Hillary would lose against McCain.

[Bonobo]

That is all.

[OhioChick]

1. Agreed. n/t

[neutron]

16. with a NATO Commander VP?

against a geezer who should be in Assisted Liviing?

[ginchinchili]

36. Now if that NATO Commander was the one running for president...

that would be a whole new ball game, but people vote on the presidential candidate, not the VP.

[New Dawn]

38. Yep, the corporate media loves McCain too much to see him lose

[Mojambo]

2. I'm not certain of that, but it would be our closest head to head. n/t

[Kittycat]

Self-delete

Misread your post, never mind :)

[krkaufman]

55. Not sure about that, given Obama's likely the only one who can say ...

... he's been against the Iraq war from the start. (the "judgement" gap)

[RL3AO]

3. I think so too.

[jonnywishbone97]

4. Obama would lose against Ron Paul

and Giuliani and McCain and Romney and BUSH

[gulliver]

5. Why? n/t

[Cleita]

6. So would Obama. n/t

[Olney Blue]

7. McCain would lose against Hillary.

That is all.

[bushisdirt]

21. No way in hell. I don't know about the other states, but here in

California, roughly 20-25% of Democrats are going to vote for McCain if Hillary is the Demo candidate. And the Independents are like 85% for McCain.

[The_Casual_Observer]

8. If you have anything to say about it!

[cali]

9. I think she could win. It's a year that's very, very favorable to dems

but I think it'll be an uphill battle to get her elected, and that she could easily lose.

[libertee]

10. Yes, because the idiots here wouldn't unite behind her...

[Patchuli]

56. I don't like her

and I think that people who don't support John Edwards may be considered to be "idiots."

Now what? Quite frankly, I dislike Obama less than Hilary. So I hope he gets the nod if JE can't. I have a right to think differently than you.

The bottom line is that I will vote for the Dem, who ever gets the nom, over the Repub. That doesn't mean I have to "unite" behind someone I don't like in the primary. Remember, we live in a 'democracy' or so we say...

[Proud2BAmurkin]

11. McCain would trounce Obama on national security. Clinton wins on NS and economy

[TwilightGardener]

12. I don't think so. She's a far better politician than he is. It might be uncomfortably close,

however.

[jefferson_dem]

13. His "straight talk" bs would roll over her perceived pettiness and inauthenticity.

I fear it would not be pretty.

[NastyRiffraff]

14. and you know that...how?

Statistics? Facts? ANYTHING to back up that statement?

Obviously, from my sig, I don't support Clinton, but these crystal ball posts about how X will beat Y are silly. ALL the candidates have their strengths and weaknesses, including McCain.

[bushisdirt]

15. You are absolutely right. A Hillary Clinton nomination will put

McCain in the White House. I'm an Independent, but until last year I was a Democrat. I have always voted for Democrats. November will be my first time voting for a Republican if Hillary is the Dem nominee.

[TwilightGardener]

If you vote for a warmonger, then you deserve what we'll all get--WW3. If that's cool with you...

[neutron]

20. Kerry beat Howard Dean because he was more "Electable"

[PaDem]

40. Indeed...........

and he was the "establishment" candidate. So sick of having the establishment candidate rammed down my throat.

[misanthrope]

28. I think she puts any Repub in the White House...

...Clinton would energize their base and lose a lot of the folks voting for Obama and Edwards.

[Bright Eyes]

17. It'll be VERY close.

Too close for comfort.

[neutron]

27. Unlike John Kerry or Al gore

they had huge leads. Right.

And one was a War Hero.

[aquart]

18. Nobody is voting for a Republican president this year.

Stop being silly.

[Hoof Hearted]

19. You're assuming he's going to live that long, but even if he does, you'd be wrong.

I wouldn't hold it against you though. :)

[Sebass1271]

30. PLEASE GUYS DON'T TELL ME A WARMONGER

will win and people will vote against their interest!!..

plese, please.. i am really really scare about this shit.. i can't comprehend that people still would vote for a rpeublican after eight years of war, lies, deception.. everything!!

[_Wayne_]

22. If, by saying "That is all." you really mean you have no evidence

or no polls, or no empirical data of any kind to support your nonsense. All polls up to this point have indicated Hillary will beat any GOP candidate by more than Obama or Edwards.

Those are facts. And that, ridiculously misinformed poster, is all.

[Lint Head]

23. Obama would open up a can of 'Wup-Ass' on Mccain.

So would Edwards. :dem:

[cd3dem]

24. Hillary chance to win 91.7% over McCain, Obama 3.6% probability of winning over McCain

http://hominidviews.com/?p=1250

http://hominidviews.com/?p=1237

[UALRBSofL]

37. cd

How were these polls taken? I didn't know Hillary had that much a lead.

[cd3dem]

64. the results are from multiple polls per state match-ups... see link...

[DarthDem]

25. Hard-Hitting Argument.

I'm persuaded!

[neutron]

29. gee and here I thought you were an Obama supporter

pretending to be persuaded. And thinking you were being so shrewd that
nobody could ever figure you out.
You sure proved me wrong! BWAHAHAHA!

[katmondoo]

26. She is smarter and she will WIN

If it's Obama he will win, McCain will be the next Bob Dole

[La Lioness Priyanka]

31. bullshit. that is all.

[patrice]

48. Truly! BuShit!! nt

[joeprogressive]

32. k/r

[nonconformist]

33. Maybe. But Obama will lose against them all. nt

[agdlp]

34. The Surge is not working - That alone will take him down

In Iraq, President Bush talked about the success of the surge. The Administration brandishes many numbers. The one I'm most focused on is that 2007 was the deadliest year for U.S. troops in Iraq. And the humanitarian situation remains devastating.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/blog/view/?id=30685

[patrice]

53. Solidarity : - ) agdlp. nt

[ginchinchili]

35. Hillary and Obama will lose against McCain.

Democrats just aren't very smart. Their best candidate was also the candidate with the best chance of winning in the general election and that was Joe Biden. The Democrats have lost their way just like the Republicans.

[Pachamama]

52. Yep, that's why my vote is going to Edwards in CA....

I truly believe that only the Democrats could manage after 8 years of Crud and destruction from Bush/Cheney, to lose the '08 election to a Republican, but they will do it if the nominee is either Obama or Hillary. I know there are those that disagree, but call it intuition, and at this point I feel nauseated, because I think the decision was made a long time ago by the higher powers be that it was going to be McCain and Clinton, with McCain the victor.

:puke:

[ArfDogMNO]

54. I don't think there is that much difference on most issues between establishment condidates from

either party. Major issues such as Trade policy, our trade relationship with China (especially) are not being addressed in any detail because all of them will act pretty much the same.

"The Democrats have lost their way just like the Republicans."

The mistake is in thinking that there are 2 parties. We get globalist candidates from both parties, so what is the difference besides presentation and some small social policy things to keep people divided?

[jackson_dem]

39. Obama would. He doesn't have the experience or natl security cred to take on McCain

[patrice]

41. How many Obama supporters will desert him for McCain? nt

[sloppyjoe25s]

42. Obama brings dozens of new states into play

Obama can carry multiple states that are not even in play with Billary.

He can win versus McCain - where Hillary - who has taken more money from lobbyists than any other candidates - she would be a joke up against McCain the champion of Ethics and Campaign Finance Reform.

[NoBorders]

43. Yes she would.

[557188]

44. If Obama can't beat Hillary

How can Obama beat McCain?

Better concede the election to the Republicans!

[MonkeyFunk]

45. and the point of such a pointless, mindless piece

of flamebait is?

Please don't become like the rest. I like you very much. But my affection is being stretched. Not because of your affiliation, but because of your tactics.

[patrice]

46. If the Party intends to do this thing on Turn Out only, well . . . . Turn Out is up across the spect

rum Democrat to Republican. Lots of candidates. All party activity is up.

[patrice]

47. Hillary can handle McCain, so can Edwards. nt

[Lebam in LA]

49. NOT!

Any of ours will beat any of theirs. Look at how many people are voting for the democratic candidates. We have the #'s.

[Pachamama]

50. Yes, she would and it scares the shit out of me - Pres. McCain w/ VP Lieberman or Ghouliani

:scared:

[lynch03]

51. This vital fact is important, and it's what i've been promoting all along

I'm going to have a hard time biting my tongue if Hillary wins the nomination and goes onto lose to Mccain. It's such an obvious scenario. But some people insist on thinking the general electorate will vote her in, when many democrats i know won't even vote for her

[Captain Hilts]

57. HRC, BO and JE would wipe the floor with him. 'Nuff said. nt

[ErnestoG]

58. Yes, she would.

[Maven]

59. Thanks for the flamebait!

:hi:

[Avalux]

60. Agreed. n/t

[lebkuchen]

61. Somebody's going to make history, either the woman or black man

McCain will not sustain an effective campaign. I don't think he knows what city he's in most of the time.

[BootinUp]

62. mighty convincing argument lol. nt

[onenote]

63. what other future events can you predict? Who is going to win next year's world series

Heck the world series will be played before the 2008 election so you should be even more clear about that outcome than you are about an election that is 10 months away.