For those who think the media wasn't a factor in Dean's downfall

[Mass_Liberal]

These are the mediawhores we are talking about. The media that refused to question Bush during IWR, that are so blatantly conservative. And even they said they played the scream far too much. Hundreds of times a day they played it.

Hundreds. Now imagine if any of the other candidates merely tripped up in a debate. Said something dumb by accident. Imagine that moment being played 200 times in one day. The effect on anyone would be disastrous.

[Freddie Stubbs]

1. Dean dropped in the polls BEFORE the scream

His 'scream' speech was after the Iowa Caucuses, in which he came in third. He was already trailing Kerry in NH by that point.

[Mass_Liberal]

3. that's true

his performance in Iowa was pretty bad. But post Iowa collapse wasn't due entirely to the Iowa bounce that Kerry got.

[Zynx]

10. That's not true. He wasn't trailing Kerry in NH at that point.

He only trailed after Iowa. Show me one poll that was different from what I describe.

[arewethereyet]

18. don't need to

forget the scream. It was the utter collapse marked by his flop in Iowa that killed him with ot without the scream

[Mass_Liberal]

2. kick

[KissMyAsscroft]

4. The media used dereogatory language in describing him the entire time..

I heard his campaign referred to as a cult more times than I could count, and I heard his positions completely twisted by the mediawhores.

They built him up and tore him down.

[sadiesworld]

5. I'm tellin' ya...

it was all about Clark. The media was perfectly content with Dean and had buried Kerry until Clark entered the race. They suddenly needed someone who could compete with Clark on the foreign policy front. So they started dissing Dean and showing endless clips of Kerry with his vet buddies and talking about how he had warmed up, etc. At the same time, they alternated b/t Goreing Clark and completely ignoring him. I'll try to quit boring people with this...maybe not.

[LeftCoast]

6. Of course it was...but

and it's a big BUT, it's not just Dean, it's any Democratic candidate who gets "Gored". It sucks, it's unfair, but it's a fact. Kerry's already experiencing (intern-gate, anyone?). Our nominee must be able to counteract the biased media. If they can't we're toast. These guys will play dirty all the way down to Nov. It's up to each of us to act as a quick response team. If you hear or see blatant partisan crap coming out of the mouths of supposed "unbiased" media heads send them an email or call them. Not only that...spread the word and point out the hypocrisy to people who might not be aware. Gnashing your teeth and howling about it isn't going to solve the problem.

I'm sorry Dean's not going to be the nominee, but at this point it's spilled milk. Eyes on the prize, folks...

[DaisyUCSB]

7. The media was a bigger factor in Dean's rise to frontrunner status

He got more of a free ride than many other candidates.

There were supporters of his calling him the Teflon man.

They played the Iowa speech because it was bizarre and to others funny. Immediately here when it was first broadcast(when he didn't let Edwards even get close to finishing his inspiring speech, you had DUers, including Dean supporters calling it disturbing

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[Feanorcurufinwe]

9. The fact is, it is a hostile media environment for Democrats.

You only have to look at the coverage Kerry was getting last summer to see that the media will go after any of us.

I am big on posting news articles and I can tell you it took a lot of googling and 'editing for copyright rules' to post news articles back then that didn't have the message: 'Why is he such a loser?' Of course that was the right time in the election cycle to be losing - when there were no elections.

But the good news is that there's a reason we call them whores - because that's what it's about. So if anti-GOP, pro-Dem coverage (or what I would call, the truth), also gets good ratings, sell books, etc. then that will be produced as well. It's just a product - whatever sells will be produced.

[WilliamPitt]

11. The media played a big role

The showed all his mistakes live and in color, including the scream. They showed all the primaries he didn't win live and in color.

OK, I'm being an ass. :)

In truth, the 'scream' thing was one of the most brazen take-downs of a national figure I've ever seen. They set him up, misrepresented the context, and torpedoed him. They ended his campaign in a day. One day, and it was over. The rest was just a slow bleeding from a mortal wound. Dean folk have good reason to be cheesed off about that...and Kerry folk should look at that whole incident as a warning. Wham and splatter, baby. They don't even kiss you before they fuck you into the ground.

[Duder]

12. Yup...

NBC hit job w/Lisa Meyer "Iowa caucus special interests from Canadian TV"

Club for Growth Ad - Latte -sipping, etc

Osama Ad

Constant media assassins on the prowl making the Saddam gone - no safer statement look like a "gaffe"

ABC admits they doctored the scream which was played about 700 times:
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_2004vote_012904dean.html

Deans rough Ride, the reporters gloating and giggling about getting Howard Dean:
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040308&s=greider

Trippi did not say what Reuters said he said:
http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2004/02/14/reuters_wrong.html#more

Pssst ... The Press is a player:
http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2004/01/23/press_player.html

The Awesome destructive power of the American media:
http://www.blackcommentator.com/75/75_cover_dean_media.html

Mass media and politics:
http://progressiveliving.org/mass_media_and_politics.htm

How the Dems did in Howard Dean:
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/feb2004/nf20040225_4752_db009.htm

Do you want to make tea at the DLC?
http://www.fightingbob.com/weblog.cfm?postID=174

Pre emptive strike on Howard Dean:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1152741,00.html

The Kerry McAuliffe Connection:
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:rV-btD7JGBAJ:www.joehilldispatch.org/junkiewire/archives/000959.p

The Trial of John Kerry:
http://truthout.org/docs_03/121003A.shtml


There are but a few weeks to go before the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary. Time has grown short. In an effort to galvanize the message Kerry wants to deliver in the time remaining, he convened a powerful roster of journalists and columnists in the New York City apartment of Al Franken last Thursday. The gathering could not properly be called a meeting or a luncheon. It was a trial. The journalists served as prosecuting attorneys, jury and judge. The crowd I joined in Franken's living room was comprised of:
Al Franken and his wife Franni;
Rick Hertzberg, senior editor for the New Yorker;
David Remnick, editor for the New Yorker;
Jim Kelly, managing editor for Time Magazine;
Howard Fineman, chief political correspondent for Newsweek;
Jeff Greenfield, senior correspondent and analyst for CNN;
Frank Rich, columnist for the New York Times;
Eric Alterman, author and columnist for MSNBC and the Nation;
Art Spiegelman, Pulitzer Prize winning cartoonist/author of `Maus';
Richard Cohen, columnist for the Washington Post;
Fred Kaplan, columnist for Slate;
Jacob Weisberg, editor of Slate and author;
Jonathan Alter, senior editor and columnist for Newsweek;
Philip Gourevitch, columnist for the New Yorker;
Calvin Trillin, freelance writer and author;
Edward Jay Epstein, investigative reporter and author;
Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., who needs no introduction.

The Assasination of Howard Dean:
http://www.alternet.org/members/story.html?StoryID=17881

[WilliamPitt]

13. Question

What is my article doing in that mix? It says this:

"None of this solves the immediate problem for Kerry. The nomination of Howard Dean takes on more and more each day an aura of inevitability. Kerry is still trailing Dean in key primary states, and Al Gore isn’t going to take back his endorsement. In order to regain any momentum and take the nomination, he will have to convince Dean supporters, more than anyone else, to switch to his camp. Dean’s stand on the war is not the central reason for the support he has gained, but it was what drew the attention of so many would-be Kerry people. That attention, with time, became support. With all the time that has passed, and with Dean’s campaign picking up such momentum, engineering a wholesale switch seems highly unlikely."

The rest was about Kerry, who, by the way, pointedly refused to attack Dean at that meeting, and he was baited to do so several times.

Confuzzed.

[Duder]

14. Question:

What was the purpose of Kerry's meeting?

Some might see that as a turning point in media coverage which given the time-line isn't that unreasonable.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

15. In other words, the right candidate can turn bad media coverage around?

I hope you're right -- Kerry might have to do it again.

[Duder]

17. Massaging the media can be a factor

It's kind of like lobbying, which can be done for good or for nefarious purposes.

[Frederic Bastiat]

16. The same media that put him on the cover of Time & Newsweek

...on the same week, look back and see, Dean peaked in October 2003, when the voters started paying attention he didn't have a chance at the nomination.

[Melinda]

19. Same media that is now going to destroy Kerry - WAKE THE FUCK UP!

If you don't, you have only yourselves to blame. If anyone here thinks that the corporate owned media that gave us Bush* and his cabal aren't going to feast on Kerry the way they did on Gore and Clinton AND Dean, then I want some of what YOU smoke.

That's my two cents - spend it as you like.

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[Melinda]

21. *GaG* *CacK* Hairball!!!!!!!

What part of the Antartica do YOU live in KS? Oh, and welcome to DU.. :eyes: