WAHHHH!!!!! John Edwards won't let my candidate WIN!

[FlyingSquirrel]

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Grow up. 20% of the country isn't buying the two-person narrative that the media is shoveling into your mouth. We're donating to John Edwards. We're doing this in the expectation that he will be a man of his word and continue to fight for us and for the American People, even those who don't realize that he's fighting for them and who continue to be mesmerized by the mass media, all the way through to the Democratic National Convention.

So quit calling for him to drop out. He won't, not as long as he has the ability to continue and not as long as we continue to donate to his campaign, in greater and greater numbers, to ENABLE him to continue.

The Democratic Party has set the bar at 15% for viability. As long as Edwards can reach that goal, he is by the party's definition viable. Maybe in the future they'll change it, but right now that's the threshold and he's meeting it in most states.

If your candidate is so strong, they should be able to win on their own merit. If either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton went public asking Edwards to drop out, how whiny and weak (or arrogant) would that sound? Think about it.

[SammyWinstonJack]

1. K&R!

:applause:

[robbedvoter]

2. MSM support creates sense of entitlement. I've seen it in 2004 too

but now it's on steroids

[neutron]

74. Edwards wants to cut a deal

and nobody's interested.

[mac56]

78. What are you talking about?!

What kind of deal?

What do you know that the rest of us don't?

[nxylas]

86. I think Hillary's sense of entitlement was already there

It wasn't the MSM that made her think that she was entitled to the presidency.

[CherylK]

96. True

Good point.

[SoFlaJet]

3. I've switched to Obama from Edwards

because he gives me that feeling of chills on my arms-like I used to get from other great democrats-Bill Clinton in '92 and Bobby Kennedy in 68 and JFK when I was a boy

[SammyWinstonJack]

10. Funny that, Edwards gives me chills. Just listening too him, gives me goose bumps.

[BlackVelvet04]

20. Please tell me

you're kidding.

[SammyWinstonJack]

23. Right?

:crazy:

[BlackVelvet04]

24. Huh? n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

33. Switched to Obama from Edwards.

:crazy: imo.

[BlackVelvet04]

35. Yeah, I don't get it.....

I never voted chills before. I usually go to the doctor for those.

[MissDeeds]

43. I had the chills recently

Doctor said it was the flu

[pauldg0]

52. Switched to the man who talks hope without a plan...........

...either a plant or just a whinnee quiter.

bye bye ...............

[cottonseed]

103. The plans are all fairly similar...

I've looked at all their plans and for Edwards (for which I'm a supporter) there's not a hell of a lot of difference between either of the candidate's positions. Until Edwards calls for increasing the top marginal tax rates into the 70% range we'll start talking about 2 Americas. Otherwise, I think latching onto the Obama is a "shadow of a man" narrative is unfair and just lazy.

[Rockholm]

79. Obama gives me chills too, like when I am about to hurl.

The ONLY candidate that has done that truthfully is Edwards. I am now supporting Hillary, that "could" revert back to Edwards. Obama is nothing but air.

[Mark D.]

89. With All Due Respect

Chills? Because he's a good speech reader? We saw a good speech reader get (s)elected in 2000 and the rest is history. What better way to get Republican-lite installed if the one they really want, who will likely be nominated for the GOP (Romney) doesn't win? Put it behind a black man's face...

I am so sick of people supporting Obama's for his color or his great speeches. Debate 'uh,uh,uhs' show me he has issues when not scripted and little to back up his lofty non-specifics. He's good at exciting people with little detail, and is just too corporate friendly. If folks would stop getting so 'wowed' by his prepared speeches and pay attention, they'd see gross shortfalls & right leaning.

[ChiciB1]

92. You Said It!! And The REAL Problem Here Is That He Doesn't Seem

able to talk "off the cuff" WITHOUT a speech writer!! John Edwards HAS no speech write, and THAT says a LOT MORE to me that a "scripted" candidate.

As I've said so many time before... MSM talked the talk last time out that Americans chose The Idiot because he was a man THEY felt comfortable enough to have a "beer" with... THIS time out it's about Obama's GREAT speeches!! When will Americans EVER wake up??

I haven't even turned my PC on for a couple of days, can't stand the CRAP being pushed in my face! All of my family have voted for Edwards here in Florida and that's the END of the line for us.

If either of the other two are the nominee... THAT'S it!! We're done with the political process, because it's NOT a process ANYMORE... IT'S what THE POWERS THAT BE have chosen for the citizen, and I believe in my heart that they will "FIX" the results not matter what!

We as a Nation have been led by the nose for so long, we no longer even recognize.... JUST MHO!!!

[RaleighNCDUer]

94. Uh, ya know, when a person is saying 'Uh, uh," while speaking

it's a clear indication that they are actually THINKING about what they are saying. Any speech coach will tell you that - it's a matter of cognition, a place-filler while searching for the proper word or phrase that will say exactly what you mean to say.

A person who never uses a place filler (which can also be an extended pause, as John in wont to do) is a person who is not fully thinking about what was asked - using a canned answer that doesn't seem to relate to the question (ever see that before?) - or what he/she is saying.

I can fault Obama for a number of things, but not for his speaking style.

[RaleighNCDUer]

93. A bunch a people are dissing you for that, but I, still an Edwards

guy, agree. Obama is an amazing public speaker, with a prepared text. Not quite so good extemporaneously as John is - as a trial lawyer he needed to learn to speak on his feet - but several of Obama's speeches put me in mind of Bobby Kennedy.

I'd love to see a Edwards/Obama ticket; I could happily support it the other way, too.

[cali]

4. waaah yourself. there are a handful of clinton and obama posters

and it's a very small number- who think JE should drop out but this is the second whiny Edwards supporter post about it. Fucking get used to JE being criticized like the others. He's not a plaster saint.

Personally, I support his doing whatever he wants- staying in, getting out, whatever. I think he's got every right to do that, and if people want to support him, that's their business too. I could frankly care less. He's not driving anything and he won't win.

[MNDemNY]

6. As long as he keeps getting delegates, BHO, and HRC

will not get enough. Then who's "driving"?

[LittleClarkie]

7. At the least he might have a role in the convention

Somehow I think that would be nice for a change, not knowing the nominee until the convention, like it used to be. I sort of missed the convention haggling that used to happen. I suppose that's kinda dumb. But I do.

[MNDemNY]

13. Deadlocked convention could yield AL GORE!!!

[blondeatlast]

81. You aren't alone. I miss that drama, I really do. I barely watched the 2004 convention. nt

[cali]

22. not true. one or the other could get enough with JE

picking up delegates. And there are many states where he isn't reaching the 15% threshold. He really isn't driving the debate or the election. It's possible he could surprise, but he hasn't yet.

[FlyingSquirrel]

36. He's reaching it in at least 11 of 19 states polled, and close to it in

the rest (within margin of error in all but one - Connecticut - which has the second-fewest delegates of recently polled states.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4253203

Thanks for giving me the idea of researching and posting this latest info

:thumbsup:

[nvme]

65. 19% of those polled

BWahhaha we see right the polls are. I prefer to look at votes.

[cascadiance]

58. And if that's the case, then what have we lost?...

If a person gets a majority despite John Edwards running, then that same person will get a majority without him running. What's DIFFERENT is that he can affect change by being the power broker if there's a split convention. And THEN we get more say in what's going on as progressives! That's why it would be frickin' STUPID and disengenuous of him to pull out right now.

[blondeatlast]

82. May this middle aged Dem just say--AAAmen! that's the idea, precisely. nt

[FlyingSquirrel]

9. If you're not calling for him to drop out then this is not directed at you

But I'm seeing several threads to this effect hit the greatest page, and at least one of them has a significant number of recs.

[ozone_man]

38. It looks like you're one of those few.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4012517

Locked! :rofl:

[pauldg0]

62. He'll win...

..and drive stake right through your candidates sneaky crooked little heart.

He's going to make it tough for you buddy!! Watch out !!! You'll be a blogging tired man by the time John has had it with you and your other crooked corporate republican.

[mrbluto]

69. Not doing Edwards supporters any favors.

Not with the tone of your post.

And I am an Edwards supporter.

Think of it this way - after months of O & H and their supporters sniping at each other Edwards, and hopefully his supporters, will be a breath of fresh air because we actually focused on the issues that matter. If we can go into the convention with that sort of stance then either Edwards will have a lot of clout regarding the platform, or perhaps even win the nomination should it wind up being brokered.

If you're a Hillary supporter and Obama supporters have been dissing your candidate then who will you throw support to if it's clear you're not going to get your first choice?

Flip that for an Obama supporter.

In both cases it's John Edwards.

Hell the answer for many more rational Republicans who are sick of this administration the answer is John Edwards.

So I encourage you to tone it down on the divisive mode.

[pauldg0]

75. Your right.!!!............

...caught up in the heat of it sometime.............
..your looking at a unemployed engineer grasping at straws..after seeing what O & H last week, we did some catching up. I hope that can resume.....Have been giving all I can afford to Edwards.

O.K. I enjoy these blogs and would like to make a difference.

[mrbluto]

114. The Voldemorte Factor

I know what you mean. ("heat of the moment")

The thing I get very pissed about is the "Voldemort" factor. (Voldemorte from the Harry Potter books)

What do I mean?

It seems that Edwards is the Candidate-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named.

Or given anything approaching fair coverage.

Here's a bit of my take on that in an example of it here on this forum:

Clinton or Obama?

BTW: Unemployed engineer? How dare you do work that actually builds or fixes things - why aren't you churning money around in the finance "Industry", or "Real" Estate? Or "manufacturing" burgers? Or joining our new servitude service economy?

That's the Future!

[cottonseed]

104. Agreed

I'm an Edwards supporter moving towards Obama for tactical reasons. I see no reason however that Edwards should drop out of the race. He should stay until the voters and not the press cut the life lines.

[avaistheone1]

5. Edwards still could take the presidency. His numbers continue to rise

Edwards favorables keep going up and he keeps adding new donors to his campaign.

[SammyWinstonJack]

14. Yes!

[balantz]

21. Hell yes!

I haven't given up in the least for an Edwards nomination!

[pauldg0]

53. Brava.........

..we love donors, and more donor, keep piling them on.

Obama and Hillary are empty talkers and Edwards sees that. Of a matter of fact we all see it and our numbers are slowly going.

Somehow we have to get through to the young ones who will really give John strength.

I donated another $50 bucks today.

[pauldg0]

54. John..........

.......some way we have to get the uninformed informed. Once his message is heard, he's got you!!
Obama, puts the young ones in a charismatic manipulation, but says nothing.

Lets wake those people up !!!!

BBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM !!!!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKkkkEEEE---------UUUUUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPPPP !!!!

[redqueen]

8. Ah, but it'll just keep happening.

I fully expect to see the "he has no chance" "he should drop out" "why are you supporters not supporting my candidate" threads on a very regular basis until the convention.

And why not... they're very persuasive! :crazy:

[SammyWinstonJack]

16. They are hopeful but not persuasive!

:evilgrin: I am in this for the long haul as is Edwards! I won't give up on him and he won't give up on us!

[Triana]

11. Exactamundo...

..if HillBama are so stong and wunderbar - they don't need to worry about Edwards - he should be no threat to them.

SOME of us - those who haven't swallowed the media jizz like a Monica - KNOW THE DIFFERENCE between *symbolic* change and REAL substantial change we need in he way our government is run - regardless if it comes from the office of a woman, white or black guy, or whoever.

FOR THE REST OF US - the race is colorblind and genderblind - we don't get all mesmerized by the two "novelty" (ie: nouveau) candidates who the media is all swooning over just because they look different.

WE WANT SOMEONE WHO WILL ACTUALLY GOVERN DIFFERENTLY - we want SUBSTANCE - and we don't CARE what he or she looks like or if she is a he or vice-versa.

We WANT the best person for the job. IF we are to EVER save this country FOR THE PEOPLE then that nominee MUST be someone who is NOT IN BED with those corporations and their lobbyists who have had a chokehold on our gov't via K-street and all the back-scratching and quid-pro-quo.

ONE LOOK at where the funding of the two frontrunning candidates tell us that that NEITHER OF THEM are that nominee.

ONLY John Edwards fits that bill.

This whole RUSE plays DIRECTLY into the fact that Americans are TOO EASILY DISTRACTED by big shiny heavily-hyped objects instead of paying attention to REAL issues and what's IMPORTANT.

DON'T BELIEVE FOR A MOMENT that the corporate entities who control our media (as well as our government) are not aware of that either. THEY ARE. And they are using our own penchant for distraction AGAINST US in order to choose our candidates FOR US.

And OF COURSE they will promote the ones WHO BENEFIT THEM (not us) the most. And that's exactly what they're doing and we are falling for it here - hook, line, and sinker.

American Priorities == fucked.

I don't expect American voters will get any CLUES this election since they haven't in many previous ones - or that they will see that their own weaknesses are being used AGAINST them - in order to get them to vote AGAINST their own best interests - and to instead vote in the best interests of the corporations who own and control this country, its government, and its media lock, stock, and barrel.

GOT CLUES?

Probably not.

Whatever. Pffft!

[balantz]

17. My thoughts exactly!

[The Wizard]

83. The media swoons

over those who raise the most money (usually corporate)as they see the candidates with the most cash spending it on media that is usually turned off with the TV remote. Political TV advertising is from the last century. The only ads most people watch are the ones supporting the candidates they're going to vote for.
The political landscape has become so polarized that seeing candidates from the opposite party has us ready to puke.
The day of the political TV ad influencing the vote is over. Joe Trippi and Howard Dean seized the new media (the Internet)in 04, and the corporate media is hanging on in any way possible. Obama and Hillary may be the last vestiges of the 20th Century campaign model.
The Swift Boat veteran attacks on John Kerry were successful because the Republican handmaidens in the corporate media played the ads continuously as news. In essence, the corporate media gave free, and more effective, advertising to the Republican candidate who promised to make them all that much more powerful.
Highway billboards and billboards hauled on flatbed trailers may be more effective as the TV remote doesn't work on them. With our ever shrinking attention span, the 30 second sound bite is headed for History's dust bin unless there is some mention of Britney Spears panties or American Idol.
For now, the Republicans have a firm grip on the great dumbing down, as they've successfully exploited those whose ability to critically think has been compromised.
It took them 40 years of a concerted effort and relentless propagandizing, even to the point of having their own TV network, to crap all over the working class.
The problem is that we in the reality based community do not appeal to the worst fears and lowest instincts of the American voter.
I only offer observations. The solutions come from those smarter than I.

[LisaM]

12. As long as he continues to debate, progressive issues will do better

If it is a brokered convention (which I hope it is), then I hope Edwards gets the voice he deserves - not to mention that he should help the platform swing a little to the left.

I really like Edwards as a candidate, but none of them gives me chills. Hillary is kind of strident, Obama, in his latest speeches, has the cadence of an evangelical minister (which may appeal to some but completely turns me off), and Edwards says great things but lacks a little verve (though he is improving in that regard).

It worries me that people are getting so excited at this point. I want them to still be excited (no matter whom the nominee is) in November, and I don't know that we can trust the attention span of the American public!

(An aside - I have been chided by a couple of Obama voters to change my vote - not so with the Hillary voters I know).

[KittyWampus]

15. God. Edwards' supporters are so thin-skinned. Exactly HOW many here are calling for him

to drop out?

That's right, not many.

Any those that hold that opinion have a right to it.

[LittleClarkie]

19. (peter.puma) Oh, two or three (/peter.puma)

Sorry, had a cartoon moment there for a second.

[pauldg0]

63. sounds like your losing it.......

[FlyingSquirrel]

25. Here are a few of the latest threads calling for him to drop out:

Edwards and His Advisors Admit They Are Now Trying To Create A Brokered Convention

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4240003


John Edwards = Ralph Nader

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4232236


In stronger terms, now: If Edwards does not drop out, Clinton is much more likely to win

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4239121


Alright, time to come to terms with reality, Edwards supporters.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4227015


John Edwards is losing my vote ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4216537


(Last one calls for him to make it clear that he'll support Obama, otherwise the OP'er won't support him any more.)

I shall leave it to the gentle reader to find the myriad of single comments within other posts suggesting the same thing.

[desertflamingo]

72. exactly.

thanks for the work.

EDWARDS '08

[erebusman]

91. great job documenting the bs

It gets my goat to see people trying to narrow the debate in a primary.

There is really no benefit to narrowing the field in primaries. Once the general election comes the cheer-leaders will have their pom-poms out and can begin their mantra of "whoever and soandso 2008" ad naseum ... until then lets perhaps enjoy the chance we have to participate in something that bears a closer resemblance to actual democracy perhaps yes???

peace

[desertflamingo]

71. you're kidding, right?

:wtf: it's a constant from the big baby hillary and obamarama supporters. give me a break. yeah, they have a right to it, but we also have a right to support our candidate at least until we have a chance to FREAKING VOTE FOR HIM IN THE PRIMARIES!!

jeez.

EDWARDS '08

[itsrobert]

18. Kool-Aid is not my cup of tea

Go Edwards!

[MissDeeds]

44. High five, Robert!

:hi:

[sniffa]

26. Nice

A childish thread to bash, I guess, other childish threads. :thumbsup:

[FlyingSquirrel]

27. True.

Guess I didn't add too much to the conversation. But it felt good!

:hippie:

[Yael]

28. Kickity kick and adding a rec

:hi: FlyingSquirrel

[jackson_dem]

29. Edwards will shut them up on Super Tuesday!

[bajamary]

30. Just voted for Edwards here in Chicago

Boy, the MSM and, sadly, many others actually believe this Democratic race is a choice between the woman and the bi-racial junior Senator from my state.

So adding insult to, well INSULT, now we hear MSM, and even folks here on Du saying that Edwards (and his supporters) are "spoiling" the Democratic primary race.

Oh, what a sad democracy we've all created. But I'm staying all the way (and continuing to contribute) to the only Progressive with a plan - John Edwards.

I just voted for John Edwards here in Chicago !!!!

[Blue-Jay]

31. That's a bold statement.

[Tulkas]

32. Grow up. 20% of the country isn't buying the two-person narrative

so 80% is???

do the math

[FlyingSquirrel]

37. Apparently 80% of those who are voting for mainstream candidates are -

What exactly was your point? That 80% of the people cannot be wrong? I don't even think I need to link to the many times 80% of the American public had a particular view which has since been completely invalidated.

[OzarkDem]

34. Concern for "straw men" candidates

My major concern is letting corporate America choose two front running candidates who they finance heavily through the primaries, then drop like a hot potato once the GE begins.

[babsbunny]

39. He is the only one who can beat the Repubs!

What are the Democrats thinking? Oh yeah, they aren't!

[Truth2Tell]

40. Whhaaaaa!

Why won't he just drop out?!! BooHoooo!



:rofl: :rofl:

[CorpGovActivist]

41. Already Rec'd...

... but I thought we should all shed ourselves another Clinton Crocodile Tear.

- Dave

[Alexander]

42. I have no problem with Edwards staying in, even though it looks grim for him.

I also would not mind him as Attorney General.

[BrklynLiberal]

45. K & R

[2hip]

46. When Clinton and Obama finally stop trying to destroy each other

John Edwards will be the only one left standing.


KEEP THE MOMENTUM GOING!

New Grassroots Fund Drive—Wednesday, January 30th
(Please give this link a kick for John!)

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

47. Here's another native Chicagoan that fully intends to vote

for John Edwards. Hopefully tomorrow or Wednesday, we'll get to the Village Hall to cast our votes for John Edwards and Mark Pera, who is running in the Democratic primary against Bush Dog Dan Lipinski.

I don't expect John to win the Illinois primary, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him pick up a few delegates.

I hope and pray Mark Pera beats Lipinski. The winner of the Democratic primary is a sure winner in November.

[waiting for hope]

48. FlyingSquirrel -

That was well said, passionate and worthy of a Kick and a Rec!

Thank you.

:bounce: :kick: :woohoo: :bounce: :kick: :woohoo: :bounce: :kick: :woohoo: :bounce: :kick: :woohoo: :bounce: :kick: :woohoo: :bounce: :kick: :woohoo: :bounce: :kick: :woohoo: :bounce: :kick: :woohoo: :bounce: :kick: :woohoo: :bounce: :kick: :woohoo:

[foxer]

49. All we have to do is tell the general public that if they vote JRE...

The non-stop campaign ads won't start for six more months, we'd have a LANDSLIDE. I personally don't think I could stand 10 months of campaign during a writers strike.

[flyarm]

50. 3 votes today for Edwards in Florida from my family!.and many more from my friends in Dem Party! eom

[ChiciB1]

90. Ten More From MY Family... By Absentee! n/t

[Gloria]

51. Obama, the new Bill Clinton...Big change??? Yeah, right!

He's known about the strategy of bargaining since the age of 14, as Shelby Steele, biographer, discussed yesterday.

Quoted Obama: "if you're not angry, they'll like you..."

Yup, another one who wants to be LIKED...Sound familiar????

Yeah, we NEED another "bargainer" now...bargain over what?? We've given away the store already...

We need a FIGHTER...and that fighter is JOHN EDWARDS!

[ClericJohnPreston]

55. I gladly

:kick: & R

because I'm with John Edwards all the way to the Convention!

[NashVegas]

56. K & R!

Baby!

[The River]

57. Best Damned Collection

of clear thinking, well written and righteously PO'd
posts all week!

The road to Denver is long Grasshopper
and future is not yet written.

[Phred42]

59. GE Anoints Obama & MCCain

After the SOTU tonight, and after the Dem response, MSNBC had two guests
Obama and McCain.

Mathews lead the McCain 'interview' and Olbermann lead the Obama interview. Both were fluff pieces. Mathews was again that hard nippled high school cheerleader for McCAin that we saw in 2000, 2004 and 'Mission Accomplished' when he push Bush down our throats.

Clinton was mentioned in passing and Edwards wasn't mentioned.

GE has now chosen our Candidates.

I didn't see what happened on CNN and I don't care what happened on FOX. Maybe someone can fill me in.


Sorry kids - Grandpa McCain is a waste of time and Obama simply does not give me hop or inspire me. We are screwed.

[7horses]

60. John Edwards...

is not going to drop out. So they can cry and whine all they want. Go John go!!!

[Orwellian_Ghost]

61. Trimming the sails

for the corporation.

K&R

[havocmom]

64. Looking at the whole pie, JE has some available delegates to work for

[Iwillnevergiveup]

66. A big K&R

and another donation.

[mondo joe]

67. K&R from a Hillary supporter. JE should stay in the race a long as he's able.

So should the other two. It's a fucking election - let's keep the choices on the table.

[Yossariant]

80. Agree. Stay in the race.

[midnight]

68. I'm with John Edwards.....

[krabigirl]

70. Yes! Go Edwards!

[Guaranteed]

73. FOR, ON THE MORROW, WE DIE!!!

YEAAARGGH!!








......Stupid.

[Seabiscuit]

76. Maybe we should all start a heap of threads demanding Obama drop out.

Give these disgusting Obamanoid assholes a taste of their own medicine.

[FlyingSquirrel]

77. Now, now..... be nice.

We may soon be Obamans too y'know.

;)

Sure hope not though.

[Apollo11]

87. I sense anger

"disgusting Obamanoid assholes"

What - you mean me? :eyes:

[cottonseed]

105. That's pretty rough.

Obama is a Democratic isn't he? He's also got the best progressive rankings of all the candidates up to this point. I like Edwards, but anyone aligning with Obama is an a-hole?

[Seabiscuit]

111. IOW, you approve of all the Obamanoid threads demanding Edwards drop out. Check.

But you don't approve of anyone posting the exact same thing about Obama.

Check.

Just checking.

[cottonseed]

113. No checks.

I understand the frustration. I see the meaning in your post. I don't approve of anyone demanding our candidates dropping out.

[Pacifist Patriot]

84. The American need for polarization is fascinating to me as well as frustrating.

I've said this several times in a number of threads lately and no one seems to want to bite. Why is it that Americans see pluralism and coalition building as anathema to democracy? Can we not weigh more than two options in our minds at a time? Sorry but this smacks of black/white, us/them, either/or thinking that will forever prevent us from creatively solving problems and transforming our society. Couldn't agree with you more.

[jsivie]

85. ...

I cant stand Edwards. Now that Kucinich is out and endorsing Ron Paul, I think I might do the same

[Mark D.]

95. What?

Kucinich is not endorsing Ron Paul. He's made clear he's not going to endorse anyone in the primary season. Lastly a corporate-liberal libertarian Republican like Ron Paul. Yeah, bring back all of the good protections of the constitution and end the war, that we agree on. But the vitriolic and very invasive hatred of Roe Vs. Wade, eliminating minimum wage, labor laws & protections, regulations to protect the environment, and tax on the super rich who make billions in investing, oh, and no kind of national health care for anyone, ever, Ron Paul thinks we have too much already. No thank you.

[jsivie]

98. ...

Kucinich flirted with the idea of running with Ron Paul, they are both good friends. Yeah they disagree with each other on certain issues, but both are men of integrity and care about preserving the constitution and protecting civil liberties. These are guys who have stood firm in their beliefs throughout their career, unlike that weasely, pandering, slick trial lawyer who decided that its politically convenient to engage in class warfare.

[kenfrequed]

101. so...

You are either a DLCer that dislikes liberals and progressives...

Or you might be some kind of republican here to stir up crap.

Or you are someones Damned pet sock puppet.

[jsivie]

107. ...

Or I am someone who agrees with the Democrats on the War and Civil Liberty issues, but I dont agree that we should become the nanny welfare state that John Edwards has planned.

[kenfrequed]

99. Uhm...

I call "Shinnanigans"

Your post is full of it. Kucinich NEVER endorsed Ron Paul. Stop trying to screw with us progressive voters with your stupid internet tricks. I mean it is clear to me you aren't really a Kucinich supporter. If you said you were going to back Edwards, or run off to the greens it would have been a more believable lie.

[Tarc]

88. Well, I am a Hillary supporter and I certainy want Edwards to stay in it

20% is nothing to sneeze at...we're not talking about a below-the-Mendoza-line candidate like Kucinich or Gravel here. John Edwards has every right o stay in the game as long as the numbers stay up.

[Dinger]

97. Damn Right! K & R (nt)

[MaryRN]

100. K&R - great post.

[cyclezealot]

102. The media is the dictorial force.

its 15 percent or else a candidate gets muzzled. First it takes money to get a voice. If you don't have enough for the expensive media wars the corportarist will out spend you by , you are screwed. The 15 percent is the number of votes it takes to get a delegate elected. what , edwards is polling 22% . That is close to the 15% cut off mark, NBC, MSNBC sets. Expect Wolf Blitzer to soon say, Shut up John.

[Seabiscuit]

106. I can't believe I haven't already kicked this thread. KUDOS!

Oh, I get it. I wandered in here earlier, read it, hit the "recommend" button and forgot to post something.

[Midwest Progressive]

108. It's legitimate to wonder why he hasn't dropped out

He really hasn't been terribly competitive. He could be angling for the Veep or another job.

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

109. Right on!!

since Kucinich is off the list, then it's now Edwards ( President John Edwards does sound good!)

[Deep13]

110. I like Edwards.

:shrug:

[FlyingSquirrel]

112. I can't believe all the recs this thread got...

It was just supposed to be a little flamer to get this off my chest. Actually kind of thought it might get locked right away. I felt a bit guilty after posting it when the recs started mounting... a pleasurable guilt, but guilt nonetheless. 'Cause now I had kind of turned into the same thing that was bugging me about GDP. And I really don't want myself or other Edwards supporters to end up sinking down in the mud like many in the other two (main) camps.

But dang it, quit saying he should drop out!

:D