranchers when they plant trees, restore grasslands, or undertake farming practices that capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

Convert our Manufacturing Centers into Clean Technology Leaders: Obama will establish a federal investment program to help manufacturing centers modernize and Americans learn the new skills they need to produce green products.

Establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard: Barack Obama will establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard to speed the introduction of low-carbon non-petroleum fuels. The standard requires fuels suppliers to reduce the carbon their fuel emits by 10% by 2020.

Set America on Path to Oil Independence
Obama's plan will reduce oil consumption by at least 35%, or 10 million barrels per day, by 2030. This will more than offset the equivalent of the oil we would import from OPEC nations in 2030.

Improve Energy Efficiency 50% by 2030

Set National Building Efficiency Goals: Barack Obama will establish a goal of making all new buildings carbon neutral, or produce zero emissions, by 2030. He'll also establish a national goal of improving new building efficiency by 50% and existing building efficiency by 25% over the next decade to help us meet the 2030 goal.

Establish a Grant Program for Early Adopters: Obama will create a competitive grant program to award those states and localities that take the first steps to implement new building codes that prioritize energy efficiency.

[zulchzulu]

17. Try this...

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/zulchzulu/116

It lays out the issues.

[pacalo]

46. Thanks, zulchzulu. That is exactly what the OP was looking for.

The replys here have been just nasty. I recognized the sincerity of the OP because I can relate. Those of us who saw in our candidates what Obama supporters see in him have been just as focused on our candidates as Obama supporters have been on him, so the magetism doesn't come naturally. It's going to have to be earned from those who are heartbroken.

[izzybeans]

19. Reminds me of my republican family members who refuse to find out information

on candidates.

[Kokonoe]

20. Do you think our controllers really want a black first lady?

Do the right thing and take our country back. Obama will bring credibility to the table. The only reason we have a chance to vote Obama is that the money gates believe you won't do it.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

21. I, too, was frustrated that I had to provide personal information merely to peruse his website.

Why can't I read his website without telling them who I am?

[Dawgs]

23. That has never been true. You don't have provide any info to view anything on his site.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

24. I just tried again, and there's a video of him and the only button is "join us" next to the video.

I hit that it won't let me go further without filling in the form. :shrug:

[jefferson_dem]

28. Go here -

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

[Connie_Corleone]

30. There's a button at the bottom that says skip signup go to website.

[LiberalFighter]

35. That is the one thing I totally hate about websites

When websites have a "intro" before their main page. I don't want to waste my time with crap. If I want to sign up for something I will do it after I learn more NOT before. That is ass backwards. That is like a used car dealer having you sign the contract without reading it first.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

42. For some reason that doesn't show up for me, One sign says "paid for by Obama for America"

another says "Obama 08" and a third says something about "hope and change". (none with links)e

jefferson_dem provided a direct link, for which I'm grateful. Maybe those of us who don't fill out the form can access the site via those did.

[City Lights]

31. Look below "learn more" - button that says "skip sign up."

It's a faded blue button.

[polichick]

37. It's happened to me too...

Sometimes you get a screen with a skip sign-up button and sometimes you get one without the button ~ yeah, and a video.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

44. I'm not lying if that's your implication. The only "button" is "join now".

It seems I'm not the only one who has encountered this, but you just go ahead and accuse me of lying, that's the ticket.

[Pacifist Patriot]

51. Unfortunately, it's not all that intuitive. I found I could click on a quote...

at the top of the screen to get in, but the design of the website does seem to be intent on getting people to enter info even if you don't have to. I find that a little off-putting, but that's just my opinion.

[Perky]

39. You absolutley can...You do not have to sign up.

You can bypass the email request.

[Apollo11]

26. You don't have to sign up to read Obama's site

www.BarackObama.com

[Apollo11]

29. You could always try wikipedia

You can also find lots of useful information on wikipedia.

Especially here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama

Sometimes you will find wrong info on wikipedia, but most of it is accurate.

[polichick]

32. "the insistence on signing up for the Campaign or at very least the Mailing List was offensive. "

True ~ that sucks imo. And many older voters who are wary of the internet won't sign up to get the information. It's a mistake the campaign needs to correct if they want to broaden their base of support.

(The skip sign-up button doesn't always appear when there's a video ~ and older voters don't even know to look there anyway. imo they should get rid of that first screen, and go right to the important information.)

[sniffa]

34. I'm glad you started this thread

Maybe you'll stop saying this in god knows how many threads now. :eyes:

[Zueda]

36. Call the campaign...

Like this person did:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/30/191936/272/918/446564

[Rose Siding]

43. Excellent suggestion....

"the Obama people talked with me for over twenty minutes"

[HughMoran]

40. Good luck

I just read a dozen of the snark-filled responses and had to hide this. That'll teach you to ask for help here.

[Abacus]

41. Just go to the issues section

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

or look here http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm

then compare to Hillary's
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

45. I appreciate the direct links from those who have provided the information! Thanks!

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

47. FWIW, here's the link I've been trying.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/semr?source=SEM-register-google-obama-search-national

on edit, topped the Google search for Sen Obama. "Official Campaign Website" takes you there.

[Pacifist Patriot]

48. You can do what I did.

I muted my speaker volume and clicked on the quote at the top of his website to bypass the request for personal information. It's not really that intuitive, but it can be done.

Personally, I don't think you deserve the thumping you're getting because I completely sympathize with your position. I don't think some people have much patience for our frustration.

I also thoroughly detest the "do it yourself" response. I thought these discussion boards were precisely for asking questions and getting responses. I too sometimes prefer help in digesting information and there are times it just seems overwhelming to cull for oneself. I think it is incredibly rude to brush off someone's request for help (even if stated as boldly as you have) by calling them lazy or sending them off on their own hunt. Wasn't that the point in the first place?

Besides, it often helps to have someone else's perspective on the candidate's positions as well as the position itself. I like to know WHY that particular position is seen as a positive to the overall acceptance of the candidate.

Cheers mate.

[Bread and Circus]

50. Do your own homework. It's your responsibility to research the candidates.

[yodermon]

53. Sounds like you clicked his google ad.

You should be glad, bcz when you click his ads you cost him money, ha ha.

Try this instead:
1) Go to www.barackobama.com
2) if you get the screen prompting you for your email address/zip code, just click the "skip signup, go to the website" link.
3) hover over the "issues" menu item
4) pick one you like.
5) read.

Or, just go to http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

If you clicked the google ad that pops up when you google "barack obama", you're getting sent to a different page where he starts yapping at you un-invited. Just click the "obama '08" logo and it'll go to his home page and shut him up.

[ProSense]

54. Here:

Barack Obama: immigration reform and Latino Voters

Barack Obama and Foreign Policy (non Iraq)

Barack Obama and technology

Barack Obama and Health Care

Obama on HIV/AIDS

Obama Announces Rural Poverty Summit (Updated)

Obama urges alumni to help fight poverty

2004 Report on Illinois Poverty (PDF)

Barack Obama and the 50 State Strategy


None of the links are to Obama's site!

[LoZoccolo]

55. Fuck off then.

Seriously, you asked for it. Fuck off. The rest of us can fix this country without you. Go on now.

Otherwise, tell me to just fuck off, and I will. Count on it. This is NOT a "Hit Job" on Obama; Clinton's stuff does not fill the bill either, but I don't even KNOW what Obama wants or will do except for 2nd/3rd hand supporters' spiels or sound bites from his stump speech.