One last time before the Kaibosh.

[dawgman]

Kerry is a centrist chump and nothing good will come from the DLC bullshit that brought this about.

I am afraid that this taste of bile I am experiencing won't leave my throat until years from now...way to go. I am going to go be sick and then to bed.

John Kerry, you better lead in a way I don't believe you can or we are fucked.

[Newcastle]

1. I'm with you.

This is depressing. I'm about as excited about voting for Kerry in November as I am about cleaning out my garage. Actually, cleaning out my garage probably has the advantage. I think it's going to be very hard to get out and vote in November. Very, very hard.

[dawgman]

2. don't get me wrong i'll do the "right" thing and vote for the bastard,

I just hope they will accept my vomit stained ballot.

[Newcastle]

3. I told my wife

I might just stay home in November. She won't let me because Bush sucks worse than is even humanly imaginable. Still, as I said in another post, I've been holding my nose and voting for the DLC candidate so long, my nostrils are permanently pinched. After a while, this gets old, repetitive, boring and counter-productive.

[gardenista]

4. Your wife is a wise woman.

Hey, you might be in the market for one of my clothespins!

New motto, courtesy of rucky:

"A vote with your nose held counts the same."

[oasis]

5. Just vote with an absentee ballot. It's over with just like that.

[dawgman]

6. I agree how many times do we have to hear "just this once we will appease

the center to right of center, then things will go our way and we can effect change." It's all bullshit. Every time we move to the right the right moves to the right and we lose ground.

Let's move an inch to the left so that next time we can move a foot to the right.

Do people on this board really wonder why 40,000,000 of us are uninsured and we are the only western nation not to have health care? Do they really wonder why the world hates us? Do they really wonder why we can't arrive at a sensible energy policy? We who keep nominating these corporate nut jobs as our "left" candidates are just as complicit in this as the repubs. There is no real difference. And don't give me bullshit surface differences. There are no PROFOUND differences between run of the mill dems and run of the mill repubs.

Fuck em all. that said I will still vote Kerry in Nov. so that I can proudly exclaim, "Don't blame me I voted for Kodos."

[Newcastle]

7. I'll vote for Kerry in November.

I won't do the sign in the lawn and the bumper sticker, though. I'm not very proud of the fact that I have to vote for Kerry.

[Forkboy]

8. I hear ya dawgman

I feel the exact same way.How many children have to go homeless and hungry before we realize that something just isn't right with the way things are set up.It would be nice to blame the repubs for all our ills but the homeless problem was just as bad under Clinton as it was under Bush 1 and Reagan before him.After awhile you realize that there's just no excuse for this stuff continuing.The difference between what America is and what it could be is staggering,and sad to the extreme.

In November the Democrats will get my last vote for a major party.A third party wont change things right away,but at least it's an attempt to try something different,to break out of this rut which isn't helping those who need help much at all.What we have is broken,and no amount of fear will sway me next time from trying to fix it.

[AndyTiedye]

15. No Difference?

On Roe v. Wade? If Bush* "wins" again it's history.
Gay Rights? Bush* wants to amend the Constitution to take them away.
the environment? Bush* wants to let Big Oil run roughshod.
need I go on?

[Dogmudgeon]

9. Looking for a "Leader"?

Then you're a knucklehead.

John Kerry, Howard Dean, Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader, Jesus Christ or Bob Dobbs won't do a damn thing unless we stay active. The idea that we can vote for a guy who will do the fighting for us is a pipe dream.

There's more than a single person in the White House. There's 100 in the Senate and 435 in the House. There's 9 in the Supreme Court and almost one hundred in the circuit courts. And that's just the major players. The minor ones number in the tens of thousands.

Kerry gives us access. That's all, but that's the key. Nobody will do the fighting for us until and unless we do it ourselves.

If you're not already a leader in some capacity, you need to put more effort into your own persuasion skills, rather than gnashing your teeth about this candidate or that. It's going to take a lot of grassroots troops to root out the neo-con weeds, and it's not going to be bounded in a single electoral term. All the President can do is sign laws and look pretty. The power is with us.

--bkl

[Newcastle]

10. Kerry

can't give anyone access if he doesn't get in the door first, and he can't get in if people don't vote for him. I know a lot of Democrat who didn't bother to vote today because they don't like Kerry at all and they knew he would win. What's the point? We basically have to hope that Bush keeps doing a lousy job straight through October, since fear of Bush is the only thing driving the Kerry vote.

[Kanary]

12. And how many people will do that?

I agree with you, but..... as apathetic as the majority of people have become, how many people do you *realistically* think will actually do the follow through? Even people here on DU, who are supporting the DLC..... how many of them truly realize the job that it's going to be to keep the "liberal" on track?

Look how many people protested this ugly war, and yet it went forward. How many people is it going to take to keep affecting the decisions of another DLC pres, and are we really gearing ourselves for that?

I would like to think so..... but.....

I've been around that block a few times.

We're going to have to start a whole lot of fires...

Kanary, glad to have the opportunity to actually say what she thinks....

Another Delusional Diehard for Dennis!!

Kucinich 2004!

[Sugarbleus]

11. I agree with what everyone has said here...I will vote for

"Abraham" Kerry AND I will also continue to hold his big feet to the fire in terms of taking care of business the liberal way. We can and should continue to look forward to the next election after this one; look for more left leaning candidates or support a strong third party.

Also, the house and senate have to be changed and watched as well. I mean, no matter which dem got elected, they'd still have to fight that right wing congress tooth and nail. I read something the other night about how the dems don't "expect" to do so well in winning new seats up there. WTF? :(

My only solidly focused wish is to GET THAT PUNK OUTTA THE WHITE HOUSE before he gets us all killed.

Hang in there folks, we still have a fight ahead.

[slinkerwink]

14. that was my same reaction too when I read that article

and it's a big reason why I'm supporting Dean's new grassroots organization for local and state offices so we can get more Democrats into offices, and more Democrats into Congress. When will Democrats stop being pansy-waisted wussies?

[NoCorporatePols]

13. Bravo - well said !

[revcarol]

16. I am going to bust my butt to elect PROGRESSIVE members of Congress.

I am NOT just going to settle for someone who has a 'D' in front of his/her name.

I was so pissed by his speech last night. "Raising the minimum wage" will do a whole lot so that people can afford his insurance company boondoggle insurance.NOT.

He just brings out the worst in me, because I have contacts with Mexican farmers in Oaxaca that have been driven into destitution by American agri-business dumping grain at low prices in Mexico.And all Kerry wants to do is tinker around with trade agreements, making them appear cosmetically better but unenforceable.

Organized labor members were sold out and their leaders should be canned.Nothing like a kindlier gentler shipping out of jobs, and race to the bottom on wages.

We should form a group that is into electing PROGRESSIVES, and PEOPLE WHO WANT DIPLOMACY, not war. I don't trust Kerry as far as I can throw him to not do pre-emptive war again-just hidden by allies, and not to throw us to the corporate wolves.

And, if next MAR 20, WE ARE STILL IN IRAQ IN ANY FORM, I WILL BE IN WASHINGTON,DC PROTESTING THE DEMOCRATIC WAR!!

[Loonman]

17. Then write in Dean

Help George Bush win in 2004.

[SaddenedDem]

18. Marvelous idea!

So glad I thought of that!

[revcarol]

19. Your screen name suits you,

except it's misspelled.

[Atlant]

20. Will do -- Thanks for our suggestion! (NT)