The reason for the Obama snub of Hillary

[MagsDem]

It's really quite simple.... he has the most gigantic ego of any politician you will ever meet. It's the same reason he gets all whiny when he is getting his butt kicked, why he complains when candidates use the same tactics he uses against them, and the same reason he is running for president even though he has never run a federal campaign against a real opponent IN HIS ENTIRE LIFE.

It's because Barack Obama thinks he is god's gift to politics. He does not care if he is too inexperienced to win for the party, nor if he is too inexperienced to competently run a country. He has an ego the size of Montana. He is better than the rest of us, and all of us. Or so he thinks.

[Skinner]

1. Oh, brother.

I am getting so tired of hearing about The Snub.

[featherman]

4. Thank you Skinner

[MagsDem]

6. Just saying, there's really no mystery about it

... at least not from what I have seen. His arrogance reminds me of GW Bush. And given that he has no track record that would justify his support for POTUS people got to take their clues from somewhere. If he gets the nod, a lot of people are in for a very rude awakening.

[FrenchieCat]

23. Photographic evidence showing No Snub!

Check mate!

[grantcart]

33. another Obama supporter resorting to facts

have you people no shame

[anamandujano]

49. If she weren't wearing that red suit, I might buy your logic.

He could see her a mile away. If Claire did speak to him, he could have said, "one moment, please" and shook Hillary's hand.

Was he also supposed to be unconscious of Ted's leaning over with extended hand? I suspect that's what got him weirded out.

[Gloria]

67. He just looked right over her and deliberately turned away....

as soon as she moved toward Kennedy...I think he may have been miffed that Kennedy would greet her just as much as he was ticked at her reaching toward Kennedy. He was avoiding the whole thing...just didn't want to extend himself to be gracious and mature.

[Debi]

37. Wow, that's not the feel I got from him at all

Of course I only saw him a few times and only had one-on-one time twice while he campaigned out here in Iowa (my husband and I were clear with him that we were remaining neutral and our son was volunteering for Joe Biden), he was gracious and friendly with us.

[surfermaw]

83. My thoughts exactly

[Yossariant]

86. In the crunch, he is unable to man up.

[krkaufman]

87. Man, FrenchieCat made you look pretty bad, there.

You may now return to your previously scheduled hatefest.

[Cant trust em]

8. Why do you have that icon next to your name? n/t

[lonestarnot]

47. OMG

:rofl:

[Cant trust em]

48. huh? n/t

[NMDemDist2]

52. I'll take pity on the newbie

the blue icons are only three

the holy trinity of DU, the ADMINS

Skinner
EarlG
Elad

(they also use it for the Top Ten Conservative Idiots, usually but not always written by EarlG of teabag fame)

welcome to DU

:hi:

[Cant trust em]

78. Thanks

I've practically lived on DU for the last two weeks, but I haven't seen that. I guess today is the day.

[lonestarnot]

79. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[NashVegas]

18. The Scream, Part Deux

Only not as much traction :)

[chimpymustgo]

22. This is about Obama's EGO.

It's something we might do well to NOT ignore.

[grantcart]

31. sigh

[grantcart]

46. sorry for the repition in 31 above

unable to edit

[MH1]

40. Especially since it didn't even happen?

Skinner, sometimes I'll bet you wonder if running this website is worth the aggravation. Kudos to you for putting up with it.

:toast:

[Redstone]

53. You're not the only one.

Redstone

[LittleClarkie]

69. Cheers Skinner

It's amazing what people think they can learn from one photograph.

[jakefrep]

90. self/delete - posted in wrong place.

[sunonmars]

2. Which means if this Florida is a landslide for HC, tomorrow is whiner day

[MagsDem]

10. No doubt - then brace yourself for Super Tuesday

There will be a million threads, all devoid of reason, about what mean ole HC did to deny a guy with no experience to speak of in his grand bid for POTUS.

[neutron]

26. Hillary rigged every primary she won. Just ask Obama

[tammywammy]

35. Really he said that?

Link please

[elixir]

41. I think Obama is the rigger. Didn't he effectively knock out all challengers on their nomination

papers in an Illinois race? Of course, it was all legal and .... lethal. He's just like the rest of us and if he can't shake HRC's hand now how's he going to handle diplomatic relations w/ an enemy if he becomes president?

[donheld]

80. Hopefully by then someone will introduce you to a

Tombstone.

[Ken Burch]

3. All of what you said in the last paragraph can equally be said of HRC...

...I'd be really, REALLY careful about going there if I were you...

[MagsDem]

5. Why? He's completly unqualified

He is literally the worst candidate we could choose.

[Cant trust em]

7. He's more qualified than edwards

Strictly on a resume basis. He has a longer history in public office.

Policy is another story.

[MagsDem]

16. Sorry, being a state senator does NOT qualify a person

... to be president of the United States (no matter how good his speech writers are). Ever met a state senator? His candidacy should be a joke around here.

[Cant trust em]

19. If being a state senator doesn't cut it,

being first lady or a trial lawyer certainly doesn't cut it.

[MagsDem]

28. She's been a senator for 9 yrs

And worked on policy issues on a state and federal level for 35 yrs. Not even close.

[Cant trust em]

34. First let's work on a fact check

She's been a senator for 7 years, not 9. The claims of substantive input on policy issues before that is highly dubious at this point. I'll take someone who has been an actual elected official with a lesser office over someone who has been married to someone powerful any day.

[roguevalley]

24. bill clinton was a small southern state governor. not exactly a

resume that would inspire. a governor is not much above a state senator. find a new argument. personally, anyone who wants to run in the mudfest that is now politics is welcomed by me.

[MagsDem]

29. A governor is not much above a state senator?

Okay, you just demonstrated that you have zero experience in politics. That statement of yours is patently absurd. Bill Clinton was the state's chief executive for 12 yrs. And yes, a state executive is so far above a state senator that it is not even comparable.

[roguevalley]

42. and you are the absurd one. For godsake. A senator and a governor

are doing the same business at nearly the same level. How do you know what I have experience in? Who the hell are you? Bill was a governor. His status may be slightly higher but the work is the same. For godsake. A state executive and a state senator are not even comparable? Ha!

[MagsDem]

54. That's complete crap

A governor runs a state the way a president runs the country -- they are both executive branch offices. They have a cabinent, they appoint and direct how govt agencies are run. A senator, whether state or federal runs absolutely nothing but his own office. It's obvious you have never actually worked in politics. That is truly one of the most ignorant things about the machinations of politics that I have ever seen posted.

[roguevalley]

62. well, well, well, aren't you the nasty little one. First of all, without the

assistance of at least half of the legislature, governors got nothing. Look around the states. You will find iron butt legislators that run states, regardless of the governor.

lets compare the resumes of our front runners shall we?

state legislator: Obama, yes. Hillary, no

first lady: Obama, no. Hillary, yes.

senate of USA: Obama, yes. Hillary, yes.

Anything beyond that: nada for both. It would appear that both of them have about the same level of 'experience' as the other. I doubt that looking decorous in foreign capitals and attending funerals and representing the country well counts for more than just a hairs breath of advantage. But who the hell am I in the face of your self avowed superior wisdom?

As for governors, bill clinton was a governor and nothing more when he was elected president. He had no other experience and it was a huge issue in the election if I recall. You seem to think that matters with Obama and no one else. I don't see any former presidents running in this election and therefore that argument gives NO ONE and advantage, whether in your infinite wisdom you think it does or not. If it didn't matter with Clinton, it shouldn't matter with Obama unless you are a partisan.

You would do more with your argument, such as it is, without the vitriol. Ignorant? I think you protesteth too much, honey. You want to continue to throw rocks at me, you go right ahead. Little person. I don't care. And what you don't know about me and what I have done in my life would sink a ship.

By the way, pal, I'm for Edwards.

[MagsDem]

68. Sorry, that's just complete BS

I've worked on the volunteer end at high levels of state government for over 15 yrs. And you're just talking out your behind if you think a state senator has anywhere near the power or experience in the running of a government as a governor. Again, it's a patently absurd claim to make.

Hillary Clinton and John Edwards both have much more experience than Obama has, and the most experienced candidate of the three is Clinton by far. She did not sit around picking China patterns while Bill spent 12 yrs running AR, and then 8 yrs running the US govt. I voted for Bill Clinton both times, in the primaries, and one of the reasons why I did was because he made it very clear that she would be involved in policy development. They were a twofer, as he put it then.

I prefer Edwards because he is more progressive on policy than Clinton, but all this Hillary bashing here smacks of complete sexism. As if all her years, her entire adult life basically, working in government doesn't count as experience. It's complete bullshit. As if she was just some hanger on wifey or something. What a pantload of crap.

[surfermaw]

84. Bill Clinton spent his EENTIRE life trying to learn what was needed for President

HE studied every President from the 1st President of the United States till the last one before he became President.

[Ken Burch]

36. The reality is, Obama has just as much chance of getting nominated as HRC

(I'm not thrilled with either of them, mind you)so it CAN'T be in the party's interest to attack a strongly likely nominee in that way. HRC will never be able to ask Obama people to back her if HRC people talk about him like you are. You're playing a pointlessly dangerous game.

Stick to where they come down on the issues. THAT'S what really matters.

[MagsDem]

56. At this point, I will stay home rather than vote for him

Her, I can stand, though I would prefer Edwards. But after much pondering, I just can't involve myself in electing the GW Bush candidate of the dem party. I just can't do it. I don't think he will get the nomination, but if he does he's not getting my vote.

[Nedsdag]

89. "The GW Bush candidate of the dem party?"

I guess you're supporting Hillary, right?

[jlake]

9. I am getting tired of talking about the snub, but your points are spot on.

[ErnestoG]

11. You mean the snub that never happened?

Oh yes, that one. Continue.

[jefferson_dem]

12. Enough on the so-called snub.

...Please.

[babylonsister]

13. You have no damned clue if it was even a snub. You DO like to

mouth off.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4270769

[MagsDem]

20. Looks pretty clear to me

And really, you'd have to have an ego the size of Montana to think you should take our party's nomination for POTUS based on being a state senator for 6 yrs, and your one and only election win in a federal election being against Alan "fucking right wing nut job to end all right wing nut jobs" Keyes.

[tigereye]

39. people seem to be inspired by Obama

that's a big part of why people choose to vote for certain individuals for President... :shrug:


all these "mountains out of molehills" are tiresome, whether it's about HIllary or Obama or Edwards. I'd much rather hear about substantive issues.

[MagsDem]

57. He makes me ill the way he panders to rethugs

And I am old fashioned, I still think a candidate ought to have some real experience in executive or federal govt before we hand him our entire country to run. He's too arrogant to get the experience under his belt. He won't get my vote, even if he is the nominee. It will be the first time in 29 yrs that I haven't voted in an election, but I will not be a party to putting someone that unqualified in the oval office.

[tigereye]

77. funny, I have heard this kind of commentary from both candidate's supporters

suum quique

[roguevalley]

14. so basically, he's one of the kewl kids and you aren't? What kind

of ego do you think it takes for ANYONE to put themselves through this shit on the road to the White House? A big one.

[MagsDem]

25. Yes, all politicians have huge egos

But it takes a monster ego to think you are qualified to be our party's nominee when your only federal election win was against Alan Keyes in Illinois. My dog could have beat the complete right wing nut job Alan Keyes in that election. I swear, it is complete lunacy to support someone with nigh on NO experience. Leave it to dem voters to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[roguevalley]

38. american history is littered with people doing just fine with little

experience. you are grinding an ax that can cut both ways.

[MagsDem]

61. Really? Name me a less experienced nominee for the dem party

for POTUS, ever?????

[roguevalley]

63. Bill CLinton had no national experience. Obama has been a

Senator for a few. That is more national experience than Clinton.

[MagsDem]

65. Bill Clinton ran a state government for 12 YEARS!

Obama has never run anything.

[elixir]

43. Spot on, Mags Dem.

[AGirl]

15. Men and their big egos.

[CalebHayes]

17. Or maybe he was just talking to another senator

and she was talking to Ted Kennedy. I think that is the reason why.

[roguevalley]

27. Claire McCaskille said that was the way it was. Oops. Logic!

[elixir]

44. Conveniently, Claire is an Obama supporter. What do you think she's going to say

[roguevalley]

64. perhaps the truth?

[Gloria]

73. Obama saw Hillary coming--studiously looked OVER her...

he turned to avoid her before McCaskill came into the scene...

[Gloria]

74. self-delete dup

[earth mom]

21. Isn't that what happens with celebrity? Obama's got the "rock star" ego & attitude.

Spare me. :eyes:

Me, I want someone who has class, substance, integrity and tenacity = Gore or Edwards.

[VotesForWomen]

30. true; he seems very arrogant. nt

[Faygo Kid]

32. What a pantload. Stamp your feet and throw a tantrum much?

I normally stay away from such idiocy, but this is just too much. Your argument is ridiculous. If Obama gets the nod, please enjoy voting for the Republican in November. Or not voting, or voting third party, or writing in Hillary, or just sucking your thumb that day.

[MagsDem]

58. Sorry, I won't contribute to electing a completely unqualified candidate

I have never voted for a republican in my 29 yrs of voting -- not a single one, and I'll not ruin my perfect record now. But I am sure as hell not going to be party to voting for someone that has absolutely no qualifications for the job.

[Faygo Kid]

66. Please feel free to go away, but remember that resume is not everything.

Last response to you: James Buchanan was probably the most eminently qualified candidate in U.S. history. In case you never heard of him, here is his resume: Service in Pennsylvania's General Assembly, 5-term United States congressman, United States senator, minister to Russia, secretary of state under President James K. Polk, and ambassador to Great Britain.

His successor was a one-term (two years) congressman from Illinois.

Oh, and by the way, you can check out Nixon's qualifications versus John Kennedy's, too. I am sure you would have made the same arguments in 1960 (and look what you got in 1968).

So spare me the hate you post here with such regularity, using a "resume" as the excuse.

By the way, for which national office has Hillary Clinton run for (not campaigned for, run for).

[MagsDem]

75. you know what they call that in logic class?

Stupidity.

1. One qualified president that did not do a good job does not mean that all qualified people will do a bad job.

2. Richard Nixon did not run against JFK for the dem nomination. JFK also made some pretty bone-headed rookie mistakes. Huge ones, in fact. And he got killed, so it's possible that he might not have made more, but he sure made some huge mistakes while he was in office. Think bay of pigs and sending troops to Viet Nam just for starters.

3. Hillary Clinton has spent nearly her entire adult life working on government policy and issues. More than 30 yrs to be exact. One of the reasons I voted for Bill Clinton in the primaries was BECAUSE he made it very clear she would be involved in policy development. She was not some hanger on wifey that picked out China patterns, and it is blatantly sexist to say that all those years of experience don't count for anything.

[Faygo Kid]

76. Your hate betrays you.

And your ignorance reveals you.

[ErnestoG]

70. Glad to hear you're not voting for Hillary, then

[mrmx9]

45. Surely no one has a bigger ego than Bill Clinton?

[MagsDem]

59. Not so huge he expected to be elected president

with no executive level or appreciable federal experience. Clinton was governor of AR for 12 yrs. And he would have been laughed off the stage had he run for president with as little experience as Obama has.

[Quixote1818]

50. The 18 people who recommended this must be the same 18 people

who keep posting this shit. I suspect all the sane Hillary supporters are as disgusted as the rest of us. :eyes:

[MagsDem]

60. Here's a clue, I am the OP and NOT an HC supporter

I support and will vote for John Edwards in our primary. He is the most progressive candidate with enough experience for the job. So, there goes your theory that people see Obama for the empty suit he is because they support Hillary. Hillary is irrelevant to my dislike of Barrack Obama.

[GalleryGod]

51. Because it did not happen, Mr. Zapruder!

:rofl: :patriot: :rofl:

[ShortnFiery]

55. KKKarl, tell Mark Penn to give it a rest.

:crazy:

[Skip Intro]

71. You got it. K&R.

[LittleClarkie]

72. Nah, it's clear from the photo that she was passing gas

and he had to turn away so he could get some air. You can totally tell from the look on his face.

Unless you know the man, or know someone who knows him, then there's no way you can tell what kind of a man he is unless you can backup what you say with a link or something.

[Faux pas]

81. He's an ass, she's an ass. We don't need any more asses in

the white house.

[Skittles]

82. THERE WAS NO SNUB

I read his interpretation of the photo and it sounded absolutely reasonable

[TheDonkey]

85. Clinton never really had the stiffest competition when she ran to be honest

her competition was pretty lightweight in NY

[krkaufman]

88. You are as ill-informed as you are prejudiced.

Obama was resoundingly winning against his opponent in the run for the IL Senate seat, before events necessitated that candidates withdrawal. He ended-up running against Alan Keyes because the IL Rethugs couldn't find anyone *within* the state stupid enough to take him on and have their ass handed to them.

Don't be fooled by the polls. Obama would clean McCain's clock in the GE. He is our only remaining candidate who can substantially differentiate himself on the Iraq war.

[jakefrep]

91. The Snub is a figment of Hillary's imagination - get over it already

nt.