From Edwards to Clinton, but Obama will win

[question everything]

This Edwards supporter is going to vote for Clinton in next week's caucus.

And it is sad.

Edwards was in town yesterday, we braved the wind chill of -30 (or so) and I shook his hand. And he said that he was going to stay. And, according to reports on MSNBC, I think, the St. Paul rally wa one of his best.

But.. there were whispers that he canceled a trip to next door North Dakota and was going to New Orleans to probably end his campaign.

But Obama will win. Most voters do not ask "where is the beef." Rather, they are taken by good communication, charisma and easy charm. This is how Reagan and Bush and, yes, even Clinton won.
Bill Clinton is a rare individual who combined intelligence and charm. Against frat boy charm Bush we had Gore and Kerry who were so cerebral and used multi syllables that they lost most voters.

So charismatic Obama will win. No one is questioning is plans, no one is questioning him, period. I just talked to a friend in Chicago who said that if any other candidate had a supporter being sent to jail, the media would be all over him. But not Obama.

And, of course, we are so proud to vote for a black man, but not too black. He is bi racial and his father, after all, was a visitor from Kenya. He does not have the baggage of descending from slaves, or even the personal experience of family and friends who marched for civil rights in the 60s, yes, those "excessive 60s."

I think that he will be the next president and he will be a weak one. All one can hope that, like Bush, he will have knowledgeable advisers who will steer him right.. if he will be willing to accept their advise and recognize his lack of experience.

[Mz Pip]

1. There have never been

any Clinton supporters sent to jail?!? :rofl:

Mz Pip
:dem:

[dmallind]

11. Yes - but the point is the news was all over them for it

..and connected disreputable supporters to the Clintons as if the phrase "guilt by association" was a good thing. The OP makes a valid point - Obama is the teflon candidate par excellence. One can only hope that this will continue should he get the nomination. I like the guy plenty but that nagging concern remains. We KNOW what happens when Hillary gets smeared. The wingnuts buy into it but she soldiers on, stays on message, even picks up some sympathy. We don't know what happens when Obama is smear target number one, non stop, for months, especially if the media stops the kid gloves act with him.

On the plus side, the initial "image" of any candidate is hard to shake once established regardless of the facts, and I suspect by now enough people have absorbed Obama as "charismatic optimist nice guy" and will be hard to shift from that.

[question everything]

15. Oh yes, and the media did not stop talking about it

but that Rezko guy - zip, nada.

[jlake]

32. None that went unquestioned in the media.

[GodlessBiker]

2. Not one word on why Clinton. All about why not Obama. That's telling.

[question everything]

20. Clinton was not my first choice. Edwards and Biden were

and then I started watching the debate and was impressed with her knowledge, her intelligence, her approach to any policy issue. She would respond to questions directly and concisely with detailed of 1. 2, and 3, while the men - yes, Edwards, Obama and Richardson - would evade, and hint, and would just shoot the breeze.

And I posted about it after the ABC pre-NH debate, that, as we have seen at work, men can get away with it. She has to work harder to get any attention at all.

Certainly she is better equipped to deal with any foreign policy incident - does not have to be a terrorist attack, only some instability in Pakistan, or N. Korea, or Liberia, or Kosova - with full knowledge of the background of these countries while Obama will stammer, "calling for all sides to use restraint."

[GodlessBiker]

26. That should have been your main post.

[THUNDER HANDS]

3. are you implying Obama isn't smart?

I'd say he's as smart as Clinton - and he has much better impulse control.

[rodeodance]

16. Sen. Clinton--impulse control? what are you getting at? I ask before I jump.

[THUNDER HANDS]

18. bill, i mean bill clinton

[rodeodance]

17. i wouls say IP is talking of Obamas less expericence.

[Skwmom]

21. So he didn't vote for a stupid war, he didn't push NAFTA which sucked

jobs out of this country. I'll take that kind of "lack" of experience any day of the week.

[question everything]

25. He did not have to live by the consequnce of his vote

It was the US Senate, not the Illinois one that approved the IWR.

And once he joined the US Senate, he voted with Clinton on all Iraq related votes.

About NAFTA, Gore championed it and yet Gore is idolized here.

[question everything]

23. He is smart, but no one knows what are his plans

in details. It is the classic "where is the beef." You cannot pin point him to, for example, explain his health care plan, or his social security and forget about any understanding of foreign policy. And if Zbigniew Brzezinski is his adviser, welcome to the failed Carter era again.

[Abacus]

30. This is factually incorrect

Health Care Plan
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
plus a .pdf with 15 pages of "beef"

Social Security
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/socialsecurity/

Foreign Policy
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/


Here are the Issues pages for Edwards, Clinton, and Obama:

http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

[rox63]

4. If any other candidate had a supporter being sent to jail?

Like Norman Hsu maybe?

And you're bringing up the "Obama is not black enough" crap? That's low...

[Double T]

5. We sure as hell don't need ANOTHER weak leader.

I hope YOU are wrong.

[goldcanyonaz]

7. Me too. I hope VERY wrong.

[Skwmom]

22. Standing up against a stupid "popular" war is not weak. Weak is

refusing to look at the intelligence reports, instead opting to look at the polls.

[Double T]

24. WEAK is voting 'present' more than 130 times.

[papau]

31. What is Obama supporting the Rumsfeld nomination in 2001?

[goldcanyonaz]

6. Clinton is going to lose Minnesota? Don't be so sure about that.

[question everything]

27. I hope not

I hope that she is the nominee, but I am afraid that I will be wrong, again.

[Big Blue Marble]

8. I agree with you.

Barack Obama will be the next president and he will be a strong president.

He will be a strong leader at home and in the world. Just watch.

[Mike03]

9. I question your fundamental premise that

Edwards voters will gravitate towards Clinton.

Maybe you are right. Why do you think so?

[question everything]

28. That's not my premise

I will move to Clinton. I am sure that many Edwards supporters will vote for Obama, even though it is clear that were it not for Obama, Edwards would have come first in Iowa and would have had a strong showing in SC.

[Egnever]

10. First Hillary does have a supporter heading to jail

Second I hope you are right and he proves you wrong about him. Somehow I doubt anyone who can capture the imagination of the youth the way he has will ever be a weak president. His forte is the bully pulpit He will do amazing things when given a chance to really use it.

[question everything]

29. Of course she does. And the media cannot get enough of this

but Obama's you barely hear about it, much less discuss it in the MSM.

[loveangelc]

12. this is stupid

[rodeodance]

13. welcome aboard

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. No he won't win. They're building him up, to knock him down. He's going to have a Dean scream moment

at the most inopportune time. Hillary will win.

There's a reason the MSM hasn't touch him. They did the same thing to Dr. Dean. The media gave Dean all the air time over all the other candidates and when he made his little "scream" in Iowa....they couldn't play it enough. It was their moment to take him down and they did. Barack will have his Dean moment.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

19. welcome. also i doubt obama will win.