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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:54 AM
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Am I the only one ecstatic about McCain being the new frontrunner?
Seriously, this guy has no chance in hell of winning the election come November. Why? Conservatives fucking HATE him. They *will* stay home on Election Day or will NOT be enthusiastic for him like they were for Bush.

The only one that had a chance was Romney because he had at least *some* appeal to conservatives and was a very effective debater, but McCain has no chance.

The independents will break towards Obama if he wins the nomination and even Clinton would be able to beat McCain (look at '96 for proof: a war hero that conservatives weren't fans of vs. a Clinton).
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:55 AM
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1. Wrong. I'm scared to death.
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:55 AM
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2. Why? n/t
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:56 AM
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3. I think you are the only one
he scares the hell out of me. He's angry, violent, and white. I think he taps into a big vein of hate among the rw'ers
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:58 AM
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6. The conservatives HATE this guy though
He's the second coming of Bob Dole, I'm telling you. They will NOT go all-out for this guy like they would have had for someone like Fred Thompson. Look at Limbaugh's program for evidence. He spent 30 minutes of his show just running stupid little parody songs of John McCain.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:03 AM
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19. Talk about racist...
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 11:03 AM by 1corona4u
"and white"...
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:56 AM
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4. No, but you should be.
Of all the Republicans, McCain is the one most likely to win.

I predict that he will be the next US president.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:59 AM
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12. If that's really your prediction...
then aren't you sort of wasting your time here?
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:20 AM
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22. No, in a word.
Why would I be? So far as I can see, optimism about a subject is not a necessary precondition for interest in it.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:23 AM
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24. Me too.
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StrongBad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:57 AM
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5. His only strength is his military background
I'm not sure if independents (which will be the key demographic again in 2008) will be swayed by that but I am concerned that the Republicans may be energized by him. They seem to slobber over a pro-war military man with experience.

Plus, I must say, even if I disagree with him on pretty much everything, it is pretty badass to survive living in a POW camp for 5 years and at least some testament to his character.

I still wouldn't vote for him though.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:58 AM
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7. Don't be so sure of that.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:58 AM
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8. I think Romney would have done better than McCain against us, despite
the current head-to-head polling. Romney wasn't as tied to the war or the Washington status quo--he could have run as Mr. Fix-It outsider. McCain is a perfect example of what's wrong with being a lifetime politician, and his war jones will be his death knell. The GOP will be very sorry that they didn't nominate someone who could distance himself from Iraq and was not threatening to start new wars, which would require a draft, at this point.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:59 AM
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9. No - I think Johnny the war monger
may self implode around September. And telling the US to get used to less and worse jobs.
His biggest ally will be the corporate media whores.
oh, I forgot his adultery. That should piss off the fundies.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:59 AM
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10. I've been listening to conservative radio all morning
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 10:59 AM by Enrique
callers are bummed. Hosts are bummed.

You might be right about the independents breaking for Obama, but even if they go for McCain, he will lose. The GOP needs is totally dependent on large numbers of motivated conservatives and evangelicals. And Obama has some appeal among evangelicals.
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:59 AM
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11. I couldn't disagree more............
with your analysis. I think Obama has a shot to beat McCain, but certainly wouldn't put him in the driver's seat in that matchup. Hillary I think has virtually no shot at beating McCain. Why? Because all those religious conservatives that you speak of will come out in droves, not to vote for McCain, but to vote against Hillary. McCain also competes for swing votes with Hillary, including the security conscious "soccer mom" vote. I'm fully behind Romney on the GOP side.
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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:59 AM
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13. I think it is very dangerous to underestimate McCain.
He scares the hell out of me. The media will rally behind him as an American hero. Negative ads by dems will not turn out well against him. IMO
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:32 AM
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28. McCain will pull..
Independents and conservative Dems, especially the Dems who may be uncomfortable with the gender/race aspect of out candidates.


This is sooo not looking good. :(
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LSdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:59 AM
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14. I don't know
I have a feeling that no matter who the nominee is, once it is settled, the powers that be in the Republican party will deliver brand spanking new talking points from on high to unify the base, and that any past qualms will get disappeared like so many inconvenient facts in Republican revisionist history.
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:01 AM
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15. As Democrats
We need to want to take on whoever wins. Romney or McCain should both expect the fight of their lives. Clinton or Obama should not underestimate the Republican choice. Clinton or Obama should know that whoever wins The Republicans will be fighting like mad dogs to win.

I say bring on whoever they want and have a united Democratic Party thoroughly trounce them. Hell we should destroy the Republican candidate for daring to think we would not have a Democratic President this time around.

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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:01 AM
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16. Without the hardcore republican base, he's dead on arrival.
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 11:02 AM by cobalt1999
They just aren't going to vote for him.

With the economy and war issues, independents aren't breaking for the republicans in large numbers either.

Who does that leave him with? Hardly anyone.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:01 AM
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17. Not extatic, but I agree - permanent war - not a winning agenda in 2008.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:02 AM
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18. The only way to generate enthusiasm for McDrain would be to nominate Clinton. nt
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:08 AM
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20. Your are right, of course. But that's also precisely why
he probably won't be the pub frontrunner for very long.
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dommyluc Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:14 AM
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21. I agree totally
I honestly think McCain believes he will be able to get away with murder the way GWB did in 2000, when the MSM gave Bushie a pass on his drug use and National Guard AWOL scandal and everything else, while vilifying Gore at the same time. But things have changed: the netroots barely existed then, and had nowhere near the power it has now. Look what we did to Chris Matthews, and Don Imus, and a lot of other MSM dickheads. So the press man-love for McCain isn't going to be that easy to maintain. Also, McCain has a bad temper, and I'm sure he is going to implode very soon. Once the Dems bring up his past, like his votes in the Senate and his ties to the Keating 5, he'll turn red and start blabbering about how he has to be respected unconditionally because of his Vietnam POW experiences. But the Rethugs destroyed McCain's ablility to use his war record after they allowed the Swiftboating of Kerry and Cleland. McCain also is a lousy campaigner who tires out extremely fast and has a really hard time raising money, and it looks as though Mittens is going to stay in the race as long as possible in order to dry up his opponents war chest, mostly out of spite, I believe. And the shit-slinging between the two is going to make the Clinton/Obama feud look like a Sunday picnic (get the popcorn, friends!). But what really makes me laugh is that the neocon Rethugs think that McCain is a LIBERAL!!! If the party is that RW, as the country is moving to the left because of Chimpy and the Rethug Party's absolute and utter incompetence, then keep on calling each other liberal, boys!
A good friend of mine once said that the Republicans can only win if Dems cross over and vote for them. They have voted Rethug before because of lousy Dem candidates or because of fear tactics recently based on 9/11. But that doesn't work anymore, and Dems are truly excited about our chances. And this country absolutely DESPISES GWB, and there is no way that McCain or any other Rethug candidate can avoid that fucking albatross around their neck.
But that's just my opinion.....
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:31 AM
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27. a well-thought-out-opinion, too!
I was going to say "welcome to DU" but I see you've been here a while, so I'll just say "post more often"! :hi:

(I'm really scared of McCain's being the nominee--as in that tried-and-true saying, "Democrats fall in love; Republicans fall in line," I'm sure Limbaugh will be singing McCain's praises to the skies as soon as he's told to by his crab overlords. McCain has been sucking up to conservatives for years now in preparation for just this moment; his unpopularity in the past may become a distant memory as soon as evangelical churchgoers are told from the pulpit to forgive and forget. But I really, really, really hope you're right, because the points you make are all excellent and mine are only a gut feeling.)
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:22 AM
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23. If McCain picks up Huckabee as his running mate, that would be very bad.
I agree that McCain is loathed by the nutcase right-wingers. However, they like Huckabee. Just sayin...
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:25 AM
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25. Yep. He's the worst public speaker ever - he gets weird the longer he talks
He's a wishy-washy bozo who's for a war that's run it's course. I can't believe he will motivate the base to vote for him.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:27 AM
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26. My view is that it makes the War the issue rather than the economy.
That servves us well in the presidential and congressional races.
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