clinton supports, please convince me she can beat mccain (or romney) in nov

[kid a]

i support obama
& i will have no problem supporting hillary, when and if the time comes.

the MAIN thing that concerns me is the independent vote flocking in swarms to mccain if he is the gop's candidate.

how does she beat a majority of I's and a hillary hating energized gop ???

how?


i thought kerry had it in the bag in 2004 and ended up in the fetal position for two days after that election.
i fear another defeat

[maddiejoan]

1. Independents

aren't going to vote for McCain "100 years in Iraq is just fine with me"

[kid a]

2. is there a poll of iraq's imortance with independants

[maddiejoan]

7. Nobody

wants us in Iraq for the next 100 years

[Lucinda]

6. All the republicans I know dont like him either.

:D

[Skittles]

10. they don't like McCain

but they DESPISE Hillary

[TeamJordan23]

9. Who got more Independ votes in NH? nm

[Occam Bandage]

13. They have been so far. And he's been winning the anti-war vote, too.

[Radical Activist]

23. But why will people vote FOR Clinton?

We tried to depend on the idiot President being so unpopular last time that all we thought we had to do was run a safe alternative. That didn't work.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

3. neutralizes on national security, destroys on economy/domestic, and

if what happened so far in the primaries holds, benefits from a substantial female gender gap turnout

And hispanic vote.

Add debate skill, organization,

She will kill on the economy, and that will win Indys.

[Maven]

4. Attack where he's perceived to be the strongest - national defense.

This is the first tactic any candidate we choose should employ. The "stay in Iraq forever" policy is not going to go over well with independents.

Focus on his support for Bush's economic policy. Articulate a stronger policy of one's own.

Tie him to Bush and undermine his "maverick" image.

Clinton would probably be more convincing at the above than Obama because she's made experience the center of her campaign and she has a better grasp on policy details. Also, she would win a greater proportion of women voters and Latinos.

[The_Casual_Observer]

5. You would have to convince yourself first, then the Dem down the street

then the Independent on the next block & so on. That's the way it works. Assuming the fetal position gets you no place.

[kid a]

8. i've since come out of that position =) thanks!

[ruggerson]

11. The Clintons don't lose elections

they do what it takes to win.

Hillary is tough as nails, on message, and disciplined.

Bill will be a far greater asset in the general than now.

McCain is terrible in debates, Hillary is on her game.

Want more? :)

[Quixote1818]

12. As an Obama/Edwards supporter. McCain is toast in November

even if Hillary wins. People vote their pocket books and for results when voting for President. They will vote for Hillary even if they hate her guts. John McCain is going to be in a tough position with his stance on Iraq and all his flip flops on the Religious Right etc.

[Occam Bandage]

14. Well, MI and FL have shown

that the Clintons do great when voters can't get a look at 'em, and when their opponents can't campaign. So if you can somehow prevent the Republicans from campaigning, then I think they're a lock.

[TacticalPeek]

15. Some dems are said to be uncomfortable with the ferocity of Clinton's primary fight.

Imagine how her Republican opponent will feel getting ten, a hundred times the ferocity,
and how good it would feel to see the Republicans crushed.

:patriot:

[rodeodance]

20. yup--that's how it done.

[LVjinx]

16. McCain V Hilldog

Not to worry. Hillary has spent the last few years shoring up her national security and defense positions. That's why a lot of progressive voters don't like her and like Obama - they see Hillary as part of the machine that's enabled Bush's aggression. But she's also condemned the administrations tactics and called for withdrawal, something McCain hasn't done.

That COMPLETELY negates McCain's "tough on the war" stance. Hillary can claim the same voting history, and yet still support withdrawal. Her votes give her credibility, and she's for what most Americans are for. Most Americans don't want McCain's "we're gonna fight em til our grandkids are retired!" rhetoric.

And on the economy? She wouldn't just slaughter McCain, she wouldn't just massacre him, she would... I can't even think of how to describe the carnage that would ensue.

[Radical Activist]

22. That's what we tried last time.

We picked Kerry, who had strong national security credentials to neutralize Bush on that issue. But he didn't give people enough reasons to vote FOR Kerry. His vote for the war and attempts to look tough on national security made him look like an unprincipled flip flopper when he spoke against the war. It sounds like you're cooking up the same recipe with Hillary and the people didn't like it last time.

[MonkeyFunk]

17. convince me she wouldn't

[rodeodance]

18. YES SHE CAN, YES SHE CAN, YES SHE CAN, YES SHE CAN: FIRE-UP FOR THE LADY

[rodeodance]

19. that was my convincing rally for you to believe.

[splat]

21. McCain means more wars, longer stay in Iraq

[aquart]

24. If you support Obama, why are you worrying about Hillary?

Obviously, Obama will be the candidate and you will never have to worry again. He will do all your thinking and tell you just how to respond. It will be easy and wonderful. You will be happy.

The Democratic candidate will win. We could run a yellow rubber duck and it would be President Rubber Duck. That's the kind of year it is.