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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:45 PM
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Dear Obama Supporters: Why will your guy not call for impeachment?
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:46 PM
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1. Are any of the "top three" calling for impeachment?
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:46 PM
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2. Has Hillary called for impeachment?
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:46 PM
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3. why should he
people generally just want to ignore Bush now and choose who replaces him.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:46 PM
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4. Same reason none of the others, except Kucinich, did....
not that I'm an Obama supporter. I'm voting for Edwards.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:48 PM
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8. Don't look now, but there's a thread that was just
started asking this very same question of Edwards supporters. Just when I'm out of popcorn!
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:51 PM
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9. OK. I won't look.
:D
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:47 PM
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5. Because Bush will be out of office by the time the new Administration starts.
Because it has to start in the House.
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Tulkas Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:48 PM
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6. The same reasons almost nobody else will
Mostly it is Pelosi. She swore that there would be no impeachment on her watch. She is Speaker and impeachment is done in The House.


You can attack the parties leadership if you want to but no major candidate is now or ever has called for Bush's Impeachment.
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Tulkas Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:48 PM
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7. EDIT, double post sorry
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 06:10 PM by Tulkas
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:52 PM
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10. None of them do. I wish they did, I support impeachment.
But that being said, I still support Obama.
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:19 PM
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13. Che would want you to donate and get a star....
He would, really...
And welcome to DU!:hi:
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:38 PM
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19. Thanks for the welcome
Maybe I should alter my sig line to "To donation - Always" LOL
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:54 PM
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11. Looks grandstandy. Bad issue to spearhead as a candidate.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:09 PM
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12. Because the House has said they won't do it and there is not time left
to do it.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:21 PM
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14. Weak, but okay .......
Will he prosecute those who committed crimes? Or can they breath easy in an Obama presidency that they will get away with what they did?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:49 PM
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26. You mean as the Iran/Contra people did?
Expect a lot of pardons in the last weeks of Bush's administration.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:03 PM
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33. Iran Contra ........
Yeah ..... like that.

Reagan and Bush never pardoned themselves. Both were guilty.

Both walked.

That didn't make anyone but the soon-to-be-unfettered Republicans happy.

I don't want that again. I would bet ANYTHING you don't want that again (you and I met, you know, at an event in DC for our 2004 candidate). Does Obama?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:17 PM
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37. But it meant it was harder to pressure the people
immediately below them to speak - and Bill Clinton wanted to unite the country. I think at minimum they need to get to the truth. (I think it was another Kerry person you met because I have only gone to NJ, NY, and MA.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:24 PM
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17. Clinton was impeached within a very short matter of time. No one has the guts to try it
What a bunch of wimps we have.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:47 PM
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24. Add the time used by the House and the Senate
Consider that Starr already had the case(such as it was).

Obama is not in the House. Neither he or Clinton can make impeachment happen.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:07 PM
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35. Yes, I realize that neither Obama or Hillary are in the House & they can't make impeachment happen
The least they could do is support the idea of it, but noooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, they're both a couple of politial wimps when it comes to holding Bush accountable for his crimes against humanity.

Either one of them will make a decent president, but neither one of them has the guts and conviction of people like John F Kennedy and Dennis Kucinich.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 08:52 PM
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36. I fear he won't bother to investigate this crime family once he takes office either.
The notion of putting a former US president in jail is too strong a deterrent for right minded people to do the right thing. It is easier to let it all get lost in the memory hole.

Nixon ..... Reagan ....... Bush I ......... how's that memory hole been workin'?
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:21 PM
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15. He's calling for a government takeover by Democrats and those who are willing to work with them
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 06:22 PM by BeyondGeography
Impeachment, which would mobilize our confused and demoralized opponents and is unattainable anyway, is tiny compared with that.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:22 PM
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16. He believes we should vote people out
and impeacment is for "grave grave breaches", not just horrifically bad judgment.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-06-28-obama-impeachment_N.htm

I think this might mean there are too many Democrats who have joined with Bush on too many bad decisions and we'd have to impeach the whole bunch.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:42 PM
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20. Okay, fine, but will he allow the REAL CRIMINALS in this administration to get off scott free?
Is he willing to see prosecutions up to and including the Chimp and His Dick?

Is he willing to have a former US president imprisoned?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:50 PM
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27. He said the AG should continue with investigations
He said he would not personally seek investigations from the White House, but that the AG should continue with investigations wherever they lead. I can't find the article where he says that right now.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:37 PM
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18. Conyers AND Wexler both endorsed Obama......
so it is very possible that they believe that getting Obama into the White House is more effective in getting done what needs to get done than simply having Obama scream this from the sidelines.

Remember that Obama really is the only candidate running that would not be implicated in looking under the rug as to what led us to this war, and who was complicit, i.e., he will be able to advance the argument against the crimes committed that got us into Iraq. The other two had the conflicting intelligence in their access, and yet they chose to give Bush authority to his blank check.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:45 PM
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22. All true, but ......
..... is he willing to do it?

I hear lots of (in my view naive) bipartisanspeak from him. I hear little about accountability and high crimes against the government and against We the People from him.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:48 PM
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25. No he wont, and if your support sees this as a pivotal thing, you may have to support Gravel.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:58 PM
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31. Its not pivotal
I asked a hard question. I asked it repsectfully. I got a lot of snark, a fair bit of vitriol, and even some honest attempts to answer.

I still want to see how people rationalize gleefully supporting someone who shows cowardice when faced with a HUGE issue that a huge majority on DU at one time or another supported - impeaching the Monkey or His Dick.

I've been steadfastly uncommitted in this primary season and am looking for a reason TO support someone ..... not a whole bunch more reasons NOT to support someone.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:04 PM
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34. He's more believable than the other candidates......
in getting it done.

Like I said, who has been leading the Impeachment drive?

Wexler and Conyers.

Who have they endorsed?

Obama

Why is that, you think?

Because he most closely match their ideology.

What is their ideology?

That the constitution is to be protected at all times from all foreign and domestic enemies.

I myself believe you to be a bright man, and therefore you should be able to use your powers of common sense to get you where you need to go.
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Yanez Houston Jordan Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:44 PM
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21. Obama WILL call for impeachment ...
as soon as his bi-partisan committee on compromise agrees that impeachment is the course of action least likely to offend any Republican voters.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:46 PM
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23. Making shit up by giving your hypothetical is supposed to mean something
or are you just playing for laugh?

Hillary and Edwards have not stated anything about impeachment, but what we do know is that each supported this war, with Edwards at the highest degree possible.
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Yanez Houston Jordan Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:51 PM
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28. It's a joke, but -- like most jokes -- it's also a little bit true because Obama wants bi-partisan
compromise on everything.

If elected, Obama would give excellent speeches and otherwise be remembered as the second coming of Jimmy Carter (which is not the worst thing that could ever happen).
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:54 PM
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29. This dog won't hunt.
None of three have called for impeachment.

I wish all three would; but they have not.

Unless you are still supporting Kucinch, you are out of luck like the rest of us.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 06:57 PM
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30. Same reason the rest won't to gain more seats in cnngress and secure the WH, unfortunate but true..
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 06:59 PM by cooolandrew
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:00 PM
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32. So they're all the same?
Edbamaton?
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