Hillary STILL won't apologize for her War Vote!

[ErnestoG]

It's perfectly OK to be wrong sometimes. It's even better to admit it, learn, and move on. But has Hillary Clinton done that? Oh hell no. In fact, she is prone to embrace that common Rethug trait of refusing to admit that your were wrong, as we have so painfully watched in the tortured rationalizations and constant mission modification of George W Bush.

Hillary Clinton, Hawk -

"I think it's a little depressing on several levels that it requires a long and brilliant article to make the point, but as Michael Crowley notes in a long and brilliant article on the subject the reason Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq authorizing resolution appears to be that she thought it was the right thing to do; it appears that she won't apologize for it because she doesn't think she was wrong; and, last, it appears that her views on both these things are connected to a larger worldview that's more militaristic than your average liberal's."

more -> http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/03/hillary_clinton_hawk.php

Now extrapolate this a bit. Hillary in The White House, and another stupid war launched on even flimsier evidence (maybe a late night phonecall from Hillary's AIPAC friends with an embedded directive to attack Iran? who knows), and Ms. Commander In Chief having to explain this all to the American people. What would she do? If historical patterns hold, she will pull a Bush and stick with her error, as untold numbers of Americans die and yet another innocent nation is up in flames from a decrepit, 19th century foreign policy.

Why won't Senator Clinton ever apologize for this vote....like John Edwards did? Two big reasons: Her massive ego coupled with her sense of political entitlement, and her corporate and defense industry masters won't have it.

Is this what you in the Hillary Camp want with a Hillary Clinton adminstration? I know I certainly don't. And I would bet I have almost a million dead Iraqi souls that would agree, from across the chasm of the great beyond.

[lonestarnot]

1. blah fuckety blah blah blah snnnnnnnnnnnnore.

:snore:

[ErnestoG]

2. Eloquent answer. I hope you work in her campaign.

[lonestarnot]

4. No but this is DU and I am definitely a fucking democrat. Wanna make something of that?

:putupyourdamndukes:

[ErnestoG]

8. How scary!

LOL

[lonestarnot]

10. Good now run back to the Fox snooze.

[ErnestoG]

11. I didnt get that from Fox News. Are you really that stuck for a decent reponse?

[lonestarnot]

13. I'm not rehashing old fucking news. Freepers will be glad to help you with that.

[ErnestoG]

14. Old news? She STILL hasnt apologized for it. Thats still news

And it should give you pause as she is posing as a war opponent.

[lonestarnot]

15. You haven't been paying attention. I'm sorry doesn't always come in the form designed specifically

for you.

[ErnestoG]

20. I'm paying attention to her rigid self righeousness and inability to cop to her goofs

Wouldnt that bother you, as a trait in a CIC?

[lonestarnot]

30. I'm tired going to bed.

Rely on someone else to kick it.

[ErnestoG]

31. Hopefully someone who will address the issue.

[lonestarnot]

34. What issue? bwwahhahahahahahahahahah

:rofl:

[ErnestoG]

37. the issue of a war crime, perpetrated with her help?

[lonestarnot]

55. McDrain or Mittwitt sounds more your speed issue.

[Hoof Hearted]

you guys working in the same room need to divide your posts so as not to be so damn obvious

because you are.

[ErnestoG]

16. As obvious as her inability to admit she fucked up?

[neutron]

33. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

this is all you can come up with?

[ErnestoG]

38. Yes, that issue will suit her well in a debate.

[rhett o rick]

53. You mean that she gave her support to the Bush/Neocon war that may be the worse thing

that has happened to this country at least in our lifetimes. She was a coward to stand up and do the right thing. That's enough.

[lynch03]

7. You really don't have much to contribute with your posts do you?

[ErnestoG]

12. I noticed that.

[_Wayne_]

3. George Bush lied to Congress, and to Senator Clinton, about Iraq.

Many times, she publicly stated she wishes the resolution would not have passed.

[ErnestoG]

5. then why won't she do what Edwards did?

the question is quite simple.

[joeprogressive]

If she was lied to she should have pushed hard for impeachment

The fact is she was intellectually lazy and didn't read the NIE.

[DJ13]

6. No need yet..........

[ErnestoG]

9. Really? How many more have to die so that she can comfortably confess?

[elixir2]

21. Why don't you take all the other "yeh" voters to task. Did JE's apology make it OK? No...HRC has

addressed the issue and sees the importance of getting out of Iraq as quickly as possible.

[ErnestoG]

28. Yes, Edwards apology is part of the point.

Do you LIKE it that HRC acts like GWB when she fucked up?

[ErnestoG]

18. Also, what do you think will happen when...

McCain rips her apart with this in the debates for the general election?

[JVS]

17. It makes Jesus weep.

[ErnestoG]

48. Jesus would slap her silly.

[hulklogan]

19. Guess who also voted yea on that resolution...

Senators Bayh, Biden, Cantwell, Dodd, Daschle, Feinstein, Harkin, Kerry, Kohl, and Schumer.

When will they apologize!!??!??!??!?!?

[ErnestoG]

23. Tu Quoque? Cheap equivocation. I asked you about HILLARY

who is positioning for the White House. Try to stay on point, please.

[hulklogan]

25. Ummmm, Dodd and Biden also were positioning themselves for the White House

Or have you already forgotten that?

[ErnestoG]

26. Are they NOW? Please stay on point. Can you do that?

[hulklogan]

36. The Hillbashers are so blinded by rage that they seem to think

Senator Clinton was the only person who voted on the IWR, somehow usurped Bush's Presidential power to order the troops to Iraq, flew the transport planes to Kuwait herself, and singlehandedly killed every innocent Iraqi and American soldier. And still had time to take pictures with Norma Hsu.

Every one of the 77 Senators and 296 Representatives who voted "yea" are just as responsible as Senator Clinton. And they are nowhere near as responsible as Bush and his bots.

[ErnestoG]

39. The only one? No, but she is one who refuses to apologize. And she's running too

in case you havent heard.

[hulklogan]

44. And so is Senator McCain who also voted yea and who refuses to apologize

It's interesting to see what happens to people when they finally feel what it's like when one of the leading Democratic candidates ignores something that is very important to them. It'll happen to us all sooner or later.

[ErnestoG]

45. Yeah, he's a Republican. So I care because?????

Why would I give a shit if a Republican wants to be a stubborn loser? I hope he does! I DONT want that in a Democrat. Do you?

[hulklogan]

49. Can we take a reality break here?

Nobody is forcing you or expecting you to support Senator Clinton. She isn't the nominee at this point. If you believe that her failure to apologize for being one of 77 Senators and 296 Represenatatives who voted for the IWR is too big of a transgression for you to support her, vote for her, donate money to her campaign, etc., I am 100% behind you. I feel the same way about Senator Obama and his McClurkin Fiesta. I applaud your vocal opposition to her, actually. That said, I don't understand this fantasy that she'll go on a bombing spree if she is in the White House and obliterate trillions of people on a whim.

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for her to apologize. She obviously feels that she did what was necessary at the time, and there are quite a few people who need to be apologizing before Senator Clinton.

[ErnestoG]

51. Edwards did it, and good on him. What's stopping Hillary?

Her massive ego, and her proximity to PNAC, that's what.

[Middle finga]

22. WTF is she too proud admit a mistake? Looks like she's been

studying George Bush

[ErnestoG]

24. PRECISELY the point.

Do I want that in the WH? Fuck NO.

[BenDavid]

27. Nor will she. Maybe you should vent at bush, or maybe get a

list of all the dems that voted for this same resolution and see if you can get them to apologize....

[ErnestoG]

29. Is Bush running? Please stay on point for gods sakes.

[sfam]

32. Who let the Bush "dogs" out again? Oh yes...those who voted for the war...

Truly, Clinton knew better. Everyone in the country knew what this vote was about. It was a political calculation, and a poor one at that.

[ErnestoG]

35. You're right...what dogs me is that she can't admit it.

[sfam]

41. I'm not sure I care whether she admits it or not...its costs us 2 trillion, lots of lives and...

you know the rest. Apologize for race-baiting in the heat of the moment by your surrogates. Trying to apologize for contributing to the downfall of this country is a little harder in my mind, especially when you know better.

[ErnestoG]

43. It shows she has the Bush-like allergy to acknowledge when she was wrong

Yes, that worries me.

[sfam]

50. Far worse...it shows poll-driven decision making trumps her conscience

This to me is the real issue. Again, I don't care about the apology at this point. Some things are just too large for that. If I truly believe she knew this was probably a bad decision and made it anyways (I do), its really hard to go forward from that.

[ErnestoG]

52. And that gives me cold chills.

[AtomicKitten]

40. One of the many reasons she should be ineligible from even running.

[ErnestoG]

42. I'd just like to see how she is going to defend this one in a debate

She will be turned into dogmeat with it. This is baggage that Obama does NOT have.

[AtomicKitten]

46. She ceded the moral high ground with her YES votes on the IWR and K-L.

She hasn't a leg to stand on.

[ErnestoG]

47. Bang on.

Like I want to entrust our foreign policy to the likes of THAT?

Oh, Hell No.

[Cant trust em]

54. I would love to see her apologize

It's the one thing about her that I really just can't get past. I could support her candidacy that much more if she would throw me this bone.