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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:12 PM
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Obama? Clinton? as an Edwards supporter I have made up my mind!
I will be voting for Edwards.
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Ytzak Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:13 PM
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1. Edwards name will be on the California ballot.
I, too, will vote for Edwards come Tuesday.

But in the General Election, my vote goes to the Democratic nominee.
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:16 PM
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3. That is where I stand! n/t
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:21 PM
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5. Edwards is out of the race.. i will vote a party ticket, and ignore the bullshit, keep my sign in my
yard , sticker on my car. i have no faith in either one, so I'm making a bumper sticker that says.. "Don't Blame Me, I voted for Edwards"
this is going to be a nightmare..
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:24 PM
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12. I like that bumper sticker. n/t
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:47 PM
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26. I'd buy it. Design something and throw it out on cafepress and send me a link
Seriously!
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:57 PM
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28. Me, too. Seriously. n/t
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:14 PM
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2. That made me smile
:)

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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:18 PM
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4. why all these vanity threads?
By all means give an account of why vote for X or Y, but I am getting so bored of opening threads just to find an announcement that "I am voting for Z", without even an explanation.

Who the hell cares?
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:21 PM
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6. If you don't care, put the thread on ignore.
It is that simple.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:22 PM
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8. Don't bother with these trolls... they're everywhere anymore. nt
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:24 PM
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13. i'm not a troll, asshat. nt
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:47 PM
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31. I think so.
You've been here 2 whole weeks now and you're already lecturing us and calling names. Just Go.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:24 PM
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14. It's against DU rules to call someone a troll. n/t
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:27 PM
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20. So Edwqrds supporters are trolls now?
It's one more reason for me to not like the two $$$ candidates left.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:32 PM
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23. No, I'm an Edwards supporter....
I'm just getting really sick of all these arrogant, rude posters who have been here for all of a week or two.

I'm really on edge today....
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:22 PM
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7. I care!
I care about the causes John Edwards is standing for and I will be voting for him. I have to vote my conscious and that is the way it goes!
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:24 PM
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10. well, explain that in the OP. otherwise you might as well just write "yay edwards". nt
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:25 PM
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16. Did you read the subject line?
FFS ... who the fuck cares about your pointless whining about threads you clicked to read, that's what I'd like to know.
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:27 PM
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18. you, evidently.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:28 PM
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21. No, I just wanted to make sure you know how fucking stupid that is.
Nice graphic.

Now I know for sure that you're ignore-worthy. :)
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:30 PM
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22. gee, that's my life stripped of all purpose. nt
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:49 PM
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27. And another one for the ignore list.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:49 PM
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32. I vote for TS n/t
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:23 PM
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9. I already voted for Edwards and mailed in my ballot before
he quit so he has my vote too.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:24 PM
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11. Good for you! DELEGATES, baby!
:bounce:
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:25 PM
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15. You think he'll get a single delegate now?
I don't.

It's a symbolic vote. I value my vote too much to make a meaningless gesture with it.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:27 PM
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19. I value my vote, too... I don't see enough difference in the other two to get passionate enough
to do otherwise.

I'm glad you do. I'd like to have that passion back.
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:38 PM
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24. I do value my vote.
It may be symbolic, however the way I feel today, I must vote my conscious. John Edwards is the complete package. He has and is standing for the causes I believe in. I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee in the GE.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:26 PM
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17. Yes, we must think delegates now.
Even if he gets 15% only, it will count.
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Yavapai Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:46 PM
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25. A vote is a important thing to waste! PLEASE DON'T
There is still a choice between Obama and Clinton. At least Obama can beat McCain. I myself could never vote for Clinton for the following reasons.

Hillary Clinton voted for the USA Patriot Act in October 2001, and for it’s renewal in 2006.

She voted in favor of the October 2002 Iraq War Resolution and still supported the war until late 2005.

Also I believe she would just continue the Clinton dynasty and we all should remember what Bill gave us.

Such as:

NAFTA

The Communications Decency Act of 1996, that tried to censor the internet.

The Telecommunications Act of 1996 that eliminated major ownership restrictions for radio and television groups.

The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 that ended what was then commonly known as welfare, the Aid Families with Dependant Children (AFDC) and the Job Opportunities and Basic Skills Training (JOBS) programs.

The Line Item Veto Act of 1996. That was found to be unconstitutional and a grab for more power for the “Imperial Presidency”.

The Anti-terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 (also known as AEDPA) is a series of laws in the United States signed into law on April 24, 1996 to "deter terrorism, provide justice for victims, provide for an effective death penalty, and for other purposes." It was passed by a Republican-controlled Congress (91-8-1 in the United States Senate, 293-133-7 in the House of Representatives) following the Oklahoma City bombing and signed into law by Democratic President Bill Clinton.

The Anti-terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act had a tremendous impact on the law of habeas corpus in the United States. One provision of the AEDPA limits the power of federal judges to grant relief unless the state court's adjudication of the claim resulted in a decision that was: 1. contrary to, or involved an unreasonable application of clearly established federal law as determined by the Supreme Court of the United States; or 2. based on an unreasonable determination of the facts in light of the evidence presented in the state court proceeding. While critics have charged that this limitation effectively forecloses the power of federal courts to remedy unjust convictions, federal judges have found ways to grant relief to prisoners in habeas cases despite the limitation. After all, some interpretations of federal law can be not merely incorrect but actually unreasonable, thereby allowing federal courts to grant relief under the first prong of AEDPA's limitation. Other provisions of the AEDPA created entirely new statutory law. For example, before AEDPA the judicially created abuse of the writ doctrine restricted the presentation of new claims through subsequent habeas petitions. The AEDPA replaced this doctrine with an absolute bar on second or successive petitions. Petitioners who attempted to bring claims in federal habeas proceedings that have already been decided in a previous habeas petition would find those claims barred. Petitioners who had already filed a federal habeas petition were required to first secure authorization from the appropriate federal court of appeals. Furthermore, AEDPA took away from the Supreme Court the power to review a court of appeals's denial of that permission, thus placing final authority for the filing of second petitions in the hands of the federal courts of appeals. (from Wikepidia). The first real threat against the Writ of Habeas Corpus!

The Defense of Marriage Act, that allowed states to refuse recognition of certain same-sex marriages, and defined marriage as between a male and female for purposes of federal law.The Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997, that lowered the top capitol gains rate from 28% to 20%. Just like Dub-ya!

The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, a congressional statement of policy calling for regime change in Iraq. (Precursor for the Iraq War).

Initiated the Don’t ask, don’t tell policy toward gays in the military, 1993. A stab in the back after many campaign promises.

Extraordinary rendition got approval for the first time in the USA from the Clinton administration. The kidnapping and extra-judicial transfer of a person from one state to another for the purpose of torture. (Thought that Bush started one, didn’t you!)

The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, violating our 2nd amendment rights as free citizens.

Criminalization of desecration of the flag. http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/12/5/211436/972


It seems to me that we have a choice between McCain (Republican), Hillary (Republican light, also owned my the Corporatist's) and Obama (a Democrat)! At this time, getting Obama in is more important than making a statement about our displeasure.

My 3 cents worth (adjusted for inflation)
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foxer Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:00 PM
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29. Why are we talking issues,when did that start????????????
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:31 PM
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30. HA!
Because now they want our attention.
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