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michaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:33 PM
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I am leaning toward Obama now that Edwards is not running.
Leaning, not all the way there yet. Really disappointed that Edwards is out, I had so hoped he could pull this off. He is by far the one for me.
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ooga booga Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:35 PM
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1. You read my mind......word for word...
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 09:38 PM by ooga booga
OK....maybe I'm a bit further along that route. I'm clear that I prefer Barak Obama over Hillary Clinton, but, as I have said, I am ROCK SOLID on the commitment to back the Democrat in the General Election. Obama or Clinton.

That is all. Over and out.
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:06 PM
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12. I would have liked to see him stay in thru super tues. I think he
appeals to alot of middle class America. He wasn't my favorite, but I certainly would have chosen him over BO. The more I see of BO the less I like him.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:38 PM
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2. Well - Murdoch's NY Post endorsed him so he would bring us all together
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/postopinion.htm


POST ENDORSES BARACK OBAMA


January 30, 2008 -- Democrats in 22 states across America go to the polls next Tuesday to pick between two presidential prospects: Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

We urge them to choose Obama - an untried candidate, to be sure, but preferable to the junior senator from New York.<snip>

For all his charisma and his eloquence, the rookie senator sorely lacks seasoning: Regarding national security, his worldview is beyond naive; America must defend itself against those sworn to destroy the nation.

His all-things-to-all-people approach to complicated domestic issues also arouses scant confidence. "Change!" for the sake of change does not a credible campaign platform make. But he remains a highly intelligent man, with a strong record as a conciliator.<snip>

Finally, Sen. Clinton stands philosophically far to the left of her husband, and is much more disciplined in pursuit of her agenda.<snip>

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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:41 PM
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4. his worldview is beyond naive; America must defend itself against those sworn to destroy the nation.
He continually emphasizes that we must strike at Al-Qaeda, and anyone else who strikes at the U.S. He hasn't said otherwise. This article is very misleading.

He did rightfully denounce the Iraq war, as Iraq wasn't who attacked us.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:46 PM
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11. no reason to be suspicious of this given that he has contributed heavily to Clinton
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:06 PM
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13. Heavily contributed? - $2 thousand for a Billionaire is heavy?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:11 PM
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14. he gave the maximum that was legal
he had his relatives give the maximum and he held fund raisers for her that we are unable to calculate the total amount.

He has given nothing to any other democratic candidate. Now exactly what is your point?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:32 PM
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16. You can buy a Senator for how much? Janice Murdoch is not related to Fox's Murdoch
But you are correct that there is more than one donating Murdoch that is part of Ruperts family

namely son MURDOCH, JAMES R LONDON ENGLAND,ZZ BSK7B/CHIEF EXECUTIVE 6/30/2007 $2,300


Dean Janice Murdoch CLEMSON UNIVERSITY/DEAN and her two $1000 contributions should not "count".

Murdoch does have a few more relatives that seem to have stiffed Hillary out of her expected contributions.

Since Murdoch is not a "bundler" it would seem the 8 am breakfast at News Corp resulted in, if it had any result, individual checks from those folks that wanted to donate. Since Rupert put no pressure on his relatives apparently, it would be reasonable to assume that there was no pressure to contribute at that breakfast.


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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:58 PM
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17. well you have more accurate information than I have
and you can't buy a senator only rent them.

Here's my problem. I believe that Rupert Murdoch has done more harm to American prestige than anyone in journalism since yellow journalism was at its peak. Fox heavy cheerleading got us into war and led the attack on Kerry. Why in the world would you accept a dime or volunteer to be in the same room.

I may not be rational on the issue but this one act more than any other, except her refussal to disassociate her Iraq authorizaiton vote, motivates me to anyone but Hillary.

Also please remember this thread started as a bash against Obama because he got the endorsement of the Post which I think many people will see as a devious Rove type action to undercut him. In any case Clinton has received alot more than Obama's none unless you have information on that?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:50 PM
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18. You are correct - no Murdoch money through 12/31/07 - Obama has recieved only the endorsement
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:59 PM
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19. damning with feint praise or should I say undermining with fake praise
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:14 PM
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15. Can you imagine all the hate posts that would be on here if
he had endorsed Hillary? I must say it was not a flattering endorsement. Hillary is too far Left? Some on here try to call her a repb. Go figure.
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:40 PM
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3. Yuck, a "no donor" thread...n/t
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michaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:44 PM
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8. Excuse me?n/t
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:42 PM
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5. sorry to hear that.....
we all have our faults.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:43 PM
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6. I've been back and forth on them both.
To be cliche about it, he is now the best hope for any sort of positive change in government.
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SCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:44 PM
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7. Grassroots is where it is at
I am an Obama supporter and I will just say that I was first attracted to the Obama campaign and grassroots networking before I liked the candidate. The fact that they are putting their time and effort into massive grassroots mobilization hooked me from the start. Rather than relying on big dollars they are taking it to the people and asking people to take it to the people.

Sorry about Edwards. If I could have voted twice in SC - I would have voted for Edwards the second time.
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:45 PM
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9. Good on you. Edwards is a great guy and I would love to see him as VP
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samdogmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:45 PM
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10. Sen. Edwards is a good man. There will be a role for him, I truly believe this!
I'm grateful that he started discussions on topics that were never addressed by any other candidate. He definitely highlighted how big business runs America and he was a wonderful champion for the least fortunate among us. I do think people are much more aware of these issues because of him!

I am saddened that he is no longer a candidate, he was my first choice--but he's young! Who knows what the future holds?

In the meantime, I think he'd make an excellent Attorney General--and when an opening comes up on the Supreme Court--I do hope he's considered!

I find Sen. Obama very inspiring--he's a gifted orator with great vision. I think he has the capacity to be a great leader. And, I truly think he's better able to heal our country because he's not a divisive, polarizing figure.
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