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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:24 PM
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Some thoughts on the Kennedy endorsements
I have always loved Teddy Kennedy.

I love the way, when everyone was turning Republican, that saying his name caused the people with whom I discussed politics to turn red and spit and sputter, and have their neck veins bulge. The argument is always won when you can get people to lose control so easily. It made me say his name with pride, because he always made me proud, at a time society told me I was supposed to be ashamed to be a liberal.

I love how, even when a cause was lost, Teddy would stand up on the floor of the Senate and roar with moral outrage - effectively pointing out how dealmaking forced you to sell little pieces of your soul. And how a with a "nay" you could make a point, make a stand - even when you knew it was fruitless.

I love how there is never a question whether or not the good Senators from Massachusetts would be on the correct side of an issue.

And I loved to hear the man speak. What a gift.

I am not yet an Obama supporter, but while watching Teddy's endorsement, I cried. Like I haven't cried in a long time. Not just what Senator Kennedy said, but how Barak honored him and his family. Senator Obama could have made this about him - and I think that would have bothered me - but he was (correctly) humbled by the Kennedy family, by the force they are, and the inspiration they gave (and still give) us. By living what they speak.

I am still crying, thinking how much that family gave for this country. The lives of so many sons.

Thank you Joseph and Rose, for your gift to the United States of America.



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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:27 PM
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1. Well said.............nt
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:30 PM
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2. Your post made me tear up (again).
Obama was very humbled and did not make it about him. Did you hear what he said about his father and JFK?

Obama's Kenyan grandmother gave him about 30 letters his father wrote to colleges in the USA, trying to get accepted to come to school here. As a senator JFK spearheaded a bill giving grants to young people in foreign countries so they could study in the US. Obama's father got one of those grants, even got transportation through the Kennedy Foundation, came here and met Obama's mother.

Now I don't subscribe to fate and all that stuff, but if it wasn't for JFK's efforts Obama wouldn't be here.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:31 PM
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3. What a lovely post, FLDem5. Thank you for honoring this family
that has given so much.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:32 PM
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4. What a wonderful photo!
I haven't yet seen Kennedy's endorsement, but I will watch it, just to see Ted Kennedy.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:33 PM
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5. Thank you for that nice post...
...and for that wonderful picture. Wow. It's hard to put into words what
that picture evokes.

That's neat that you were so moved by today's endorsements by the Kennedys.

You are right. The Kennedys have sacrificed so much--including their own
children--for public service. They are on the right side of the issue
too. Trying to make the world a better place, and serving humanity.

I cried too...

After so many years of this BushCo nightmare, I finally feel like I can exhale. It's
been a trauma. All of this is a reminder that we are in the processing of ushering
in new leadership in our government. I think many of us have been mortified by
what Bush has done to us. Each day seemed to bring another offense, the next more
offensive than the last.

All of this hoopla today reminds us that we're nearing the end. No matter which
Dem you support--that's a good thing for all of us. I'm an Obama supporter, but
you don't have to support Obama to be moved by the Kennedys.

What a nice post you wrote.

:)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:36 PM
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6. FLDem5, you are not alone in being touched......
In my consistency to elect a leader with the idea of speaking to all Americans, who saw the Iraq war for what it was from the beginning, I also see the torch having been passed from Wes Clark to Obama regardless of Clark's early endorsement to Hillary Clinton.

Because of Clark's ties to the Clintons by way of Arkansas, his generous loyalty, and his wanting to back someone he thought could win in order that he could make a difference, he backed Hillary. However, I believe in my hearts of hearts that Wes Clark is very proud of Obama and would do all that he could to be of assistance to an Obama administration.

I hear more of Wes in Obama than I do in Hillary...whether on Iraq, on Iran, and on the use of Diplomacy done in a bold way.

Obama is also the President we were promised as Kids, and he has a better chance to get there than Wes ever had.

Obama has said that he wants a VP that would know how the Pentagon works in an interview. In addition, Obama explicitly stated that his Veep would most likely be a retired military person.

If Obama gains the nomination, Wes Clark would be there for him, if asked.

That's why I will remain consistent in the qualities that I find important in a President; prescience and wisdom in the face of opposition.



Delivered on 26 October 2002 at an anti-war rally

I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear – I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.

He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn’t simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.

The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not – we will not – travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech






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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 04:52 PM
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11. would Obama consider Clark?
I would love that.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:37 PM
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7. Yes.
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 03:38 PM by GalleryGod


"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die ! "
Senator Kennedy, DNC, August 12th, 1980

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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:38 PM
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8. I teared up too.
I worked for Rob't Kennedy's campaign in Oregon and California... and have told some of those same stories to my three sons.

I was moved much closer to feeling wholehearted support for Obama, eventhough I've been a Kucinich/Edwards supporter up until
seeing Sen. Ted Kennedy's endorsement speech, and Barak's humble comments afterwards.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:51 PM
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9. I was either crying, or on the verge of tears through the entire thing.
Starting with Caroline's Speech, to Teddy's - and then listening to Obama speak of them. I'm too young to fully appreciate "camelot", but I'm old enough to appreciate what the Kennedy's have given back to this country through their hard work and support of the people that some would easily forget otherwise.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:48 PM
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12. I just spoke with my mom, and she was tearing up on the phone just discussing
the speeches.

I love feeling hopeful.
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clarence swinney Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:59 PM
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10. FLDEM5
Thanks.

Great Family

Differences

Kennedy Family used wealth to help others

Bush family used wealth for more wealth

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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 08:21 PM
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13. the Kennedys also inspired people to just do the right thing,
be it in your neighborhood, or by traveling with the Peace Corps.

Give back.

Take advantage.


Two more important differences.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 08:24 PM
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14. Your first lines, is exactly what my husband said to me
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 08:25 PM
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15. I have always loved the Kennedy's..
I disagree with them on this one..but I still love them..
JFK rocked!
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