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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:50 AM
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Don't let me hear it...
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 01:59 AM by Triana
...when the next healthcare policy or amendments to existing provisions are written by (and FOR the benefit of) insurance companies, or when your health insurance is taken away, cancelled, benefits reduced, copays increased, or coverage refused
...when you get laid off from your job and NAFTA STILL hasn't been done away with or changed
...when we go into yet another war with Iran and your kid or niece or nephew or cousin or grandkid gets drafted to go
...when three years or more from now we're still mired in Iraq with Iraqis and Americans still dying in droves
...when our next energy policy or addendums to the current one are written by oil and gas companies while the planet sizzles
...when veterans still can't get healthcare or mental illness assistance and/or are still sleeping (and dying) under bridges and in alleys
...when the public school your kid goes to is crumbling around his/her ears and you can't afford to send the child to a private one (and the No Child's Behind Left program wants to punish the school for not doing a good enough job)
...when you can't send your child to college because it took every dime you made just to pay the bills, and the price of food, medical costs, fuel and gas keeps skyrocketing with no end in sight
...when climate change gets so bad the city you live in (if you're near a coast) ends up under water (and ExxonMobil wrote our energy policy again)
...when climate change gets so bad you have no water to drink, cook with or bathe in due to drought (and BP Oil wrote our energy policy again)
...when you still see Kaiser Permenente dumping people in the alleys in LA because they have no money or insurance
...when New Orleans and the rest of the Gulf Coast still looks like Katrina hit it yesterday three years from now
...when poverty remains at or near the same levels as it is now and no one even mentions it anymore
...when you, me, and everyone else on DU and off of it STILL has NO VOICE in the US government three or more years from now and our concerns and needs STILL fall on deaf ears up there while the K-street lobbyists wheel and deal in the backrooms with our "representatives"
...when Blackwater mercenaries are still doing their "thing" over in Iraq (or in Iran).
...when more American women are raped by Halliburton/Blackwater employees in Iraq and still no one does anything because there are no laws governing them over there -- and we're STILL over there.
...when torture and rendition of "enemy combatants" is still going on but has become more covert so as to be less noticeable.
...when you have no idea where the food you buy came from, if its GMO, cloned, from 'downer' cows, irradiated or contaminated in some other way because the FDA doesn't have the budget or staff to monitor, regulate, or inspect it.
...when yet another local company or business in your town goes under and you're stuck shopping at Wal-Mart
...when DLC-"Democrats" keep rolling over and bending over to the Republicans a la Pelosi and Reid after 2009 - in the spirit of "unity" of course.
...when the lamestream media is STILL owned and run by 5-7 megaconglomerate corporations who DECIDE FOR US what candidates we have to choose from next election. (thank you Inspired for the reminder about this one!)

I could go on....

If you didn't support John Edwards - DO NOT come whining to me when any one or all of these things come to pass.

Just - DON'T. K?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:52 AM
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1. I know.....
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 01:52 AM by FrenchieCat


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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:53 AM
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2. Or when we lose another election because the MSM isn't doing their job.
Bravo Triana.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:57 AM
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4. They're doing their job...
...keeping progressives out of the public eye and batting the flies off for their corporate taskmasters.

You're right. To that list we need to add:

...when the lamestream media is STILL owned and run by 5-7 megaconglomerate corporations who DECIDE FOR US what candidates we have to choose from next election.

Thank you.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:09 AM
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6. You said it right!
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:17 AM
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7. They sure are. I shake with absolute anger when I think about it.
But if we can be honest with ourselves we know it is true. I feel this election was stolen from us by MSM too. This time we did not even get a chance to go to the ballot box before the crime took place.

I am sick with anger and sadness.

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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:54 AM
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14. We don't even get to choose our own candidates much less...
...our own President. It's all done FOR us. (well, for THEM).

It's a mighty thin ruse that we have much say in the matter. We really don't.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:55 AM
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3. A gentle reminder on the Iraq stuff...
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=sj107-46

S. J. Res. 46 <107th>: Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq



S.J.RES.46 was sponsored by Joe Lieberman (D), with 16 cosponsors: Sen Allard, Wayne - 10/2/2002 Sen Baucus, Max - 10/7/2002 Sen Bayh, Evan - 10/2/2002 Sen Breaux, John B. - 10/9/2002 Sen Bunning, Jim - 10/4/2002 Sen Domenici, Pete V. - 10/2/2002 Sen Edwards, John - 10/3/2002 Sen Helms, Jesse - 10/2/2002 Sen Hutchinson, Tim - 10/2/2002 Sen Johnson, Tim - 10/7/2002 Sen Landrieu, Mary L. - 10/2/2002 Sen McCain, John - 10/2/2002 Sen McConnell, Mitch - 10/2/2002 Sen Miller, Zell - 10/2/2002 Sen Thurmond, Strom - 10/10/2002 Sen Warner, John - 10/2/2002
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:06 AM
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5. A sobering list Triana.
We have fallen so far, and we aren't at the bottom yet. Damn.

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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:39 AM
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10. I like the graphic in your sig...
...there's a LOT of truth to that.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:21 AM
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8. Powerful.
To quote a friend, Late night hard knuckled turth telling. Let's feed that new found power. Let's plant an idea and see what grows.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:38 AM
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9. I'm trying to figure out what to do rocky...
..I feel like I need to do something, but not sure what.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:41 AM
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11. You got that right!
Countless fools still don't see that J.E. was the last one standing who spoke openly and forcefully about the corporate stranglehold on our way of life, and talked openly and forcefully about getting to work to wrench our way of life out of the jaws of the corpautocracy.

Now watch as not one thing we little folk need ever really gets done. Things will just get shuffled around to make it look like progress until it gets so bad that we are standing in lines to get a bit of bread and water doled out by the corporate goon-squad.

If anyone thinks I'm crazy and paranoid all I can say is "Wake up! and welcome to Amerika...this is what you have inherited from your ignorance and idol worship!"
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:47 AM
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12. This is how I feel tonight. Maybe I'll see some light tomorrow? But how will it all look?
They have stolen all from us.

For the last time in a generation?

And now they reign supreme.

Long live Democracy! in some far off and future time, in some distant land, here no longer even a whisper, it sighs away into the night amidst the choking fumes and chattering clowns and idol worshipping fools.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:52 AM
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13. down the corporate sewer....
...we go.

There'll be some improvements with anyDem - but on the biggest issues - substantial change is a long way away - further now that Edwards is out.

*sigh*
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:40 AM
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15. I did, but I won't,
but neither will I act surprised. I had the surprise knocked out of me as Edwards left the race.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:01 AM
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16. I think Edwards supporters have a little more justification to complain
They wanted the fundamental change that is necessary to get us out of this corporate-controlled sewer.

MAYBE I'LL BE WRONG and Clinton or Obama will actually do some things that make sense and they'll bitchslap the corprats out of it and change the locks on the doors (but I sorta doubt it).

I hope I'm wrong. For all our sakes and for the sake of this country.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:42 PM
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27. Honestly, this was the final straw for me
I used to make the comment frequently, "Is it fascism yet?" I have my answer and frankly, I had it before the primary "race" ever started. I forgot for a moment after the Iowa caucus, but I remember now. The last two standing are, as far as I can tell, status quo, with their only uniqueness being their gender and race. Though, I think Obama will mature into something more, I don't think he currently is anything but the status quo, hence the reason he has been allowed to stay long enough to play out the charade.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:06 AM
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17. K&R
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:28 AM
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18. Triana!!!
Excellent rant.

:woohoo:

K&R
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:52 AM
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19. Are you kidding me? The man DROPPED OUT. His record sucked. Get off your high horse.
I'm sorry, but all this holier-than-thou-ism from Edwards supporters is just pissing me off.

I heard what John was saying -- all the right things.

Then I looked at his record.

They were in total conflict. He had his chance to stand up WHEN IT COUNTED in Congress for the people struggling the hardest in America. Why the FUCK didn't he?

How does someone who claims that poverty is the "cause of my life" vote for a bill that denies bankruptcy protection to those people who need it? I've never heard him offer a credible story of how that happened. I've only heard him say, "It was a mistake." That just doesn't sit well with me. Same with his vote for permanent normal trade relations with China. The day of the Iowa caucus, he ran an ad with a supporter offering a testimonial for him. The supporter was a middle-aged Dad who worked at the Maytag plant until they shut it down. He tearfully told the camera how John Edwards had gotten down on one knee and said to his 8 year old boy, "I'm gonna fight for your Daddy's job."

I wondered when I saw that ad if that Maytag worker knew that Edwards was one of the people who was, in part, responsible for factories being forced to shut down in America due to competition from cheap foreign labor in countries without labor rights.

Edwards has said this vote, too, was a mistake. But for someone who holds himself out as having blue collar values, a vote for PNT with China *shouldn't even have been an issue*. It's just so at odds with the image he has portrayed that I can't wrap my mind around it. Edwards has never framed himself as having any sort of "conversion" experience -- he basically argues that these are the values he's had his whole life. So what's the story -- how does he get from voting to deny desperate poor folks the protection of bankruptcy and factory workers the protection for their jobs to the guy he was on the stump this year, all while being basically the same guy?

The simplest answer is, of course, that he was just pandering to get my vote.

I don't want to believe that, but I can't pretend his record doesn't exist, and he never offered me a believable narrative for his changes.

I made a judgment. I believed that Edwards was a good man, because I was so impressed with Elizabeth Edwards, and I don't think you can fake a relationship like that. But based on his record, I just couldn't trust Edwards to actually follow through on his promises..

Still, I debated with myself about it, over and over again. I could still caucus for Edwards. Kucinich was out. Maybe I was being too hard on John.

AND THEN HE FREAKING DROPPED OUT.

I'm sorry, but when it's the "cause of my life", something that goes down "to the very core of my being", when you are making promises as recently as January 25th to be "in it for the long haul" ( http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18418858 ), you don't DROP FUCKING OUT WITH NO WARNING. Not if you want to retain your integrity.

I respect why many Edwards supporters did support him. He said so many things I agreed with.

But I made my judgment on his record, and his actions now have proven me right.

Vote for Edwards if you want to make a statement. I understand that. But don't you dare castigate me for doing my due diligence and not supporting someone who couldn't even keep a week-old promise.

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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:21 PM
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20. You have a right to your opinion...
...I have a right to disagree.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:27 PM
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21. Great way of explaining what a lot of us felt. nt
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:28 PM
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22. His record matched Ted Kennedy's.
Is Ted Kennedy pandering when he does campagin work for the "change" candidate?
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:20 PM
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25. Kennedy didn't vote for the IWR.
And, all due respect, Ted isn't running for president.

I wrote about why I ultimately couldn't support John Edwards. I think my reasoning is pretty clear and lucid. It doesn't have to be your reasoning, and I respect people who chose John. What I don't respect are those who want to belittle others for NOT choosing John. Edwards had plenty of good reasons for people of goodwill to be wary of him as a candidate, and I've never heard compelling answers to the questions I raised.

Normally, I wouldn't post something like this, but the parent post essentially blaming all the ills of the world on people who didn't support Edwards just got to me, as well as his recent actions.

I really was close to caucusing for John, and his dropping out after so blatantly promising not to made me feel like a dumbass for even considering it. Kucinich dropped out, too, but he's facing re-election pressures at home, and was being shut out of the debates -- John wasn't. He said he was "in it for the long haul". I think retroactively parsing that promise as meaning "in the struggle for economic justice" as some want to do is just lying to yourself to avoid pain, and deceiving others.

It surprises me, really, that the people for whom Edwards was their first (or only) choice aren't more livid about this betrayal. I thought maybe it might be something with Elizabeth's health, which I obviously would've accepted without any criticism, but Edwards has said it was just about party politics, that he thought a 3 person race would be too divisive. Really? Then why was he telling people he was in it "for the long haul"? Why all the extraordinary rhetoric?

I don't think anyone knows the REAL story. And that's the feeling I've been struggling with regarding Edwards all through the 2007 primaries -- that I never felt like there was a real story where all the facts added up and made sense to me.

If it makes sense to you, then great. We all have a vote.

I just don't think Edwards supporters should pretend their candidate's shit doesn't stink, and everyone else's does. That's all.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:27 PM
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26. His record matched Ted's on trade & other economic stuff... sorry
I should have been more specific. You're right of course about the IWR.

As for shit not stinking, Edwards supporters can't possibly think that... as he's the one who actually says "I was wrong". :shrug:

As for the "betrayal"... anyone who gets their undershorts wadded over politicians saying one thing and doing another is a newbie who's in for a rude awakening eventually.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:30 PM
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23. THIS time, we WILL say, and say LOUDLY, "WE TOLD YOU SO!"
Not that it will matter... the party partisans are just as accomplished at name-calling and ugly judgementalism as the right wing.

The party is dying and they can't even see it.

So be it.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:30 PM
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24. Who's doing the bitter whinging? Oh, that's right, another sactimonious
bitter Edwards supporter hoping for the worst so he/she can say I told you so.

Utterly fucking pathetic, and don't worry, unlike YOU I don't whinge all over DU. Get over yourself.
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