Hillary won big in MI and FL largely because of name recognition....

[Flabbergasted]

not because of her popularity as a candidate. Obama's Iowa win and good showing in NV and NH prove this.

She may have, and likely, would have won these states anyway, but Obama bridges polling gaps quickly when he campaigns because his state campaigns are very effective and he inspires people. People become motivated when he's around, one of the reasons why I think he'd make a good president at this point in history.


Moving into S.T. I think there will be a few surprises, most notably, a big Obama win in CA. Bet on it. Obama still has good momentum.


P.S. Most of the voters do not research candidates beyond their local news "revelations".

[Kittycat]

1. Hillary ran against "Uncommited" in MI

[Metric System]

13. What you fail to mention is that everyone knew Uncommitted meant Obama or Edwards

[Kittycat]

33. I'm sure many of their voters, voted for her out of no other option.

[johnnydrama]

41. doesn't matter

How much would you have to dislike Hillary to go out in the cold and the snow to vote for Uncommitted?

[noamnety]

45. No, they did not.

That's a ridiculous assertion. I only knew it from DU - I don't normally watch local news, and the one article I caught in the local paper about the ballot neglected to mention it. My in-laws only knew it because I had dinner with them - they were going to do write-ins.

On top of that, many people don't want to vote for "obamaoredwards" as if they are one interchangeable entity. It was a deterring factor that would have kept people away from the polls if they supported one of them but opposed the other.

[Metric System]

75. If I remember correctly, the exit polls indicated that those who voted uncommitted, did so knowing

they were voting for Obama or Edwards.

[noamnety]

84. An exit poll of those who went to the polls

is not the same as a random sample of those who would have gone to the polls if their candidate's name had been on the ballot.

People get disenfranchised in lots of different ways. Those who didn't vote because they felt disenfranchised were not included in your exit polls.

[Demeter]

2. Hillary "Won" Michigan Because She was Uncontested

Although Uncommitted came in a very close second....

[William769]

She was uncontested?

So the other names on the ballot were fictitious?

[Demeter]

24. They Were Less Than Useless

[William769]

32. But she was not uncontested, as you stated.

:eyes:

[Kittycat]

35. Kucinich was on the ballot

The others on there had dropped out.

[William769]

37. Which means she was NOT uncontested.

[William769]

3. Guess again.

He's tanking on the Latino vote. CA is just one of the S. T. States he's going to do bad in.

[Flabbergasted]

8. I could be wrong...but if we're discussing race...CA has a lot of blacks.

[William769]

16. Better check your demographics.

You will be surprised of the breakdown of the White, AA & Latino population.

[Flabbergasted]

27. Got me.

[sunonmars]

4. He's 6 days to do 24 states, good luck

[Fredda Weinberg]

5. Dunno 'bout you, but I've been seeing Obama's national ads here

in NYC. I suspect a few Floridians caught 'em too.

[KittyWampus]

12. Did he campaign in person. Cause when he does his support rises. Hillary's only shrinks

[Fredda Weinberg]

17. I think you're mistaking her for Rudy. HRC wows crowds n/t

[OHdem10]

6. Sorry---She won because she is viewed as competent, experienced

and ready to go.

[Flabbergasted]

38. Sorry. If Obama had campaigned in FL and MI it would have been close.

[xultar]

7. Yeah, people cannot pick a candidate unless they have commercials and shit in their mailbox.

Yeah, people can only choose a candidate if there is campaigning going on right in their fucking faces.

Apparently you think people are stupid.

[KittyWampus]

20. No, but when Obama campaigns in person he shrinks her lead EVERY time. If you don't think name recog

recognition had something to do with it, please reconsider.

Hillary's support has done nothing but shrink.

And Obama tied those who decided this week.

Not bad for a guy running against the Clintons.

Do I think he'd have won Florida if he'd campaigned there? No, probably not. But he'd have won way more delegates.

[Tulkas]

9. In Michigan She was the only one of the 3 that did not remove her name from the ballot

and still only got 51%

that is sad very very sad

[Scurrilous]

10. Yep..

:thumbsup:

[Metric System]

11. What? Do Floridians not have access to TV and newspapers? They must know who Obama is by now. He's

certainly doing well enough in the vote count. Besides that, I can't imagine so many people trekking to the polling station just to vote for the person whose name is most familiar. That's kind of insulting the intelligence of Floridians.

[Flabbergasted]

15. "Obama is inspringing to people when he's around." He makes then want to work.

[Metric System]

74. I thought the selling point is that he inspires people in their daily lives. At least that's what I

hear from his supporters. Now you're telling me they need to hold his hand to be inspired.

[Flabbergasted]

78. He'd have more clout in the WH.

[jackson_dem]

14. Obama has VERY high name recognition. His name recog. is higher than Edwards'

Next excuse for Obama getting thrashed despite cheating?

[Flabbergasted]

19. Not like Hillary's of course. Most people don't pay attention like we do.

The news is not enough for candidates like Edwards and Obama.

[jackson_dem]

42. It isn't enough to explain him getting killed

The last figures I saw showed about a ten point gap.That was months ago. With the coverage Obama has gotten since then, especially since Iowa he should be very close. If it was just about name ID was is Obama 17 points ahead of Edwards? They are similar in name recognition, although Obama has gotten so much coverage he has higher name recognition than someone who ran last time and was the VP candidate.

[Flabbergasted]

47. Many vote dependent on sound bites and their emotions....

Fond memories of the Clinton years are enough to show huge wins. This was what Clinton was anticipating the whole time.

Obama's ground game is extremely effective. Iowa, NH and NV prove this point.

I think if Obama had actively campaigned FL and MI we'd see a much different picture.

Hillary may have still won.

[jackson_dem]

53. We'll find out in about a week

;)

[KittyWampus]

23. Please, you KNOW Hillary's support only shrinks when Obama campaigns in person.

Why dispute it?

He probably wouldn't have won FL by campaigning in person... but he'd have shrunk her lead and gotten more delegates.

[Cass]

18. I find it interesting how quickly this new meme is spreading.

**name recognition**

If Obama doesn't have **name recognition** at this point, then he's got a honking huge problem on his hands.

:eyes:

[sunonmars]

21. I know, you'd think he'd just walked in from the street

Clinton is taking a massive amount of votes in Florida. Absolutely enormous.

[KittyWampus]

28. I find it interesting that Hillary supporters can't admit Obama wins over voters when he campaigns

in person.

There are very few states where Hillary hasn't lost support to Obama.

[Flabbergasted]

59. Fact: When Obama campaigns actively in states he gains support quickly...

Iowa, NH and especially NV show this.

[AtomicKitten]

22. Hillary's huge lead initially was most definitely because of name recognition.

And Obama has campaigned state by state and turned the tide. He won huge in Iowa and South Carolina, and lost by just 2 points in both Nevada and New Hamsphire.

Hillary has always had the upper hand when it comes to name recognition and reliance on her husband's political machine that they have been cultivating for the last two decades, but Obama is showing he is a formidable contender.

[sunonmars]

25. Well he has 6 days to do 24, that'll be fun for one on ones

[KittyWampus]

31. True, but that just shows how pathetic Clintons are. They only win by NOT campaigning

[mondo joe]

46. Don't blame them for being popular. NT

[mondo joe]

26. Do you think those states are caves? That they don't get the news?

[Flabbergasted]

39. Obama inspires people when he's around. He makes them want to work.

[mondo joe]

43. So he has to be around all the time in person to get anything to happen?

Priceless. :lol:

[Flabbergasted]

65. In the Oval office he'd have quite a podium nationally and internationally don't ya think? nt

[mondo joe]

72. But he has national presence now - people keep saying that's not enough and he

needs to be there in person.

:shrug:

[Flabbergasted]

80. Did GWB have more presence in or out of the WH?

[mondo joe]

82. Is being seen on tv what you mean by "on the ground"?

[Debi]

29. Yep, people for who they know

and if they haven't had the opportunity to see/meet/research the candidates then they go back and vote for the most recognizable name.

[Windy]

30. Her margin against uncommitted in Michigan wasn't that great. n/T

[milkyway]

34. Good point. Everybody knows Hillary and they either support her or they don't. Low-info voters,

however, know little or nothing about Obama. And the more they get to know about him, the better he does (kinda the opposite of Giuliani).

[Flabbergasted]

40. Exactly thanks.

[mondo joe]

44. Those poor Floridians, without internet or tv or magazines or newspapers.

Must be scary!

[milkyway]

48. It's a ridiculous idea that all voters know all candidates equally. Name recognition has always

played a major role in any political campaign, especially early in it. John Edwards ran for Vice President, for crissakes, yet there were plenty of voters who barely knew him.

[mondo joe]

54. Poor unknown Obama. He only has national press and commercials running in FL.

You'd think that SC victory would have counted for something.

[Flabbergasted]

61. No ground campaining which is where he is most effective.

[mondo joe]

69. If he has to be on the ground to be effective it's gonna be pretty sad if he gets the Presidency.

[Flabbergasted]

77. He'd have quite a podium in the WH. Haven't we had this discussion before?

[mondo joe]

79. I guess I don't understand what you mean by "on the ground".

He has national media attention now, but that didn't seem to be enough.

[demo dutch]

49. You really should consider to stop insulting people from FL, just because you don't like the results

She won because of the jewish and latino vote

[mondo joe]

55. Did you really need a sarcasm tag on my post?

[demo dutch]

85. heh listen people are also posting stuff like this on another thread and I quote:

"The senile and nearly dead will forget there was a primary tomorrow!!
And that just about 70% covers the FL Democratic voters and all of Billary's support.
Interesting time to live. May we be remembered well "

[demo dutch]

50. You're wrong. Everyone I know, knows lots about all the candidates and

still voted for Hillary. Low-info folks generally don't vote in primaries

[Flabbergasted]

51. Mark these words. If Obama was on the ground we would have seen a

much different outcome.

NV, IOWA, amd NH prove this.

[demo dutch]

52. IA and NH are not representative of the rest of the country

[Flabbergasted]

58. They are however quite representative of the effectiveness of Obama's campaigning

[milkyway]

63. You're right. They're white as snow.

[mondo joe]

56. Your marked words are simply speculation from someone drunk on the 0bama koolaid

[Flabbergasted]

60. Good god. Frankly, It is just an observation no matter how factual.

I have no vested emotional interest in Obama winning at this point. He doesn't really attract me.

[nonconformist]

66. Not necessarily... the more I learn about Obama, the more I know he's not the right candidate.

:shrug:

[Flabbergasted]

70. By and large he gains support when he campaigns on a local level.

[lonestarnot]

36. I'm reading a book about him.

[Hill_YesWeWill]

57. I just wanted to give my opinion about this for whats it;s worth

as a Clinton supporter, and more as a democrat, I found Clinton pretending to win Florida kind of embarrassing, I mean, I am embarrassed by it!

[jackson_dem]

62. Only 3% of Americans don't know who Obama is. Next excuse?

[Flabbergasted]

73. Ask all these people to write essays on what they know about Hillary vs Obama. nt

[nonconformist]

64. Right... because people that live in MI and FL live in caves.

I'm fairly certain that people in MI and FL have television, radio, the internet and can, shockingly, read.

[Flabbergasted]

67. Obama's ground game is where he is most effective. Of course he'd lose without it.

[nonconformist]

71. So what you're saying is is that he can't win on the issues?

That he needs to speak to people in person to get their vote?

[Flabbergasted]

68. dupe

[Flabbergasted]

76. oops

[krkaufman]

81. Don't discount the value Clinton gained from her pre-primary pandering ...

... in regards to her request that the Florida delegates be seated. Her campaign used this request as a means to skirt the "no campaign" pledge, knowing it would garner her a lot of friendly local news coverage. She could just as easily have made the request AFTER the primary, but then doing so wouldn't have given her any vote boost.

[calteacherguy]

83. LOL. I just posted a duplicate thread...didn't see this one. nt